Gay Marriage - What's the Problem?

[thepastrychef]

I have sent this exact request to several religious organizations and have yet to hear any kind of explanation. Please, someone explain this to me. I am listening. Ernie

Please explain to me why these 28 Bible verses are conveniently brushed aside, but Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 are considered absolute Biblical Law.

All quotes are from various versions of The Old and The New Testament

Mark 10:1-12 New Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Old If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Leviticus 20:18 Old If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.

Leviticus 20:10 Old If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

Leviticus 21:9 Old A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Deuteronomy 23:2 Old One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.

Leviticus 20:27 Old A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.

1 Timothy 2:11-14 New A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 New Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Proverbs 20:30 Old Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.

Proverbs 23:13-14 Old Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.

Leviticus 20:9 Old For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.

Exodus 21:15 Old Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.

James 5:14-15 New Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him.

Leviticus 19:27 Old Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Leviticus 11:7 Old…and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:10 Old But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.

Leviticus 11:11 Old They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.

Leviticus 11:12 Old Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.

Homosexuals ??? 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4 Old And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

Homosexuals ??? 2 Samuel 1:26 Old I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.

1 Timothy 6:1 New All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

Matthew 10:24 New A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master.

1 Peter 2:18 New Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Ephesians 6:5 New Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Colossians 3:22 New Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Leviticus 25:44-45 Old Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Exodus 21:20-21 Old When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

 

[NotWorthy]

I have sent this exact request to several religious organizations and have yet to hear any kind of explanation. Please, someone explain this to me. I am listening. Ernie

Please explain to me why these 28 Bible verses are conveniently brushed aside, but Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 are considered absolute Biblical Law.

All quotes are from various versions of The Old and The New Testament

Mark 10:1-12 New Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.

The Catholic Church still teaches this. I’m not sure why others don’t

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Old If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Leviticus 20:18 Old If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.

Leviticus 20:10 Old If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

Leviticus 21:9 Old A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Deuteronomy 23:2 Old One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.

Leviticus 20:27 Old A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.

The last I checked, these were Mosaic Ritual Laws. The Church is not bound by these ritual Laws, only the Moral Laws (the 10 Commandments).

1 Timothy 2:11-14 New A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 New Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

These are Disciplinary Rules. They can be changed. Simply look at Acts 15, where James issued the Noahide Laws and in Galations (chapter 2?), we see that these laws are lifted.

Disciplinary Rules are necessary in certain places and in certain times, but are not considered dogmatic (unchanging).

Proverbs 20:30 Old Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.

Proverbs 23:13-14 Old Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.

These are proverbs, not laws. They are good for learning, but they are not morally binding, from what I understand.

Leviticus 20:9 Old For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.

Exodus 21:15 Old Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.

Mosaic Ritual Law. The last I checked, I wasn’t Jewish!

James 5:14-15 New Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him.

This is the Sacrament of the Annointing of the Sick. It’s been around the Church for ,oh, almost 2000 years!

Continued…

 

[NotWorthy]

Leviticus 19:27 Old Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Leviticus 11:7 Old…and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:10 Old But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.

Leviticus 11:11 Old They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.

Leviticus 11:12 Old Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.

Have you read what Jesus says about clean and unclean foods? These Ritual Laws are not binding on Christians.

Homosexuals ??? 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4 Old And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

What does this have to do with homosexuality. Do you know why all this happened, or are you just cutting and pasting a little snippet and declaring “Gay Alert! Gay Alert!”

Homosexuals ??? 2 Samuel 1:26 Old I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.

I guess you’re going to say that Jesus’ teaching on “Love one another” is promoting the gay agenda? I think you’re reading (or cutting and pasting) more into this than there is.

1 Timothy 6:1 New All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

Ok… what’s wrong with this. Do you understand slavery back then, or are you blinded by the blight that was on Africans in recent centuries.

Matthew 10:24 New A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master.

1 Peter 2:18 New Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Ephesians 6:5 New Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Colossians 3:22 New Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

I don’t see anything in there that is a problem. What problem do you have with this.

Leviticus 25:44-45 Old Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Exodus 21:20-21 Old When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Mosaic Ritual Laws. You’ll have to ask our friends, the Jews, about these.

 

[NotWorthy]

But to your point, the problem with Gay Marriage is that God, and His Church, condemn the practice of homosexual acts as sinful. If two people want all the secular rights of married couples, that’s one thing (personally, I don’t have a problem with that).

But I oppose someone trying to change the Church’s 2000 year teaching just to appease their conscience. And I question whether that is really their intentions (the clearing of said conscience).

 

[Tom]

First, welcome to the forum.

I have sent this exact request to several religious organizations and have yet to hear any kind of explanation. Please, someone explain this to me. I am listening. Ernie

Ernie, if you’ve not gotten any answers, it’s probably because no one knows what you’re asking! Where are these verses “brushed aside”? Where does any NT verse infer homosexual relations are permitted? Let’s look at the verses and you tell me where any are "brushed aside.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Old If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What does that have to do with:
www.drbo.org:

Leviticus 18, 2 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20,13 If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them.

Answer, nothing! Dt 22 does not even address the same subject. Are you just throwing out verses in hopes it will be too much to respond to? How does Leviticus brush aside Deuteronomy?

 

[Catholic_Dude]

But to your point, the problem with Gay Marriage is that God, and His Church, condemn the practice of homosexual acts as sinful. If two people want all the secular rights of married couples, that’s one thing (personally, I don’t have a problem with that).

But I oppose someone trying to change the Church’s 2000 year teaching just to appease their conscience. And I question whether that is really their intentions (the clearing of said conscience).

And dont forget the Bible:
1Cor 6 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Soutane]

But to your point, the problem with Gay Marriage is that God, and His Church, condemn the practice of homosexual acts as sinful. If two people want all the secular rights of married couples, that’s one thing (personally, I don’t have a problem with that).

But I oppose someone trying to change the Church’s 2000 year teaching just to appease their conscience. And I question whether that is really their intentions (the clearing of said conscience).

Ultimately they want state mandated and ENFORCED approval.If you disagree with them they will attempt to silence you by calling you a HATER or siccing the “law” on you.We know all about that in my country.

 

[thepastrychef]

Thank you NotWorthy for responding so quickly. I will try to reply to each of your replies in order of submission. I understand that the Catholic Church still teaches that divorce is bad, but it is against the bible. So why is it that those who are divorced are still allowed back into the church? Why is divorce not looked upon as an abomination? I am sure you have plenty of divorced people in your church. Why is it that if your parents kick you out of the house because you are gay they are still allowed back into the church? Why aren’t people more Christ like and stop, talk, listen and assist? Jesus would not applaud a parent who condemns their own child or who divorces would he? As for the Mosaic Law, Disiplinary Rules, Proverbs & Food… It seems very convenient to be able to say “Oh, that one, we don’t do that one.” If it is in the bible then it is in the bible. If the bible says we should just anoint sick people why do we have hospitals? Why don’t we just drive to the closest church instead of messing around with all the science? Regarding my “Gay Alert” I was just reading into what I think the bible is saying just as many people read into the bible and make their own assumptions. I mostly throw that one in just for fun. As for the Slavery, it sounds to me that the bible is suggesting that owning slaves is okay with God. Just before the civil war the South used these exact verses to defend their right to own slaves. If we can change our minds about owning slaves, even though the bible encourages it, then why can we not leave gay people alone to live their lives as they see fit as free Americans? As for appeasing someone’s conscience, we have been doing that since the beginning of the bible. We no longer burn witches in the name of the lord, we don’t beat our children, we don’t hang run away slaves, we don’t have a problem with divorce, we don’t kill women who have given their virginity away prior to marriage and we don’t kill people over adultery. BUT, those gays are wrong and we will not let that go. Gays are Americans and they deserve every right that the Constitution offers, religion has nothing to do with it. The laws of America have over ridden the bible before and the laws of America will do it again regarding Gay Marriage.

 

[Philotheatoo]

And don’t forget the two most important Commandments.

 

[thepastrychef]

Hello TOM, Thank you for the welcome and for the response. So, what are you talking about? I did not say anything about the NT inferring homosexual relations are permitted. I asked why are these 28 brushed aside, as in “ignored”. If we were to practice Dt 22 no one would be put in jail for raping an unmarried woman. There are several things in the bible we do not practice but for some reason religion will not let go of the gay thing. Every gay person I have talked to, seen on TV or read about says the same thing over an over with out fail, “I have always felt this way, ever since I was a child”. If they have always felt that way, if straight couples raise gay children, if gay people are Americans and if gays deserve every right according to our constitution then what is the problem with gay marriage? It will not and has not affected your life in any way what so ever. We have had over 18,000 gay marriages in California and we are doing fine. The hand of the lord did not cast us into the ocean.

 

[buffalo]

Hello TOM, Thank you for the welcome and for the response. So, what are you talking about? I did not say anything about the NT inferring homosexual relations are permitted. I asked why are these 28 brushed aside, as in “ignored”. If we were to practice Dt 22 no one would be put in jail for raping an unmarried woman. There are several things in the bible we do not practice but for some reason religion will not let go of the gay thing. Every gay person I have talked to, seen on TV or read about says the same thing over an over with out fail, “I have always felt this way, ever since I was a child”. If they have always felt that way, if straight couples raise gay children, if gay people are Americans and if gays deserve every right according to our constitution then what is the problem with gay marriage? It will not and has not affected your life in any way what so ever. We have had over 18,000 gay marriages in California and we are doing fine. The hand of the lord did not cast us into the ocean.

They felt that way since childhood because that is when it is thought to happen.

To the other question - the homosexual is intrinsically evil, the others are not.

 

[thepastrychef]

And dont forget the Bible:
1Cor 6 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

I would like to respond to you but what you have said is kind of ridiculous. According to your quote well over 95% of Americans and or people in general are not going to make it to heaven. Therefore, we should all just give up on religion because we are mostly all sinners in one way or another. If you are going to respond please include an original thought.

 

[thepastrychef]

First, welcome to the forum.
Ernie, if you’ve not gotten any answers, it’s probably because no one knows what you’re asking! Where are these verses “brushed aside”? Where does any NT verse infer homosexual relations are permitted? Let’s look at the verses and you tell me where any are "brushed aside.
What does that have to do with:

Answer, nothing! Dt 22 does not even address the same subject. Are you just throwing out verses in hopes it will be too much to respond to? How does Leviticus brush aside Deuteronomy?

I am not sure if you were notified, but I responded to you below. I am new as you know, I still need to figure out how this works.

 

[thepastrychef]

But to your point, the problem with Gay Marriage is that God, and His Church, condemn the practice of homosexual acts as sinful. If two people want all the secular rights of married couples, that’s one thing (personally, I don’t have a problem with that).

But I oppose someone trying to change the Church’s 2000 year teaching just to appease their conscience. And I question whether that is really their intentions (the clearing of said conscience).

I am not sure if you were notified, but I responded to you below. I am new as you know, I still need to figure out how this works.

 

[thistle]

Hello TOM, Thank you for the welcome and for the response. So, what are you talking about? I did not say anything about the NT inferring homosexual relations are permitted. I asked why are these 28 brushed aside, as in “ignored”. If we were to practice Dt 22 no one would be put in jail for raping an unmarried woman. There are several things in the bible we do not practice but for some reason religion will not let go of the gay thing. Every gay person I have talked to, seen on TV or read about says the same thing over an over with out fail, “I have always felt this way, ever since I was a child”. If they have always felt that way, if straight couples raise gay children, if gay people are Americans and if gays deserve every right according to our constitution then what is the problem with gay marriage? It will not and has not affected your life in any way what so ever. We have had over 18,000 gay marriages in California and we are doing fine. ** The hand of the lord did not cast us into the ocean**.

But you will never see Heaven when you die for if you do not repent then you condemn yourselves to Hell forever.

Scripture clearly and unambiguously states that homosexuality is forbidden and that it is an abomination and an affront to God.

Remember God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. Male and female were created to be together and not same sexes.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I would like to respond to you but what you have said is kind of ridiculous. According to your quote well over 95% of Americans and or people in general are not going to make it to heaven. Therefore, we should all just give up on religion because we are mostly all sinners in one way or another. If you are going to respond please include an original thought.

So brush off the clear teaching of Scripture? Is nothing a sin?

 

[fwon2638]

… I will try to reply to each of your replies in order of submission. I understand that the Catholic Church still teaches that divorce is bad, but it is against the bible.

When exactly did Jesus say that divorce is possible in light of Mark 10? I think you have Matthew 5:32 &19:9 in mind. However, the relevant Greek word therein used is "porneia` which was translated as “fornication” or “unchastity”. Jesus was contrasting true marriage with “pre-marital” union. Obviously, if it is not a true marriage, a separation can certainly take place and such separation cannot be termed as divorce.

Francis

 

[ErrorCMDR]

But to your point, the problem with Gay Marriage is that God, and His Church, condemn the practice of homosexual acts as sinful. If two people want all the secular rights of married couples, that’s one thing (personally, I don’t have a problem with that).

But I oppose someone trying to change the Church’s 2000 year teaching just to appease their conscience. And I question whether that is really their intentions (the clearing of said conscience).

You don’t have to change Church law, just as protestant and courthouse weddings are not a Sacrament this to could be added. God was not mentioned once in my wedding and my sister had a Protestant wedding. All the Church has to do is keep doing what it has been for the last 2000 years.
Why the Church can’t let it go since it will never be a Sacramental marriage is beyond me.

Just don’t bless it.

God Bless

EC

 

[NotWorthy]

Thank you NotWorthy for responding so quickly. I will try to reply to each of your replies in order of submission. I understand that the Catholic Church still teaches that divorce is bad, but it is against the bible.

Then you have the teaching of the Catholic Church wrong. The teaching is that divorce is illegal.

So why is it that those who are divorced are still allowed back into the church? Why is divorce not looked upon as an abomination? I am sure you have plenty of divorced people in your church.

If the priest is following the rules, and my priest definitely does, much to the chagrin of some parishioners, he does not allow divorced people to take part in the Eucharist or get re-married in the Church. He’s on the diocesan marriage tribunal, so he takes part in them.

Why is it that if your parents kick you out of the house because you are gay they are still allowed back into the church?

Why don’t you ask each priest and parent this. That is not a edict of the Catholic Church for parents to kick their kids out of the house. If my kids disobey me, though, I have the right when they are 18 to kick them out, don’t I?

Why aren’t people more Christ like and stop, talk, listen and assist? Jesus would not applaud a parent who condemns their own child or who divorces would he? As for the Mosaic Law, Disiplinary Rules, Proverbs & Food… It seems very convenient to be able to say “Oh, that one, we don’t do that one.” If it is in the bible then it is in the bible. If the bible says we should just anoint sick people why do we have hospitals? Why don’t we just drive to the closest church instead of messing around with all the science?

No, you are way off base with this questioning. The Catholic Church follows the New Testament. You don’t see us sacrificing lambs and bulls every time the wind blows, do you? That covenant is over and fulfilled in Jesus Christ. That’s why I love to eat pork chops without commiting an abomination! You need to learn more about my Church before you make ridiculous accusation.

Now, if you could show me that the Catholic Church ever did follow all these rules, and then abandoned them some time after Apostolic Times, then you’d have a legitimate gripe. But until then, you simply look ridiculous.

Regarding my “Gay Alert” I was just reading into what I think the bible is saying just as many people read into the bible and make their own assumptions. I mostly throw that one in just for fun.

Well… the problem is you’re reading today’s reasoning into language 3000 years ago.

Let me give you an example:
That car is so hot!
In the 70’s it meant the air conditioner was out.
In the 80’s it meant the car looked really good.
In the 90’s it meant the car was stolen.

Same statement, different connotations. That is what happened with your statements. Of course, that’s another reason why we trust the Church to preserve the Truth!

As for the Slavery, it sounds to me that the bible is suggesting that owning slaves is okay with God. Just before the civil war the South used these exact verses to defend their right to own slaves.

In ancient Israel, a person became a slave in typically two ways.
a) They went into debt and served a certain period of years to overcome that debt.
b) Two countries go to war. If one side loses, its populace is taken into slavery. This was the commonly accepted means of slavery. Don’t go to war if you don’t want your populace to go into slavery. It served as a means of preserving peace, of course, until greedy monarchists don’t care about the well-being of their pupulace.

This is far different than the slavery in the 1800’s where Africans were taken into chains and ripped away from their families only to be taken 3000 miles away.

If we can change our minds about owning slaves, even though the bible encourages it, then why can we not leave gay people alone to live their lives as they see fit as free Americans?

Again, I’ve got no problem with that. In secular America, gays, drunkards, and all sorts of people who revel in sin are allowed to live the life they choose.

But don’t demand that the Church will lift its condemnation of any of these sins, simply because a group of people demand it.

As for appeasing someone’s conscience, we have been doing that since the beginning of the bible. We no longer burn witches in the name of the lord, we don’t beat our children, we don’t hang run away slaves, we don’t have a problem with divorce, we don’t kill women who have given their virginity away prior to marriage and we don’t kill people over adultery.

You can thank the secular world for finally catching up with the Catholics. We’ve never done that. Except for condeming divorce. That’s still sinful.

BUT, those gays are wrong and we will not let that go. Gays are Americans and they deserve every right that the Constitution offers, religion has nothing to do with it. The laws of America have over ridden the bible before and the laws of America will do it again regarding Gay Marriage.

That’s great. You can have all the Secular marriages you want. I could care less. Just don’t try to have a gay marriage in the Church.

You see, we have our rights, too. And one of those rights is to practice our religion the way we have in the past.

 

[NotWorthy]

They felt that way since childhood because that is when it is thought to happen.

To the other question - the homosexual is intrinsically evil, the others are not.

Wrong. The homosexual is not evil. The act of homosexuality is sinful, but that does not make the homosexual evil.