Gay patient says Catholic chaplain refused him last rites

[PaulinVA]

Honestly Paul, it’s just another sexual sin…there are plenty to choose from and none of them are life affirming or recognize human dignity.

NO, it is not just another sexual sin. Why do you think this? I engage in a sexual sin, and then I stop. Great, now I go on to experience sex in a non-sinful way. The gay person stops the behavior, and there is nothing to replace it with. The Church says no sex at all. That is not analogous to just stopping a sexual sin and doing it the “right” way.

The best analogy is the divorced Catholic who wants to be reconciled to the Church after a second, Illicit marriage and an annulment of the first marriage is refused. There is no easy way to resolve the situation. It’s messy, It involves another person or persons, and it involves sacrifice all around.

It’s not just as simple as, “Now, you cut that out.” “Oh, okay”

The issue at hand isn’t a gay person being persecuted or harassed or demeaned but being treated like every other sinner who enters the Sacrament of Reconciliation and expects absolution. God is very forgiving but cannot forgive someone who is not sorry. I don’t see how you reconcile your seeming demand that the Church capitulate to pop culture and still maintain its standards and consistently apply its teaching.

I don’t see how you can read my posts and continually make things up that I don’t say. I never said that the Church needs to capitulate to pop culture. Never. The Church needs to meet sinners where they are, and work with them to bring them to reconciliation. That’s all. But, Catholics need to realize the heavy burden they are laying on gay people. Yes, you are going to say we all have burdens and that’s right. As I said, divorced and remarried people also have a heavy burden. Paralyzed people have a heavy burden.

 

[LisaA]

NO, it is not just another sexual sin. Why do you think this? I engage in a sexual sin, and then I stop. Great, now I go on to experience sex in a non-sinful way. The gay person stops the behavior, and there is nothing to replace it with. The Church says no sex at all. That is not analogous to just stopping a sexual sin and doing it the “right” way.

The best analogy is the divorced Catholic who wants to be reconciled to the Church after a second, Illicit marriage and an annulment of the first marriage is refused. There is no easy way to resolve the situation. It’s messy, It involves another person or persons, and it involves sacrifice all around.

It’s not just as simple as, “Now, you cut that out.” “Oh, okay”

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Well you must have amazing powers to simply stop engaging in sexual sin. Ask someone addicted to porn or someone engaged in an adulterous affair or someone who has become obsessed with some sort of fetish or sexual toy or having sex with children. You don’t “just stop.” It is tough, painful and relapses are very common. Ask any priest or minister about the problem with porn these days. It’s epidemic, it destroys relationships and marriages. The brain is a wonderful slave but a terrible master. Patterns get burned into the brain and turning back IS difficult. But don’t kid yourself, a homosexual who only wants to have anal sex with men is no more or obsessed with that than the married guy addicted to porn or someone who wants sex with kids.

Basically what you suggest is well I guess it’s better to continue with this unhealthy and self destructive lifestyle than to deny “who I am.” People don’t have to have a sexual relationship. In fact I suspect if you looked at the world today more people DON"T have sexual relationships than do. Many are too young, too old, health issues, not being married, etc. Despite what your teenage friends told you your genitals will not explode if not used regularly.

I don’t see how you can read my posts and continually make things up that I don’t say. I never said that the Church needs to capitulate to pop culture. Never. The Church needs to meet sinners where they are, and work with them to bring them to reconciliation. That’s all. But, Catholics need to realize the heavy burden they are laying on gay people. Yes, you are going to say we all have burdens and that’s right. As I said, divorced and remarried people also have a heavy burden. Paralyzed people have a heavy burden.

No I don’t make things up. You continuously base your argument on the conclusion the Priest didn’t do “enough” to bring this man around. I suggest he went into the room with every intent of reconciling the man to Christ but when he explained that he could not offer absolution to an unrepentent sinner was screamed at and basically sent away.

What would you have suggested he do? He tried to speak to the man about the faith. He tried to explain the Sacrament of Reconciliation but it appears the man wanted absolution on HIS terms.

What would you have the priest do?

Lisa

 

[punisherthunder]

Catholics are actually supposed to accept homosexuals. It’s homosexual acts you’re supposed to have problems with. Funny how often that distinction gets lost.

Who says they are to be accepted?

My point is the transgression of homosexuality on society will wear down any laws of the Church. Refuse Communion to active homosexuals? That will one day be accepted. It’s all going downhill.