Gay Pride Masses

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I hope I didn’t sound like I was lecturing in my comments, Shoshana.

If it sounded that way, my apologies.

I’ve given this subject a lot of thought, as I watch the gradual and continual sexual degradation of almost everyone around us. It’s depressing and requires a continuous effort not to let it drag me in as well, it is so pervasive.

I think what the priests have been affected by as well as the rest of us, is this pagan ethic that sexual intercourse is somehow a right. It is rarely expressed that bluntly, but if you bear it mind as you hear various public commentators, celebrities, and basically anyone with an opinion talk about sexual issues and practices, that presupposition underlies much of it. It is a given.

The other issues such as birth control, abortion, homosexual marriage, etc. flow naturally from that presupposition.

And, of course, as Catholics, we look at the issue from a totally different perspective. It is when we let ourselves slip into that mind-set around us that we tend to find ourselves chafing at the moral teachings of Mother Church.

Just my thoughts.
 
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CathAnFanatical:
Dear Mr. #########,
We are not a parish, but a church in the archdiocese under the care of the Society of Jesus.
When the Mass is celebrated, the Roman Rite is used.
With Noah and his descendants we rejoice in the sign of God’s everlasting covenant.
Peace to you.
Mark Brown
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So, he didnt answer the question I posted as to whether they have a ‘Gay Mass’ or not.

What is your takes on it?
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It is not my church but…

If someone participated in a cross burning and you asked him about it and he said “it is an ancient Celtic spiritual ritual” what would you think of his response?

In the same manner the rainbow flag (that exact same rainbow flag with the same colors and stripe order) is the symbol of the gay liberation movement. (See the link I posted earlier.) To say “well it is the sign of Noah” seems like a dodge to me.

Noah didn’t fly a flag from the ark dude!

Symbols don’t happen in a vaccum. They have meaning precisely because of what people do with them. To take the flag of gay liberation and fly it over the alter is, at best, semiotic ignorance and, at worst, a subversive dig at Church teachings.

-C
 
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CathAnFanatical:
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Dear Mr. #########,
We are not a parish, but a church in the archdiocese under the care of the Society of Jesus.
When the Mass is celebrated, the Roman Rite is used.
With Noah and his descendants we rejoice in the sign of God’s everlasting covenant.
Peace to you.
Mark Brown
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So, he didnt answer the question I posted as to whether they have a ‘Gay Mass’ or not.

What is your takes on it?
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I can almost see Mr. Brown winking as he typed this. 😉
 
:banghead:

OH boy…this just turns my stomach. What consolation do we have other than they will have to stand before God Almighty and try to figure out what to say when the Lord asks, “Why did you not follow the teachings of my church, and why did you purposefully lead my flock astray?”

Don’t want to be in their shoes.

Personally, there are two things that come to mind over this:
  1. I have such anger in my heart over this!
  2. I have such pity and have to remember to pray for them.
If this isn’t the beginning of the end times, then I don’t want to stick around to see how much worse it gets. 😛
 
Macaddict:

I would be very careful with Traditio. It a site of traditionalism that has broken away from the Pope. Actually, to them there has been no Pope since Pius XII. When Vatican II started all of its pastoral changes, it caused the traditionalists to react and seperate themselves from John XXIII and the successive Popes. It snowballed into some ungly accusations. One of them is that every Mass said since Vatican II are not masses because the wording was charged. Priests ordained since that period of time are really not ordained. And the list goes on…There is a specific name but I always have trouble remembering it. ‘Se…’ (maybe there is a good reason why I do not remember it). There is also many conspiracy theories which I hope to disentangle for my research work on writing down Russian errors on the rest of the world. This is what this group is accusing the ‘Novus ordo’…the New Order of things. Anyway, I am rambling. Please do not confuse these traditionalists with the ones who are in unity with the Pope.

Les,

Please feel free to deliberate. It was just my conscience bothering me. Yes we are soaked in this sexual permissiveness. And this includes also my children, my brothers and sisters, etc. It gets depressing sometimes. I have learnt to love the sinner and hate the sin. I also ask Jesus to give me his gift of mercy…it is not an easy path usually. What part of Canada do you come from, eh???

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
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condan:
I checked out their web site and this picture is right on it. I’m sick to my stomach.

Sorry, but endorsing sin? Give me a break!

What’s next? Adulterers Pride Masses? Hit Man Pride Masses? Liars Pride Masses? Masturbation Pride Masses?

C’mon!!!
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Annulment?
 
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OhioBob:
I can almost see Mr. Brown winking as he typed this. 😉
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Yeah he knows what the flag is for…

A letter on the parish’s website (in commeration of Gay Pride Day 2002) notes: “The week, which was heralded by the raising of the Pride colors in the City Hall plaza last Friday…”

jucboston.org/2002/carroll09062002.html

The pride colors are the flag that was flying over the altar.

-C
 
Was it Pius XII or John XXIII who said, paraphrasing, “The Devil has entered the sanctuary”? Well, there he is dressed in rainbow colors. Yet you don’t even see a crucifix at the altar!

God have mercy on us. We have to pray for the conversion of these “priests” who pervert the holy sacrifice of the Mass and pray for more orthodox priests.
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The Barrister:
First, I’m getting rather tired of folks hiding behind self-appointed labels. It’s “homosexual,” not gay. It’s “lust,” not pride. We would do well to use the more accurate terminology. But that’s a personal pecadillo.
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There is a difference btn homosexual and gay. Gay men actively live the gay lifestyle. There are many commendable individuals who suffer same sex attraction but remain chaste. They are homosexual, but not gay.
 
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WhiteDove:
Wow, unbelievable! :eek:

Also, there are, unfortunately, some gay priests who lead double lives and are sexually active in the gay lifestyle in their off hours. They no longer believe such behaviour is a sin, no longer agree with church teaching, but don’t have the courage to leave the priesthood and get jobs in the real world.
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Nah. Any of these priests who is intellectually honest know that the behaviour is sinful … they just think that the price for avoiding the occasion of sin is too high.
 
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Bernadette64:
Was it Pius XII or John XXIII who said, paraphrasing, “The Devil has entered the sanctuary”?
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I believe it was Paul VI who said “The smoke of Satan has entered the Church.”
 
No offense…but that banner looks photoshop-ed. If it’s real…it’s a shame. But, I’ve noticed a growing trend of various anti-Vatican II sites digitally manipulating images and taking various photos out of context.
 
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agname:
No offense…but that banner looks photoshop-ed. If it’s real…it’s a shame. But, I’ve noticed a growing trend of various anti-Vatican II sites digitally manipulating images and taking various photos out of context.
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In post 36, one of the posters (claims) to have posted an e-mail he received from the church administrator in response to a question about the banner. The response seemed to assume that the flag was genuine

You can also see some wire off to the top right in the light of the skylight holding the banner up. That would be a hard detail to photoshop in.

(Edit: I just went to the JUC website and this picture is posted on the front page jucboston.org/ – it is real.)

I’m still interested in finding out what the symbol on the flag is…

-C
 
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agname:
No offense…but that banner looks photoshop-ed. If it’s real…it’s a shame. But, I’ve noticed a growing trend of various anti-Vatican II sites digitally manipulating images and taking various photos out of context.
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Most of the OP and the picture seem to come from a site called TRADITIO traditio.com/

One of the current posts there says
Boston Catholics are grieving, so says Fox News, over the loss of 65 diocesan churches and are even more downhearted to learn that their former places of worship are being sold as luxury condominiums.

I lament the lost of traditional churches too, but let’s put this into perspective. These beautiful traditional church buildings were turned into the pagan temples of the New Order forty years ago after Vatican II. They are like the Gothic Anglican churches, beautiful on the outside, but empty within. As the great John Henry Cardinal Newman, a convert from Anglicanism, said of them, in the words of the Angel after the Resurrection: “He is not here.” Well, He is not in these churches turned Novus Ordo. Better to give true worship in the open air, in a hotel room, in a small chapel than in these great empty tombs.
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Any site the refers to the Holy Eucharist as the “Novus Ordo kommunion kookie” gets a BIG thumbs down from me. :tsktsk:

-D
 
Mattyp:

There is nothing new under the sun and if this is the beginning of the end, nobody really knows. Mother Church has gone through this kind of sexual perversions many times through Her history. We have the media to thank for and we are being bombarded continously about it…especially about the Catholic Church. Like as if these scandals do not exist in other denominations. Go figure! There are a lot of anti-Catholics out there. You would only have to read about the many rogue Popes and their lifestyles to give anyone a reality check that this stuff has been ongoing. Since anything goes these days (or so it seems), everything will be paraded and flaunted. Painful news…

Darcee,

Read my post on Traditio. I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

Shoshana
 
I didnt see that ‘Gay Pride 2002’ thing until it was posted, thanks for that.

I am emailing him again. I mean, somethings gotta be done.

Silence speaks louder than words!

Here…email em and tell them how disappointing they are for helping Satan destroy our Church from the inside out.

look at the Scretary, its a nun…disgusting 😦

Secretary
Sr. Alice Kirby, C.S.J akirbycsj@comcast.net

Administration Commission

Mary Burns
Don Geraghty
Stephen Greene
Matt Maguire mary.burns1@comcast.net
gnod@aol.com
greenes@polaroid.com
matthiasmaguire@yahoo.com Community Ministries Commission
John F. Kelly *(Pastoral Council Chair) *
Joe O’Keefe
Jean Marino
Melon Regis-Civetta
john.kelly65@verizon.com
joe.o’keefe@ci.boston.ma.us
Jean.Marino@state.ma.us
nanniemelon@aol.com Spiritual Life Commission
Susan Martin
Jim Mootos
Tony Nicosia
Jonathan Stone

martin5s@verizon.net
james.mootos@shaws.com
tnicosia@comcast.net
pianobman@comcast.net
 
ok my formatting didnt go so well up above…sorry about that.

I sent them another email. Call me crazy but im not one to take this sitting down…although since im at the computer I should be sitting down.

this was my email…bad as it may be, the damage is done.​

Paul VI once said “The smoke of Satan has entered the Church.”. Well, there he is dressed in rainbow colors. Yet you don’t even see a crucifix at the altar!

Whether you are a Parish or not, you are leading people astray. The Rainbow colors is obviously used for the ‘Gay Pride’ junk. And the letters about the ‘Gay Pride 2002’ on the site is disgusting. The Gay Lifestyle is an abomination and should not be apart of such a thing. No, its not a sin to be Gay, its a sin to live the Lifestyle and to promote it!

Dont you think the Church has been through enough? No wonder there are so many confused, uneducated Catholics out here. They see people like me and other Faithful then see people like you who go against Church teachings, and they wind up leaving for a prot church.

I am sending emails to the Bishops and Cardinals in your area about this, also sending your email addresses to Faithful Catholics who have already expressed their outrage in this.

Since I dont like to jump to conclusions below is what outraged me the most:

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It may take years, but by the power of God and the Blessed Mother the heretics in My Church are going to be weeded out.
Steve #######
Church Militant​

notice I used some of your guys good stuff, like the saying from the Holy Father…seemed to get my point across right?

God Bless
 
**NOTES FROM THE DIRECTOR
TENTH SUNDAY OF ORDINARY TIME
SUNDAY, JUNE 9, 2002

**Dear Friends,

We resume our Sunday observance of Ordinary Time today at the conclusion of a week that, here in Boston, has been far from ordinary. All through the week, the city has joined the gay and lesbian community of New England in celebrating Boston Gay Pride 2002. A community often marginalized has held center stage.

The week, which was heralded by the raising of the Pride colors in the City Hall plaza last Friday, began with the yearly AIDS Walk last Sunday, at once a sobering reminder of our mortality and an encouraging reminder of our solidarity. Yesterday’s Pride Parade and celebration of Pride on the Boston Common brought to a colorful conclusion the official events of the week. The sparkling sunlight and gentle warmth that pervaded the day helped make the occasion festive for the thousands in attendance.

I’m grateful for the thirty who represented the J.U.C. in the parade, and particularly to the Chair of our Pastoral Council, Bob Muti, for helping to carry the J.U.C. banner along the route. Like so many other supportive straight members of our community, Bob gives strong and bold witness to that care for all God’s people to which the Gospels call us.
 
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