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Attending an attempted wedding celebration of a homosexual couple - is approving.
No it’s not. That’s a very black-and-white dualistic world-view.

In reality life is much messier than that. You can’t lecture someone on what to do without fully knowing the nature of the relationship. What I would do is based on what I know about my sons and may or may not be right for the OP.

There’s a delicate balance between having a child take offense and ostracizing his parents, and the need to remain an positive influence in our children’s lives, in other words to be in a position to continue evangelizing one’s family. If one’s son says “it’s OK dad, I know you have trouble with this and I won’t ask you to attend something you don’t believe in and I’ll still love you no matter what”, that’s one thing. But not all sons or daughters would do that. That’s a very personal aspect of one’s relationship with one’s children, and only the OP knows what kind of relationship he has with his son.

What is wrong is to pontificate about what someone should do in a case like this without knowing anything about the nature of the relationship the OP has with his children. The potential do to serious harm to a family relationship is not something we should take lightly on an anonymous Internet forum because very real people risk being hurt. Being ostracized means no longer being in a position to do what it is perhaps our second duty as Christians (after loving God and our neighbours): evangelize. If we drive someone away from the Truth, as you very well know, we will have a lot to answer for on Judgement Day. The OP is in a very delicate position that none of us wish to be in, and I think he should think it through very carefully to determine what course of action would better work towards evangelizing his son.

As Saint Paul says:
If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,[a] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
The most useful thing we can do for the OP is to pray for his loving discernment and perhaps advise him to seek the counsel of his pastor.
 
Have you talked to your pastor? Does your parrish or diocese offer any kind of support or outreach to family members of people with SSA? I think this may be better handled by talking to someone in real life than an internet forum.
 
It’s your son.
Go.
Shall I attend his joining a Satanist group for his first black Mass?

Its your son.
Go.

Should I attend his celebration of joining ISIS?

Its your son.
Go.

No none of the above.

One must love ones son not act against that love by going.

One loves, loves and loves. But does so in truth and not with actions that are not according to truth and thus not according to love.
 
If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal…
Exactly.

and:

"Only in truth does charity shine forth, only in truth can charity be authentically lived.

Without truth, charity degenerates into sentimentality. Love becomes an empty shell, to be filled in an arbitrary way. In a culture without truth, this is the fatal risk facing love. It falls prey to contingent subjective emotions and opinions, the word “love” is abused and distorted, to the point where it comes to mean the opposite."

~ Pope Benedict XVI

CARITAS IN VERITATE

We evangelize with great love - yes love. And yes truth. One can sit down with ones son and in a very loving and gentle way explain why one is not attending.
 
Q:

How do we deal with our daughter’s same-sex “wedding”?

How do I address this serious dilemma: Our daughter is planning to openly exchange wedding vows with her same-sex partner next year. Our daughter has been openly gay for ten years, and has been committed to her partner for over three years. My wife and I have explained with charity that we cannot be a witness to this so-called marriage, but we are committed to continue to love the two of them as only parents can. They are respectful with us, but we know our absence from the ceremony will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. Can you give us any guidance on how to cope with the rift in our future relationship with our daughter and her future spouse?

A:

It sounds like you’ve already done what you must do and are now vacillating because of your daughter’s anticipated response. I know this is hard, but you must allow her to feel whatever she is going to feel. If she is upset or bitter because you cannot violate your own conscience to participate in sacrilege (which is what an abuse of the sacrament of matrimony indeed is), that, to be blunt, is her dilemma. Perhaps if her own family remains strong in their convictions by not participating in her ceremony, she will understand how serious the consequences of what she is doing. Trying to soothe her would be fruitless and counter-productive.

I do advise that you stop referring to your daughter’s lesbian “partner” as her “spouse.” To do so lends credibility to what they are trying to do. For lack of a better word, you could use the term “partner,” but I would recommend avoiding that whenever possible, especially to them or to outsiders who may misinterpret your use of the term as approving of the relationship. Treat your daughter’s companion as you would if the woman were your daughter’s platonic roommate, not as you would a daughter-in-law.

Michelle Arnold Michelle
Catholic Answers Apologist

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=517178&highlight=gay+wedding

and

another: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=826842&highlight=gay+wedding
 
Shall I attend his joining a Satanist group for his first black Mass?

Its your son.
Go.

Should I attend his celebration of joining ISIS?

Its your son.
Go.

No none of the above.

One must love ones son not act against that love by going.

One loves, loves and loves. But does so in truth and not with actions that are not according to truth and thus not according to love.
With all due respect these comparisons are hyperbole and are comparing apples and oranges.

A closer comparison would be “my divorced Protestant is getting remarried, should I go?”

Not quite the same as joining ISIS wouldn’t you agree?
 
With all due respect these comparisons are hyperbole and are comparing apples and oranges.

A closer comparison would be “my divorced Protestant is getting remarried, should I go?”

Not quite the same as joining ISIS wouldn’t you agree?
It is common practice to make a point by giving an example that will be very clear. It helps one see.
 
Q:

How do we deal with our daughter’s same-sex “wedding”?

How do I address this serious dilemma: Our daughter is planning to openly exchange wedding vows with her same-sex partner next year. Our daughter has been openly gay for ten years, and has been committed to her partner for over three years. My wife and I have explained with charity that we cannot be a witness to this so-called marriage, but we are committed to continue to love the two of them as only parents can. They are respectful with us, but we know our absence from the ceremony will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. Can you give us any guidance on how to cope with the rift in our future relationship with our daughter and her future spouse?

A:

It sounds like you’ve already done what you must do and are now vacillating because of your daughter’s anticipated response. I know this is hard, but you must allow her to feel whatever she is going to feel. If she is upset or bitter because you cannot violate your own conscience to participate in sacrilege (which is what an abuse of the sacrament of matrimony indeed is), that, to be blunt, is her dilemma. Perhaps if her own family remains strong in their convictions by not participating in her ceremony, she will understand how serious the consequences of what she is doing. Trying to soothe her would be fruitless and counter-productive.

I do advise that you stop referring to your daughter’s lesbian “partner” as her “spouse.” To do so lends credibility to what they are trying to do. For lack of a better word, you could use the term “partner,” but I would recommend avoiding that whenever possible, especially to them or to outsiders who may misinterpret your use of the term as approving of the relationship. Treat your daughter’s companion as you would if the woman were your daughter’s platonic roommate, not as you would a daughter-in-law.

Michelle Arnold Michelle
Catholic Answers Apologist

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=517178&highlight=gay+wedding

and

another: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=826842&highlight=gay+wedding
 
Absolutely. You must attend to support your son or you will regret it. I realize that I am the voice of dissent here, but I’m also probably the only one commenting here with a gay son. For most, this is merely a hypothetical situation, in which they have the luxury of considering the situation without actually having to deal with any real life consequences. Please do not listen to them. You will only damage your relationship with your son if you are not there to support him.
:rolleyes: Sylvia - you certainly are not alone in your views, since little o’l me totally agrees with you. Your son certainly understands your views on gay civil marriage. Your attendance at this civil ceremony will not cause the sky to fall or California to fall in the oven - what it will do is assure your son that your love is there forever. Let’s be real and face the facts that civil marriage for LGBTQ people is going to be upheld by the SCOTUS in late June without a doubt. Not attending your sons wedding would achieve no purpose except to ruin his day and most likely alienate him from you. A dear friend made the decision that he and his wife would not attend their daughters wedding held at a park because it wasn’t a sacramental marriage ceremony. If you ask him now, four years later, if it was worth it loosing relationships with six of his seven kids, I believe he would answer NO.
 
Hello! Can my wife and I attend my gay son’s wedding? It probably won’t be in any church, but we would like to be there.
It’s a matter of prudence: will your attendance be more likely to promote the ultimate salvation of your son - and partner - or will your non-attendance? That is the touchstone. After prayer, consultation with your priest and considering what you know of your son, what do you believe best answers that question?

Only you know your son here and have the best shot of knowing what is best - and even you may be wrong. Certainly no one on this Forum knows for certain the right answer in the individual case.
 
Shall I attend his joining a Satanist group for his first black Mass?

Its your son.
Go.

Should I attend his celebration of joining ISIS?

Its your son.
Go.

No none of the above.

One must love ones son not act against that love by going.

One loves, loves and loves. But does so in truth and not with actions that are not according to truth and thus not according to love.
He’s not joining a satanic cult or ISIS. Hyperbole.
We’ll just have to disagree about what is the “loving” thing to do.
 
Q:

How do we deal with our daughter’s same-sex “wedding”?

How do I address this serious dilemma: Our daughter is planning to openly exchange wedding vows with her same-sex partner next year. Our daughter has been openly gay for ten years, and has been committed to her partner for over three years. My wife and I have explained with charity that we cannot be a witness to this so-called marriage, but we are committed to continue to love the two of them as only parents can. They are respectful with us, but we know our absence from the ceremony will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. Can you give us any guidance on how to cope with the rift in our future relationship with our daughter and her future spouse?I

A:

It sounds like you’ve already done what you must do and are now vacillating because of your daughter’s anticipated response. I know this is hard, but you must allow her to feel whatever she is going to feel. If she is upset or bitter because you cannot violate your own conscience to participate in sacrilege (which is what an abuse of the sacrament of matrimony indeed is), that, to be blunt, is her dilemma. Perhaps if her own family remains strong in their convictions by not participating in her ceremony, she will understand how serious the consequences of what she is doing. Trying to soothe her would be fruitless and counter-productive.

I do advise that you stop referring to your daughter’s lesbian “partner” as her “spouse.” To do so lends credibility to what they are trying to do. For lack of a better word, you could use the term “partner,” but I would recommend avoiding that whenever possible, especially to them or to outsiders who may misinterpret your use of the term as approving of the relationship. Treat your daughter’s companion as you would if the woman were your daughter’s platonic roommate, not as you would a daughter-in-law.

Michelle Arnold Michelle
Catholic Answers Apologist

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=517178&highlight=gay+wedding

and

another: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=826842&highlight=gay+wedding
I could not disagree more with the “ostrich” position. You are free to call LGBTQ individuals homosexual, sodomites, queers or whatever, but they still exist. You may call gay people who have gone through a civil marriage ceremony roommates, best friends or life partners, but in the eyes of the civil authorities, they are spouses. If they have children, you will be a grandparent, not an interested onlooker. If you make the choice to not attend the wedding ceremony of your child, then the consequences are of your own doing. Myself, I cannot imagine not being present at my daughters wedding. Life is to short to lose your children over this issue. I realize that I’m in a very small minority on CAF that would follow my example in this situation, but thank goodness we have that choice.
 
He’s not joining a satanic cult or ISIS. Hyperbole.
Yes as I noted above it is common practice to use such clear examples to make the point clear. I is the very same principle involved in any of those gravely sinful acts.

And remember who used various kinds of speech to make a point? Jesus.

Jesus even spoke about if anyone came to him without “hating” their children - they could not be his disciples…

We of course know what he means within the kind of speech used then to make a point…a very important point.

He also said he households would be divided over him…

Which shall I choose? I affirm my child in gravely sinful actions by my attending so that there can be some sort of family peace - or to love him in great gentleness and with truth. Seeking as parents must do the true good of their children. Always choosing the good means to a good end. Choosing the authentic good of my child.

Be sure to see Catholic Answers Apologist and the Catechism and Pope Benedict XVI above. Truth and Love are to be always together.

Love without truth is not love- but contrary to love.
 
It’s a matter of prudence: will your attendance be more likely to promote the ultimate salvation of your son - and partner - or will your non-attendance? That is the touchstone. .
Prudence is *never *about choosing evil. It is never about choosing to do what is an approval and celebration of grave evil.

1806 Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”

1759 “An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention” (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. praec. 6). The end does not justify the means.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a7.htm#1806

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them: by participating directly and voluntarily in them…advising, praising, or approving them…

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm#V

And to borrow from Jimmy Akin’s (senior apologist at Catholic Answers) response to a different wedding question -the reason I quote is because of the explanation of the meaning of “attendance”:

“I would not attend such a wedding. In our culture, at least, attendance at a wedding represents a form of endorsement of and participation in the rite that is being enacted. For me to attend such a wedding would represent my endorsement of and participation in a sacrilegious rite, and that is something I will not do.” (from his blog)

Yes let all be done with great gentleness and great love but there are means that are not in keeping with truth and love and attending a gay wedding (including the scandal involved) is not the right means.
 
Yes as I noted above it is common practice to use such clear examples to make the point clear. I is the very same principle involved in any of those gravely sinful acts.

And remember who used various kinds of speech to make a point? Jesus.

Jesus even spoke about if anyone came to him without “hating” their children - they could not be his disciples…

We of course know what he means within the kind of speech used then to make a point…a very important point.

He also said he households would be divided over him…

Which shall I choose? I affirm my child in gravely sinful actions by my attending so that there can be some sort of family peace - or to love him in great gentleness and with truth. Seeking as parents must do the true good of their children. Always choosing the good means to a good end. Choosing the authentic good of my child.

Be sure to see Catholic Answers Apologist and the Catechism and Pope Benedict XVI above. Truth and Love are to be always together.

Love without truth is not love- but contrary to love.
Jesus dined with sinners.
He never said anything about staying away from them.
Sorry, we disagree.
 
Thanks for all of your comments. I know what I should ( or in this case not) do, but it still is hard!
You know, my stepdaughter is gay so I can relate. She knows how we feel about the whole thing which is that marriage can only be between a man and a woman, but because we love her unconditionally we would attend.
 
It’s a matter of prudence: will your attendance be more likely to promote the ultimate salvation of your son - and partner - or will your non-attendance? That is the touchstone. After prayer, consultation with your priest and considering what you know of your son, what do you believe best answers that question?

Only you know your son here and have the best shot of knowing what is best - and even you may be wrong. Certainly no one on this Forum knows for certain the right answer in the individual case.
Amen!
 
Jesus dined with sinners.
He never said anything about staying away from them.
Sorry, we disagree.
Yes I can “dine” with grave sinners. Sure.

That is not in question.

We are not talking “staying away from them” but not attending a “wedding celebration” that Jesus himself is not going to officiate at!

He is not going to “show up” for there is not going to be any marriage taking place -but rather the contrary to marriage.

One would be celebrating something that is gravely contrary to the persons involved and yes also gravely contrary marriage and yes gravely offensive in the objective order to our Lord.
 
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