Gay Pride Masses

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Fast_ed75:
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There is no more benighted religious order in the Church than the Jesuits. They got so involved in politics in the 18th century that the pope suppressed them for 40 years. In the 1960s the Jesuits got deeply involved in “Liberation Theology” and took up arms to join Communist movements in Latin America. They went so far that even the liberalist Paul VI declared them personae non gratae and would have nothing further to do with them personally.

As an example, just look at what’s going on at the Jesuit Urban Center of Boston. First off, the Novus Ordo Jesuits have replaced First Friday devotions to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus with “Taize” services. Taize is associated with Protestant Pentecostalism.

I know these Masses exist in some Chicago neighborhoods- I was wondering why the Church promotes a lifestyle that is contrary to its teaching. And why Cardinal George and others do nothing about them.
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What Church is this and do you have any information on what the rainbow was for? I am not disagreeing with you about this, however I would like to see in their own words what the purpose of this was. I am so hopful that there is an error here but I fear that there is not. If you could please link to anything this parish has on this Rainbow.

Thanks and May the Lord forgive us and them.
Scott
 
yea thats my question too…what Church is this?? I think a few thousand letters and emails need to be sent to the Bishop of this place.

I wonder if there are any Priests that roam this forum. Anyone know?

I would like to ask why majority of the Priests and Bishops are too scared to stand up for Christ.

Only a few came out against the Congressmen who were ‘catholic’ but for abortion, the rest kept quiet.

I watched a Priest last week go on ‘Your World’ with Neil Cuvoto on FoxNews. He said that He would allow John kerry to recieve the Eucharist. What a weak man.

When are the Bishops and Priests going to stop being so scared of society. They should fear God for not sticking up for Him.
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Post the info on this Church so I can hammer them with complaints..I enjoy this, I really do.
Somones gotta stand up and tell it like it is. 😃

God Bless
 
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Fast_ed75:
There is no more benighted religious order in the Church than the Jesuits.

I wouldn’t pass too quick a judgement on the Jesuits. They after all are partly responsible for countering Luther and the others. In many parts of the world they carry on the education of the youth not just in Catholic matters but in math and writing.
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Aris:
They after all are partly responsible for countering Luther and the others.
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They must have done a swell job of it, since the protestant refermation only lasted a year… :rolleyes: and now all the christians are united again…
 
well I dont think you can blame every single Jesuit. Im sure there are alot of great ones and a few bad ones like anywhere else.

but thats getting off topic. I sure would like to know what Church this is so I can contact the Cardinal and/or Bishop there.
 
I apoligize for my post about the Jesuits, it was my pathetic attempt at humor and I am sorry if it offended anyone. :o They are a good an holy order and like all orders have had a few bad eggs. Peace!
 
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CathAnFanatical:
well I dont think you can blame every single Jesuit. Im sure there are alot of great ones and a few bad ones like anywhere else.

but thats getting off topic. I sure would like to know what Church this is so I can contact the Cardinal and/or Bishop there.
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It’s the Church of the Immaculate Conception at the Jesuit Urban Center in Boston. Here is their web site jucboston.org/.
 
So Fast_ed75 who’s website is this?
traditio.com/comment/com0406.htmand did you write both the OP here and the post there, or did you just copy and paste it??

because you left out all this
Next off, an “interfaith” service was held on June 12 to celebrate “Pride: A Deeper Love.” And what is this “deeper love”? Our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament? No. Our Lady in her holy virginity? No. St. Michael and the Holy Angels in their guardianship of the faithful? Certainly not!
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I don’t want to get too graphic here, but the title refers to a certain grossly immoral practice that cries to heaven for vengeance. The featured speaker is not even a Novus Ordinarian, but the “gay” Episcopalian bishop who has caused so much scandal that the worldwide Anglican Union is splitting because of it. Moreover, he is to receive the Interfaith Award for 2004! Nor is this the first blasphemy the Jesuits have put on; it is the 27th, starting in 1977 under the “Novus Ordo” pope, Paul VI.
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How can any reasonable person reach a conclusion other than that the Church of the New Order is not Catholic, no matter what the sign on the door says? The signs outside of these New Order pagan temples should read not Catholic, but Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.
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And what is the Novus Ordo bishop doing? Not old Cardinal Law, who was forced out, but the new Archbishop O’Malley, who told the Novus Ordinarians of his archdiocese to stop objecting to “Gay Marriage” because it might make “Gay Catholics” unconfortable. (Well, shouldn’t they be?) Before long, the Novus Ordinarians of Boston are going to be praying for Law to come back as the lesser of two evils!
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I checked out their web site and this picture is right on it. I’m sick to my stomach.

Sorry, but endorsing sin? Give me a break!

What’s next? Adulterers Pride Masses? Hit Man Pride Masses? Liars Pride Masses? Masturbation Pride Masses?

C’mon!!!
 
This is so offensive. I can’t even imagine what it does to Our Lord. Mel Gibson’s movie only scratches the surface! I had a discussion one night with a priest I know very well. I read books for him and I give him quotes from the book that I find would interest him. He is not a reader and wouldn’t have the time anyway. I consider this a blessing myself! This time the book was ‘Goodbye Good Men’. It certainly would be faith-shattering to a neophyte since it affected myself on a deep level. But by the grace of God I remained calm. From what was read the seminaries are FULL of homosexuals…whether here in Canada or in the States. A heterosexual man has a very hard time getting through the seminary due to the pressure put on him by the homosexuals. If only they were just homosexual by nature, but they also live a very active homosexual lifestyle and were ordained. The heterosexual would be sent home due to mental imbalance (???) or whatever.

So, this priest told me that this was true and most priests were homosexual. If homosexuality was not allowed, there would be hardly any priests at all. Now that was earth-shattering. Well, you could still be homosexual and still live by the vow of celibacy no different than a heterosexual priest. Well…I guess, but do they??? only God knows that. According to this book, sex was rampant. Now, don’t forget I discussed this book with a priest I know very well. I do not know if it would go so well to interview another priest to get his point of view. It is a tight clique.

Anyway, on this note, maybe a mass like this was forthcoming. A week ago, we had our Rose parade in Welland, and for the first time, we had a ‘gay’ float. My heart sunk. but then I am in a family where my brothers and sisters are either having an affair while still married leaving 5 children in stead, another with four children who ran after a married man and snagged him, another who does a ‘menage a trois’ and thinks it is ok because it is consensual. No adultery in this picture. Sin abounds…and more to the point…lust!

I am sorry if this sounds so negative but I believe it is the picture that is being painted (rainbow or not) these days and Satan is having a riot!!!

Let us pray for our priests!
 
ok, dont mean to play the devils advocate here, but all I see are flags and nothing saying ‘Gay Mass’

am i missing it?
 
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CathAnFanatical:
ok, dont mean to play the devils advocate here, but all I see are flags and nothing saying ‘Gay Mass’

am i missing it?
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As a recovering San Franciscan, a semiotics lession is in order. 😉

"The rainbow flag has become one of the most widely used and recognized symbols of the gay pride movement…

The Rainbow Flag as we know it today was developed by San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker in 1978. At the time, there was a need for a gay symbol which could be used year after year for the San Francisco Gay and Lesbian Pride Parade. Baker took inspiration from many sources, from the hippies movement to the black civil rights movement, and came up with a flag with eight stripes. Color has always played an important power in the gay right movement- Victorian England symbolized homosexuality with the color green, lavender became popular in the 1960s, and and pink from the pink triangle has caught on as well- and the colors of the gay flag were no different. Baker explained that his colors each stood for a different aspect of gay and lesbian life:
  • Hot pink for sexuality,
  • Red for life,
  • Orange for healing,
  • Yellow for the sun,
  • Green for nature,
  • Blue for art,
  • Indigo for harmony,
  • Violet for spirit.
Later that year, when the city’s first openly gay supervisor, Harvey Milk, was assassinated, the 1979 Pride Parade Committee found in Baker’s flag the perfect symbol for the entire gay community to unite under in protest of this tragedy. The committee got rid of the indigo stripe to make the colors evenly divisible along the parade route: red, orange, and yellow on one side of the street; green, blue, and purple on the other."

lambda.org/symbols.htm

Does anyone know what the symbol on the rainbow flag is? When I first saw it I thought it was the key symbol on the Vatican flag but, upon closer examination, it is not. Just curious… The ranbow flag is definitely the gay pride flag (same colors, same order).

-C
 
Shoshana says,

"So, this priest told me that this was true and most priests were homosexual. If homosexuality was not allowed, there would be hardly any priests at all. Now that was earth-shattering. Well, you could still be homosexual and still live by the vow of celibacy no different than a heterosexual priest. Well…I guess, but do they??? "

Shoshana**, **if you think about it, over the course of the last 2000 yrs. it may well have been that a disproportionate number of priests have at least had homosexual leanings. (It is not as black and white as the gay lobby would have you believe. Some people claim to go both ways with equal enthusiasm) But, if we are to be faithful to the Church and the Bible we clearly cannot pass any moral judgement upon anyone because of their “sexual orientation” as it is now known. In the case of a homosexual, unless he was to force himself to marry, his option as a Christian is only celibacy. Thus, it would be natural for him to enter a profession where celibacy is a requirement. His sexual leanings would of course be a special cross for him to bear, but anyone who is sincerely following God’s will in this deserves our love and prayers, including and especially priests. Perhaps, in some sense this is God’s way of giving them a place for them to serve Him.
Giving way to urges and practicing homosexuality, within or without the seminary, or the parish, is a mortal sin as it would be for a heterosexual priest to break his vows. That is not to equate the two, for homosexual practice is mortal sin in any context.
Personally, if I knew that my priest was homosexually inclined, it would not change my opinion of him. I would still go to him for Confession, for guidance, for the Eucharist, and I would still love him and pray for him. And I would have the same concern if he broke his vows.
I guess we might say that Bill Clinton’s much touted "Don’t ask, don’t tell, " policy has been around a long time. The blatant defiance of Church teaching, the promiscuity and licentiousness is more a product of the pagan culture around us, and I hope it is less widespread than it appears.
 
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Calvin:
Does anyone know what the symbol on the rainbow flag is? When I first saw it I thought it was the key symbol on the Vatican flag but, upon closer examination, it is not. Just curious… The ranbow flag is definitely the gay pride flag (same colors, same order).

-C
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I emailed Mark Brown (I think that was his name) from that website and asked him if they do have a ‘Gay Mass’ and what was the meaning of the rainbow colored flags.

I will post here his response to my email. If it does turn out that they have a ‘Gay Mass’ then I am sending emails to their Bishop and the nearest Cardinal I can find.

But I will post whatever they give me. I encourage everyone here to email as well if it does turn out to be right…Lord I hope not.

God Bless
 
I have also read “Goodbye Goodmen”. The author does point out that in seminaries that have returned to orthodoxy enrollment is full. One such example is in Denver. Archbishop Chaput closed the “Pink Palace” and opened St John Vianney.
Re-read chapter 13.

The church will survive! Satan will not prevail!
 
this is the reply I had just recieved from this guy from the parish mentioned above.
Dear Mr. #########,
We are not a parish, but a church in the archdiocese under the care of the Society of Jesus.
When the Mass is celebrated, the Roman Rite is used.
With Noah and his descendants we rejoice in the sign of God’s everlasting covenant.
Peace to you.
Mark Brown
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So, he didnt answer the question I posted as to whether they have a ‘Gay Mass’ or not.

What is your takes on it?
 
Thank you for your comments. I guess I didn’t make myself clear here. I do not know exactly how to quote from script but I did say that homosexuals would have to take a vow of celibacy. Personally, I do not care what the inclination of a certain individual is whether homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or asexual. They all have to take a vow of celibacy, this is a fact. It doesn’t color my perception whether receiving direction (been in spiritual direction for over 20 years), sacraments or sharing coffee. I should have made that clear. I am sorry. Actually I feel very ‘safe’ in their company.

Where I caused some confusion is my next sarcastic comment and I paraphrase…but do they? Forgive me. This would be between them and God. I pray intensely for priests…they are the greatest gift that Jesus left us, it is only they who can transubstantiate. Where would we get fed? We surely need them. And I always show my gratitude to them for a good homily, etc. I remember a story from Fr. Corapi. He mentioned that in a certain village there was a priest who had a mistress. The people were scandalized and approached Francis of Assissi to talk to him. Francis goes to the rectory and it is the priest who answers the door, and in the inspiring humility of Francis, he knelt before the priest and kissed his hands to show his reverence to the ‘alter Christus’. From then on, the priest led a very austere and holy life. I guess St. Francis’ holiness was contagious…

I did read that chapter about some of the reforms in seminaries. But it is still a fighting battle. Thank God we can bank on Jesus’ words that hell will never prevail against Mother Church…

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
😦 It really is a shame! Let’s remember to keep in our hearts the true teachings of our Lord, and pray that rogue Catholics will come to their senses!
 
First off, the Novus Ordo Jesuits have replaced First Friday devotions to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus with “Taize” services.
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I’d say that statement is a bit overreaching.

The parish I do daily Mass at (across from my office building) is a Jesuit parish.

The devotions to the Sacred Heart there are 100% Catholic and beautiful.

Immediately after Mass, we all recite the Act of Consecration to the Sacred Heart and the Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart.

If that’s what they do in Taize, more power to 'em.
 
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Has anyone looked through the rest of that page? I’m not sure I entirely understand what he is saying, but it seems to me that a lot of it is garbage. If that is true, is it possible that he is misinterpreting the rainbow “flag”?
 
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