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edwest2
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I dated a bisexual girl but only after she gave her life to Christ and ended her bisexual behavior.
God bless,
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Veronica7978
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First, gay people don’t need birth control?Once again, this type of argument is based on a serious lack of historical knowledge.
1960 The Birth Control Pill.
1970s Legalize graphic pornography and open Adult Bookstores, topless bars and strip clubs.
Make sure to publish Swinger magazines so people who are not sexual perverts will be tempted to become ones.
1972 Market the X-Rated movie Deep Throat like it was a regular movie. Rail against the Christians for getting it banned in 22 States…
Second, the world was much more promiscuous back in ancient Greece and Roman times when most males had homosexual partners back at the gym, then went home to procreate with their wives (and that’s just one example). They (Romans) also used to leave babies outside to die (no need for abortion when you just leave them out to die if you don’t want them). You stated for somebody to get some history facts straight, yet you don’t know this?
Read Augustine’s confession - he was out boozing it up, sleeping around…he either used some kind of birth control, or had many children, in either case, he one day became a Christian and stopped that behavior. It’s no different today. Don’t act like the sky is falling when in reality, we are a purist nation compared to what happened in the old days. Also, gays have been around for a llooooooong time. This is not new stuff. They just started to ask to get married now because they know we won’t kill them anymore. They probably wanted to marry all along.
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Joseph_L_Varga
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I spent a few minutes surfing that massresistance.org website. Scary. I want the public schools to leave my children alone. No condoms, no lubes, no birth control pills, no gay sex ed, no heterosexual sex ed. Under the guise of sex education, public schools are trying to instill un-Catholic views into our children. Any form of premarital sex, gay sex, and birth control is unacceptable to a Catholic. I want to teach my children 100% Catholic values, and the public school system is directly opposing my efforts. The public schools, and the gay lobby, want access to MY CHILDREN.
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Veronica7978
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No, but if they are Catholic, they know they shouldn’t engage in sinful behaviors. Homosexual behaviors are sinful according to our Bible. If you are Catholic, you can be gay, but not act on it. It’s pretty simple.Do you think being Catholic is going to stop someone from being gay or something?
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scimitar60
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I sense disrespect here. Gay people are attracted to the same gender as much as you are attracted to your wife/girlfriend. Asking them to not pursure that is a hard call, it’s like asking you to never look for a woman. But saying that, I do agree, of course, that it should be stopped. But in a bit more subtle way. Don’t just call them sinners and condemn them, but encourage them to stop. You can change your sexuality with a lot of effort and practice.I don’t think it’s our business. If they want to be Catholic, they would not be engaging in homosexual activity. If they are not Catholic, it is their own business. Just like God gave us the choice to serve him or die, homosexuals have a choice too.
That is not to say homosexuals die, it is to say that any that do not come to the Father through the son will die.
With regards to what the government does and what people of other religions do, I believe Christ was clear on that - “give to Caesar what is his.”
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edwest2
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What did He tell the woman who was going to be stoned for adultery? “Go and sin no more.” If we, as Catholics, do not know what sin is, both for ourselves and for others, then what are we doing? Jesus said, You say to me lord, lord but do not the things I tell you.Dear Ed,
That is not a legitimate news source and appears to be a propaganda machine spewing hate. Further, Christ would not condemn (though he could if he wanted to) sinners, he would be near them, teaching them. He finds joy in loving them and bringing them to the Father as should each of us. Who do you believe Christ would be spending time with if he were on earth…the healthy or the sick?
Today, He expects us to do what He told us to do.
God bless,
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Veronica7978
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I hope you’re being sarcastic. That website is a joke. If you’re not…Ed, see what you’ve done with that nonsense! Trust me, the public schools don’t want your kid to be gay. They don’t give a care what your kid is…they just want higher test scores.I spent a few minutes surfing that massresistance.org website. Scary. I want the public schools to leave my children alone. No condoms, no lubes, no birth control pills, no gay sex ed, no heterosexual sex ed. Under the guise of sex education, public schools are trying to instill un-Catholic views into our children. Any form of premarital sex, gay sex, and birth control is unacceptable to a Catholic. I want to teach my children 100% Catholic values, and the public school system is directly opposing my efforts. The public schools, and the gay lobby, want access to MY CHILDREN.
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Veronica7978
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Right. Sin no more. Exactly. He forgave her and taught her. He didn’t stone her, he gave her the choice to be Catholic or not.What did He tell the woman who was going to be stoned for adultery? “Go and sin no more.” If we, as Catholics, do not know what sin is, both for ourselves and for others, then what are we doing? Jesus said, You say to me lord, lord but do not the things I tell you.
Today, He expects us to do what He told us to do.
God bless,
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Veronica7978
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If you’re not engaging in homosexual activity (you’re not are you?) then you don’t have to worry about it. Neither does any other Christian who isn’t partaking. The key word is Christian. Those who are not Christians have chosen the other. God himself gives the choice…serve Him or not.What did He tell the woman who was going to be stoned for adultery? “Go and sin no more.” If we, as Catholics, do not know what sin is, both for ourselves and for others, then what are we doing? Jesus said, You say to me lord, lord but do not the things I tell you.
Today, He expects us to do what He told us to do.
God bless,
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Veronica7978
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Dude, I’m the last person to condemn a gay person (many friends are gay); however, that is a choice to make. Just like a choice to have an abortion, cheat on your wife…anything that goes against what we have been explicitly taught in the bible. I have struggled with this for a long time and the only conclusion I can come up with is that if they are Catholic they do not partake any more than I partake in watching porn or cheating on my husband. We all have things that tempt us and a cross to bear. Their’s is heavy. Mine is heavy. Your’s is heavy. Carry it or not?I sense disrespect here. Gay people are attracted to the same gender as much as you are attracted to your wife/girlfriend. Asking them to not pursure that is a hard call, it’s like asking you to never look for a woman. But saying that, I do agree, of course, that it should be stopped. But in a bit more subtle way. Don’t just call them sinners and condemn them, but encourage them to stop. You can change your sexuality with a lot of effort and practice.
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edwest2
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In order to plant the seed of gay marriage and polyamory, which is being considered right now in Canada, it was necessary to prepare the soil.Since many heterosexual relationships are not monogamous, you make no point.
In the 1950s, rank and file Catholics were more devout and more respectful of themselves and others. Modesty was enforced in dress and speech. The media was generally very respectful of Christian beliefs and practices. I was there.
There was a Nativity in front of the local City Hall. You didn’t have to look at it, or put money in it or acknowledge it in any way, but every year, around Christmas, the Detroit newspaper would run a beautiful editorial about Christmas.
Now - How To Tear All Of That Down to make the world safe for sexual perverts? First, you convince everybody that they can’t have sex without The Pill.
1960 The Pill approved for sale by the FDA.
Next, you literally put pornography into everybody’s neighborhood so they can come into contact with “alternative lifestyles.” Then, you publish Swinger magazines so people are tempted to move beyond the pictures into actual perverted sexual activity.
In 1968, the Church was very aware of Artificial Birth Control and published Humanae Vitae to warn the faithful. Pope Paul VI warned that there was going to be an increase in sexual promiscuity if his words were not heeded.
Again, the social landscape had to be reengineered. Send in the hippies. Make sure they are getting the message out. The Message: Free Love! Sex with anybody. A Hippie friend told me: “I don’t need no piece of paper to live with my old lady.”
Priests, nuns, mom, dad, they don’t know anything. Down with the Establishment! Woodstock Nation!
And then, when your Catholic mom or dad asked what you were doing. “Leave me alone! I don’t have to listen to you anymore!” And when the outside world asked, they got: “Mind your own business! We’re adults and we’ll do whatever we want!”
1970s Let’s throw in the radical feminist organization called the National Organization for Women. “Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression!” Men, all men, were now the eternal enemy. Women, the eternal victims, as if women no longer had even a species relationship with men. This is followed by college courses called Women’s Studies and Women’s Literature. This group was not solution oriented.
Gloria Steinem: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
And during all this time, whenever the Church or individual Catholics spoke up, they got: Leave us alone! Mind your business! Stay out of our lives!
I watched as a few of my Catholic classmates tried an alternative lifestyle or tried smoking dope. Almost needless to say, not good things. When I asked a classmate in the 1970s, why he was living with his girlfriend, he said, Because we love each other! But why do this instead of getting married? He was Catholic after all.
So, job one was to get as many people as possible to ignore and reject what they had been taught in exchange for permission to have sex without marriage. This was sold as “freedom.” Of course, it began to put some distance between themselves and the Church. But, they were told, they were more free.
1980s Let’s tear families apart, shall we? By instituting No-Fault Divorce, and easy terms: “No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE”
So those intergenerational bonds that existed for years and years were torn apart. Anger from in-laws, broken bonds, traumatized children. But Hollywood and the media gave people the necessary negative reenforcement: movies showed men walking into bars and their buddies, instead of feeling bad about their buddy’s divorce, they encouraged him to look at it as a good thing. That he’ll find someone “better.”
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Joseph_L_Varga
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I’ve read the following article:I hope you’re being sarcastic. That website is a joke. If you’re not…Ed, see what you’ve done with that nonsense! Trust me, the public schools don’t want your kid to be gay. They don’t give a care what your kid is…they just want higher test scores.
massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/youth_pride/prom/index.html
Here’s an excerpt:
And here’s a picture taken at the event.At this year’s prom: BAGLY gives homosexual sex supplies to kids
For this year’s “prom” BAGLY announced on its website, “We will have condoms, lube, and various other safer sex supplies. We also offer free anonymous HIV testing.” (They call this HEARRT - “Health Education and Risk Reduction Team”.) Note it’s simply “risk reduction”. Remember, these are kids as young as middle-school age. And they’re mingling with homosexual activist adults.
Apparently, lots of kids attended this “gay prom” event at the Boston City Hall, based on the picture.
I do not know who these Massresistance folks are. But do you think this particular report was accurate?
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Veronica7978
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@Ed,
Who is this magical “they” that you speak of? - and
pray don’t continue, you are making no head way with me. You want it to be the 1950’s because it was so awesome then, forget that women couldn’t get a bank loan without permission from their husband’s, they made 10cents on the dollar to what men made while working, blacks, asians, and latinos had almost no civil rights. What you want, Ed, is civil rights for white men only and that just ain’t gonna happen. You are not going to hate on people then wake up and your mom is in the kitchen making you cookies. Those days are over. Get out there and teach what God wants, pray for souls, tell them what our bible says, and make the best of your time. Fearing gays and reading alarmist web sites is not going to bring your mom back to the kitchen.
Who is this magical “they” that you speak of? - and
pray don’t continue, you are making no head way with me. You want it to be the 1950’s because it was so awesome then, forget that women couldn’t get a bank loan without permission from their husband’s, they made 10cents on the dollar to what men made while working, blacks, asians, and latinos had almost no civil rights. What you want, Ed, is civil rights for white men only and that just ain’t gonna happen. You are not going to hate on people then wake up and your mom is in the kitchen making you cookies. Those days are over. Get out there and teach what God wants, pray for souls, tell them what our bible says, and make the best of your time. Fearing gays and reading alarmist web sites is not going to bring your mom back to the kitchen.
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Veronica7978
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@Joseph,
That is misleading to say the least. The “prom” is held in city hall, not a school. ONLY the children whose parents bring them to the prom are introduced to this curriculum (which teaches tolerance I’m sure). Again, the schools do not want your child gay…they want high test scores. They do not have time to teach gay…they barely cover ELA & Math anymore.
P.S. Look closely at the pic and you will see those are adults. Seriously - spreading this kind of propaganda is not right.
That is misleading to say the least. The “prom” is held in city hall, not a school. ONLY the children whose parents bring them to the prom are introduced to this curriculum (which teaches tolerance I’m sure). Again, the schools do not want your child gay…they want high test scores. They do not have time to teach gay…they barely cover ELA & Math anymore.
P.S. Look closely at the pic and you will see those are adults. Seriously - spreading this kind of propaganda is not right.
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edwest2
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And the media kept changing, especially on TV. Let’s show Sue Ellen on Dallas drinking liquor straight out of the bottle while driving. And on the radio? Whenever those Christian nutjobs conplained about some new, scandalous behavior, the commentator would say, “That’s tame by today’s standards.” What “standards” was he talking about? In any case, year in and year out, the plan to get people used to a little more bad and then, a little more, was moving in the desired direction.
In the 1980s, people were still more Catholic then not. And in the background, all Catholics heard was: Leave us alone! We have a right to privacy! Mind your own business!
1990s For our next assault wave, let’s send in the American Civil Liberties Union. Apparently, the ACLU woke up one day and realized: There’s a Nativity in front of a Public Building! We can’t have that! Religious paintings and placards in public schools?!! Out! Religious monuments in public buildings? Out! But they made a “deal” with the Nativities. They dictated the terms: We’ll let you keep your ‘creche’ but only if you surround it with plastic Santas and plastic candy canes and plastic reindeer. And if you don’t follow our orders, we’ll see you in court! A few communities ‘donated’ land nearby to display the Nativity as it always had been.
The goal: To completely neutralize the religious content of the Birth of Christ. To make Jesus the equivalent of Santa Claus.
A local community (an upscale community) had stores with speakers on the outside that played Christmas music. An ordinance was passed that allowed them to play the music but not the words.
Moving religion to the margins had to be accomplished. The stain of religion had to be removed from the public mind.
Then we had shock jocks on the radio, rap that disrespected women. Some people, after 40 years of ingesting poison, still somehow thought that all of this was OK.
By the end of the 1990s and the rise of the internet, graphic pornography and sexual perversion was now inside your house and at your local library. Kids were more likely to grow up and just live together since the possibility of divorce was too painful for some to consider marriage.
And through all this time, did the Church’s message change? No, but it had been painted over by a 24/7 media environment that promoted sex over love and the temporary over a lifelong commitment.
2000s Here we are. How many Jennifer Aniston cohabitation movies are they going to make? How many TV shows where the attractive female has ‘just sex’ with a coworker? How many viagra and similar ads? How many special news programs that resemble infantile internet rants as opposed to intelligent conversations?
So sfter 40 years of having poison dripped into their veins, after 40 years of being encouraged to have anything but marital sex, and after 40 years of being told: “You can’t tell us what to do.” Catholics became less than Catholics. They became selfish like the world and as Church parking lots emptied, Mall parking lots filled up. Catholics were taught to expect and accept constant change. Meanwhile, gays were going from state to state to getting sodomy laws struck down so they could get married. And now, oh yes, now they can say to Catholics - "Most of you have fallen for years of sexual propaganda and have turned to some form of sexual perversion so how can you say anything to us?’ Everything happened according to plan.
And the plan is not complete. Every mix and match sexual perversion and relationship that is not yet legal is still on the table.
God bless,
Ed
God bless,
Ed
In the 1980s, people were still more Catholic then not. And in the background, all Catholics heard was: Leave us alone! We have a right to privacy! Mind your own business!
1990s For our next assault wave, let’s send in the American Civil Liberties Union. Apparently, the ACLU woke up one day and realized: There’s a Nativity in front of a Public Building! We can’t have that! Religious paintings and placards in public schools?!! Out! Religious monuments in public buildings? Out! But they made a “deal” with the Nativities. They dictated the terms: We’ll let you keep your ‘creche’ but only if you surround it with plastic Santas and plastic candy canes and plastic reindeer. And if you don’t follow our orders, we’ll see you in court! A few communities ‘donated’ land nearby to display the Nativity as it always had been.
The goal: To completely neutralize the religious content of the Birth of Christ. To make Jesus the equivalent of Santa Claus.
A local community (an upscale community) had stores with speakers on the outside that played Christmas music. An ordinance was passed that allowed them to play the music but not the words.
Moving religion to the margins had to be accomplished. The stain of religion had to be removed from the public mind.
Then we had shock jocks on the radio, rap that disrespected women. Some people, after 40 years of ingesting poison, still somehow thought that all of this was OK.
By the end of the 1990s and the rise of the internet, graphic pornography and sexual perversion was now inside your house and at your local library. Kids were more likely to grow up and just live together since the possibility of divorce was too painful for some to consider marriage.
And through all this time, did the Church’s message change? No, but it had been painted over by a 24/7 media environment that promoted sex over love and the temporary over a lifelong commitment.
2000s Here we are. How many Jennifer Aniston cohabitation movies are they going to make? How many TV shows where the attractive female has ‘just sex’ with a coworker? How many viagra and similar ads? How many special news programs that resemble infantile internet rants as opposed to intelligent conversations?
So sfter 40 years of having poison dripped into their veins, after 40 years of being encouraged to have anything but marital sex, and after 40 years of being told: “You can’t tell us what to do.” Catholics became less than Catholics. They became selfish like the world and as Church parking lots emptied, Mall parking lots filled up. Catholics were taught to expect and accept constant change. Meanwhile, gays were going from state to state to getting sodomy laws struck down so they could get married. And now, oh yes, now they can say to Catholics - "Most of you have fallen for years of sexual propaganda and have turned to some form of sexual perversion so how can you say anything to us?’ Everything happened according to plan.
And the plan is not complete. Every mix and match sexual perversion and relationship that is not yet legal is still on the table.
God bless,
Ed
God bless,
Ed
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edwest2
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Here is a father who was arrested because he objected to his six year old son being given a gay storybook in a public school.I hope you’re being sarcastic. That website is a joke. If you’re not…Ed, see what you’ve done with that nonsense! Trust me, the public schools don’t want your kid to be gay. They don’t give a care what your kid is…they just want higher test scores.
massresistance.org/docs/parker/
God bless,
Ed
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You appear to believe falsehoods instead of the truth.@Ed,
Who is this magical “they” that you speak of? - and
pray don’t continue, you are making no head way with me. You want it to be the 1950’s because it was so awesome then, forget that women couldn’t get a bank loan without permission from their husband’s, they made 10cents on the dollar to what men made while working, blacks, asians, and latinos had almost no civil rights. What you want, Ed, is civil rights for white men only and that just ain’t gonna happen. You are not going to hate on people then wake up and your mom is in the kitchen making you cookies. Those days are over. Get out there and teach what God wants, pray for souls, tell them what our bible says, and make the best of your time. Fearing gays and reading alarmist web sites is not going to bring your mom back to the kitchen.
I was born in the mid 1950s. The average number of kids in my neighborhod was two - that’s 2. Moms were not tied to the kitchen stove. My mom worked at a warehouse and an assembly line style job. She could mix cement, paint the house and do basic carpentry.
Your misuse of the word hate reminds me of an incident with a friend’s 4 year old daughter who was at a house party and was having a good time. When mom told her it was time to go, she tried to hit her mom and started yelling, I hate you! If gay people want respect and understanding then they should not stop the conversation by yelling hate the moment a disparaging word is said.
God bless,
Ed
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edwest2
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For those who think massresistance is not a credible web site, here are a few words from Catholic Insight:
catholicinsight.com/online/church/education/article_1027.shtml
God bless,
Ed
catholicinsight.com/online/church/education/article_1027.shtml
God bless,
Ed
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Joseph_L_Varga
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Your point is well taken. A parent can choose not to bring his/her child to the event. But I’m still not happy about this arrangement. How did the gay activists get access to the children? According to the Massresistance article, they are allowed to enter the schools. When they invite children, they do not approach them on the street. They enter the schools and approach the children on the grounds of the public schools:@Joseph,
That is misleading to say the least. The “prom” is held in city hall, not a school. ONLY the children whose parents bring them to the prom are introduced to this curriculum (which teaches tolerance I’m sure). Again, the schools do not want your child gay…they want high test scores. They do not have time to teach gay…they barely cover ELA & Math anymore.
P.S. Look closely at the pic and you will see those are adults. Seriously - spreading this kind of propaganda is not right.
Every May as part of the GLBT Commission’s “Youth Pride” event, BAGLY (“Boston Alliance for Gay Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender Youth”) holds a homosexual/transgender “prom” in Boston City Hall, courtesy of Mayor Thomas Menino. Children as young as middle-school age from across the state are encouraged to come. This year it was on Saturday evening, May 8.
The whole arrangement seems odd. Would the public schools allow the Marine Corps to enter the schools and invite kids to recruiting events for the Armed Forces? Probably (hopefully) yes. Would they allow the Franciscan Brothers, or Carmelite Sisters to enter the schools, and invite kids to Catholic retreat events aimed to help discern vocations to the religious life as Catholic monks and nuns? Probably no. I just wonder, who gets access to the kids on school grounds, and why.BAGLY is a hard-core homosexual/ transgender activist group that is part of the Mass. Commission for GLBT Youth. BAGLY not only goes into the public schools, but entices schoolchildren to attend off-campus homosexual and transgender activities across the state. Many of these events are with bizarre adults, such as men wearing women’s clothes, middle-aged men involved with sado-machosism, etc.
P.S. The photo I posted, and especially photo no. 4 in the Massresistance article, does show many kids at the gay prom event.
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I was not trying to prove you wrong, just alerting you of your tone of words, it seemed disrespectful. I fully agree with you, but you must show them some sympathy and help them become better Catholics. Trust me, my generation, telling people to pretty much ‘Get over it and show some effort’ just pushes them away. They don’t want to listen to that.Dude, I’m the last person to condemn a gay person (many friends are gay); however, that is a choice to make. Just like a choice to have an abortion, cheat on your wife…anything that goes against what we have been explicitly taught in the bible. I have struggled with this for a long time and the only conclusion I can come up with is that if they are Catholic they do not partake any more than I partake in watching porn or cheating on my husband. We all have things that tempt us and a cross to bear. Their’s is heavy. Mine is heavy. Your’s is heavy. Carry it or not?
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