Gay marriage : who cares?

[karoleck]

I know 3 homosexual men well. One is a nephew, my husbands sister’s son, one is the brother of my son’s wife & the third is the son of a woman who worked for me for many years. In each case, your scenario is right on the mark. All 3 of the Mother’s are domineering women, two of them don’t really like men…especially if the men are strong & decisive. They wanted control.

 

[karoleck]

“In the year— the committee discussed a proposal to advance its course by having one thousand people declare to the police that they were homosexuals and demand that charges be pressed”
No ,that year was not in recent times but 1905!!! Peter Singer in his book Pushing Time Away Page 29 added and I quote–

“Though the plan was never carried out, to David (Oppenheim–his grandfather–my insert) and Soyka in these first years of the new centuary,love between people of the same sex might seemed to be on the verge of coming out of the closet”

“In the German speaking Europe,a movement for more open and tolerant attitudes to homosexuality was getting underway.In the year after Wilde’s conviction in 1895,320 works on homosexuality were published in Germany alone”

“So David had a least one friend who shared his sexual preferences.Otto Soyka was Viennese,Jewish,similar in age to David,and about to launch a literary career by writing an article on Oscar Wilde for Die Fackel,the much admired and hated saterical magazine edited by Karl Kraus.Soyka went on to write a daring book attracking sanctions against 'Unatural” sexual behavior,including sodomy,fetishism ,and even–where it did not involved cruelty–bestiality—"

So here is the start of the push for “gay rights”,the punishment for sin–called World War 11,stopped this movement–until it exploded again in the sixties.I would maintain that Peter Singer has advanced this secular pagan same sex movement ,by publishing this material and others like it.

The devil has always the same goals in every age–he just uses different players!!

St.Charles Lwanga and his 22 Christian friends thought that death was better than in sinning with a King who had same sex attractions.St.Charles Lwanga & Companions,pray for us.Here is the link to there story—
catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=35

 

[CradleCath]

CradleCath;7203983:

Many of these men say they feel like they are a woman trapped in a man’s body. Then, which do you think was more important in the formation of the men who feel they have a female gender identity?: Did the young men become more like women because their dads liked women, and the boys somehow unconscioously wanted to become more like women in order to have a chance to gain love and attention from the dad who didn’t spend enough time with them? Or, is it that they simply become more effeminate from the absence of the role model of dad (this doesn’t seem to happen very often in inner city scenarios)? Or, sometimes people submit to their conquerers. If the men felt controlled by women who were angry that life failed to meet their expectations, then the men might submit to their controlling moms, while never wanting to even consider marrying a woman since their experience would be extremely negative and smothering. Couple these with the man’s frequent positive experiences of brain pleasurism via promiscuous sex with other men, and one can see why he would never want to be heterosexual, based on his life’s experiences. The brain seeks pleasure and seeks to avoid pain. It’s easy to see how people who have experienced failed expectations would be afraid to change.

In the scenario’s that I posted about, the Mothers were the dominant parent & they were contemptuous, almost hostile, toward the men they married. In their eyes, it was his repsonsibility to provide MONEY & their’s to raise the family. All three of these women USED men. They used them to provide them with a social standing & an income, while they took control of the household, the children, etc. etc. These boys were not allowed to participate in sports, fishing, repair work around the house, etc.

I think that very early in their life, these boys learned that men were inferior & powerless, thus they identified with Mom. If you were a bright & sensitive 5 yr. old boy…would you want to identify with a man… when the only man you really know is ignored, treated as an inferior & held in contempt??

Having watched these 3 homosexual men grow up…I’ve known both families for 50 yrs… I feel that the Mother had more to do with the sexual orientation of their homosexual sons than the Father (though they both took part in the dynamics of a dysfunctional homelife.)

BTW. All three of these Mothers also had daughters & it’s quite interesting to watch how their daughters treat men. Someday I’ll tell you about** them.**

 

[CradleCath]

Sorry, I don’t mean to jump to conclusions. I prefer to call it speculation. I find it ironic that the Amer. Psych. Assoc. won’t reveal why people are homosexual. Why should fools like me spend time wondering? What’s the big secret? I’m just wondering because before 1976 it was a “problem,” but now it is “not a problem,” but an internet search won’t reveal why.

This article might help you understand what happened:
irish-nationalism.net/showthread.php/12288-How-the-American-Psychiatric-Association-changed-the-classification-of-homosexuality

An excerpt:

“Led by radicals like Frank Kameny, same-gender sex activists attacked many psychiatrists publicly, as Newsweek describes, "But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos for twenty minutes. ‘We are here to denounce your authority to call us sick or mentally disordered,’ shouted the group’s leader, Dr. Franklin Kameny, while the 2,000 shocked psychiatrists looked on in disbelief. ‘For us, as homosexuals, your profession is the enemy incarnate. We demand that psychiatrists treat us as human beings, not as patients to be cured!’” (Newsweek, 8-23-71, p.47)

Ironically, at the very moment Franklin Kameny was claiming that same-gender sex was healthy, safe, and natural, a deadly virus was silently passing through communities of men all over the nation as a result of the promiscuous, unhealthy nature of the sex they were having. Only a decade later, thousands of men would be dead or dying, of AIDS."

Just put “pressure on the APA to declassify homoseuality as a mental disorder” in your search engine & you’ll find several sites that will tell you what happened in 1973.

 

[Seeker2010]

An excerpt:

So it is your opinion that homosexuality is a mental illness? Are the mentally ill culpable for the sins their illness causes?

 

[Abu]

To cut to the chase, the disorder is emotional and the person is just as responsible for seeking and accepting treatment as the alcoholic or drug user.

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]

The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.”36
Note:
36. James E. Phelan, Neil Whitehead, Philip M. Sutton, “What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality,” *Journal of Human Sexuality *Vol. 1, p. 93 (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, 2009).

“There is a whole way of thinking and feeling that occurs long before the inclination to genital acts with persons of the same sex arises in the heart…the disorder itself is rooted in unhealthy emotions.” [Fr John A Harvey, *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 154-5. Also Elizabeth Moberly’s Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic, and Gerald van Aardweg’s Homosexuality and Hope, for an analysis of such emotions].

The chapter on Women With Homosexual Orientation gives many testimonies to the efficacy of reparative therapy and indicates that it is easier for many women to overcome their problem than men. The Truth About Homosexuality, Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., Ignatius, 1996].

Dr William Kraft asserts that the habit of masturbation carries the message that the person has not integrated his social, spiritual, emotional and physical life.” (A Psychospiritual View, 39-45). [Referenced and quoted by Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius 1996, p 162).

 

[Seeker2010]

Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals.

That’s probably because homosexuals have to go their whole lives listening to claptrap like ‘homosexuals are disordered and should get treatment’. Sound familiar?

 

[karoleck]

That’s probably because homosexuals have to go their whole lives listening to claptrap like ‘homosexuals are disordered and should get treatment’. Sound familiar?

People with same sex attraction also have a spiritual side which cries out in their souls that acting out these disordered desires is against the natural law written in their hearts and the Ten Commandments.Since living out these lustful urges is morally wrong,people with same sex attractions then dull their conscience with alcohol or illicit drugs,gambling or unbridled sexual etc.anything to keep reality at bay.

I remember once going to a flat to do some work for a client,on the bedroom mirror the young same sex attraction guy wrote with lipstick on his mirrow.
“Heroine is not Gay”,there were used vials tossed out the window.I would venture to say “Same sex attraction is not gay”!

People with same sex attractions ,if they are adults and set or fixed in this state,do not necessarily need to seek treatment but are urged to live out chaste lives if they wish to have peace of mind and gain Eternal Life.Reality always has the final say in regard to how a life is lived and Christ and His Teachings is the only reality.

 

[karoleck]

To cut to the chase, the disorder is emotional and the person is just as responsible for seeking and accepting treatment as the alcoholic or drug user.

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]

The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.”36
Note:
36. James E. Phelan, Neil Whitehead, Philip M. Sutton, “What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality,” *Journal of Human Sexuality *Vol. 1, p. 93 (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, 2009).

“There is a whole way of thinking and feeling that occurs long before the inclination to genital acts with persons of the same sex arises in the heart…the disorder itself is rooted in unhealthy emotions.” [Fr John A Harvey, *The Truth About Homosexuality

, Ignatius, 1996, p 154-5. Also Elizabeth Moberly’s Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic, and Gerald van Aardweg’s Homosexuality and Hope, for an analysis of such emotions].

The chapter on Women With Homosexual Orientation gives many testimonies to the efficacy of reparative therapy and indicates that it is easier for many women to overcome their problem than men. The Truth About Homosexuality, Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., Ignatius, 1996].

Dr William Kraft asserts that the habit of masturbation carries the message that the person has not integrated his social, spiritual, emotional and physical life.” (A Psychospiritual View, 39-45). [Referenced and quoted by Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius 1996, p 162).

One heck of a good posting what great information you have provided:thumbsup:

 

[John21652]

That’s probably because homosexuals have to go their whole lives listening to claptrap like ‘homosexuals are disordered and should get treatment’. Sound familiar?

So what comes first, the chicken or the egg?
Mental illness first and then the call of ‘disordered’ perhaps?! If there wasn’t some obvious problem, then there wouldn’t be the call of disordered. Simple, really.

 

[Seeker2010]

Mental illness first and then the call of ‘disordered’ perhaps?!

Sheesh, it’s starting to sound like a meeting of the klan up in here. Homosexuality is NOT a mental illness.

 

[NE_Catholic]

Sheesh, it’s starting to sound like a meeting of the klan up in here. Homosexuality is NOT a mental illness.

My 2 cents (I know you couldn’t wait )

I grew up in the People’s Republic of Cambridge. I know many gays, 90% lesbians. I find that that the majority have issues. Some are just attracted to the same sex, but the majority have mental issues. Flame away on me all you want, post any study you want, but my personal experience trumps all. I am good friends with them also. I talk a lot about just this subject and you know what? They all agree in some form or another. Does that make homosexuality a mental illness? NO. But IMO (and many others including gays) homosexuals have problems beyond being attracted to the same sex.

 

[Seeker2010]

I find that that the majority have issues.

So what? I’d say the majority of all of us ‘have issues’ gay, straight, or otherwise.

To pile my anecdote onto yours, truth is I only know a relatively small handful of out right gay people of either gender, but I know dozens if not hundreds of bisexual women. In my experience they’re no more messed up than the rest of us.

 

[NE_Catholic]

So what? I’d say the majority of all of us ‘have issues’ gay, straight, or otherwise.

To pile my anecdote onto yours, truth is I only know a relatively small handful of out right gay people of either gender, but I know dozens if not hundreds of bisexual women. In my experience they’re no more messed up than the rest of us.

“have issues” is my mild way of saying they are truely “messed up”.
Being bisexual to me is in it’s self disturbing, but that’s another arguement.

 

[Seeker2010]

Being bisexual to me is in it’s self disturbing, but that’s another arguement.

For the purpose of our discussion here, how is bisexual really any different than gay? There’s straight people, who are statistically ‘normal’, and there’s non-straight people. Whether they go both ways or strictly their own gender doesn’t really seem to matter.

For the record, my wife is bisexual, and has no more (or less) issues than any other ‘normal’ person. Heck, I’m straight and recently have been popping xanax to deal with anxiety, so she’s less messed up than me!

 

[NE_Catholic]

For the purpose of our discussion here, how is bisexual really any different than gay? There’s straight people, who are statistically ‘normal’, and there’s non-straight people. Whether they go both ways or strictly their own gender doesn’t really seem to matter.

For the record, my wife is bisexual, and has no more (or less) issues than any other ‘normal’ person. Heck, I’m straight and recently have been popping xanax to deal with anxiety, so she’s less messed up than me!

Bi-sexual means IMO you just don’t care, you’ll just hook up with anything. You are now behaving like a farm animal that will mount anything. Who knows what issues you and your wife have.

 

[Seeker2010]

Bi-sexual means IMO you just don’t care, you’ll just hook up with anything.

No, it means you are sexually attracted to members of both genders. It does no imply anything about your standards. Some bisexuals are only sexually bi, in that they desire physical relations with members of their gender but do not/would not date or marry.

 

[NE_Catholic]

No, it means you are sexually attracted to members of both genders. It does no imply anything about your standards. Some bisexuals are only sexually bi, in that they desire physical relations with members of their gender but do not/would not date or marry.

Ok, they have standards of attraction but will hook up with anything within those standards. Satisfied?

 

[Seeker2010]

Ok, they have standards of attraction but will hook up with anything within those standards. Satisfied?

Doesn’t that apply to all of us, regardless of orientation?

 

[NE_Catholic]

Doesn’t that apply to all of us, regardless of orientation?

I would assume to be “BiSexual” one would have to have numerous sexual partners to that end. I’ve yet to meet or hear of a celibate or (is it possible?) monogamous “Bi-Sexual”.