Gay Youth Minister

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Benedict said that men wishing to enter the Priesthood who were homosexual could enter if they weren’t active within the past three years.
 
Quotes from Pope Francis on the topic of homosexuals:

“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?”

“When a person arrives before Jesus, Jesus certainly will not say: ‘Go away because you are homosexual."

"God made you this way and loves you this way, and the Pope loves you this way.”
 
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Why would Jesus care if someone is homosexual at the Judgement? Its the same as caring if someone is Asian or Middle Eastern.

So relating back to the OP - no I don’t see anything wrong with a gay youth minister if they aren’t acting on it. I have an aunt who is lesbian and she is a 3rd Order Dominican
 
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Take note of my earlier comment:
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When a priest was asked how do I explain gay marriage to my child?--and what the priest answered Moral Theology
Okay, so now this has devolved into a shouting match of bad information. Here’s the very basic, bottom line, distilled from the Catholic moral tradition: PEOPLE are created fundamentally good and in the image and likeness of God, and as such have a dignity due them in virtue of that. INCLINATIONS and ATTRACTIONS can be rightly ordered or they can be disordered. To ACT upon a disordered inclination is sinful. In the case of same-sex attraction, it is an inclination or an attraction, and since…
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Wow. This thread is incredibly sad. If you are gay, and you are reading this, you have my prayers! We don’t all hate you, or consider you pedophiles or mistakes. That type of vitriol is nearly unbelievable, and to have to endure it alone would be a heavy burden. I’m truly sorry.
 
powerandglory said:
Wow. This thread is incredibly sad. If you are gay, and you are reading this, you have my prayers! We don’t all hate you, or consider you pedophiles or mistakes. That type of vitriol is nearly unbelievable, and to have to endure it alone would be a heavy burden. I’m truly sorry.
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@powerandglory I cannot heart this post enough! 😀
 
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How does saying that add anything positive to this thread?
I’m going to stop posting or reading from this thread, it’s giving me anxiety reading some of these posts
 
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Why should anyone be concerned about homosexual youth ministers, as long as they’re in a stable, committed relationship?
 
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What do you mean add anything positive? The john Jay report is a fact. I thought we were trying to prove that the “crisis” in the church had nothing to do with homosexuality. Well, the John Jay report, the official church report, contradicts that claim… period! I wouldn’t want an open homosexual (different than SSA) teaching my children any more than I would want an unmarried, cohabiting heterosexual male or female being a youth minister…
I’m so sick and tired of being called a hater because I do not believe homosexuality is of God…I mean Really?!
Just because I believe I was the smartest, funniest, most beautiful woman (Our Blessed Virgin Mother first of course) to grace this planet, doesn’t make it so. Just as being born “gay” isn’t so…
It’s a myth, a unicorn. Does humanity, each and every one of us have a cross??? Yes! SSA may be yours… we do not hate you for that, but we would respect you soooo much more if you would carry it with grace, rather than use it as a crutch…
Lord have mercy on us for not accepting the grace to follow you, to be completely selfless in your passion.
 
Bre6785 said:
No problem, this is pretty cut and paste for the crowd whom can’t stand fact vs fiction debate/conversation. I haven’t described anything that degrades a SSA person. However, I will not play PC bias on a Catholic forum. Homosexuality is intrinsically evil point blank. Read the Catholic Catechism. My heart aches, and I pray for SSA people just as I do for my athiest brother. But, please shut down a Catholic forum that hurts your feelings…
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Saying that the Same-Sex Attraction (SSA) of an “SSA person” (i.e. a gay person) is “intrinsically evil” would feel degrading to most people with SSA since this attraction is something that they’re not responsible for and is the only way that many of them have ever experienced their sexuality. And whether or not someone’s sexuality is something that they were born with, it is nevertheless an important and core part of most individuals. No one likes being told that such an important part of themselves which will always be there is evil.
 
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I had a response typed out, but fear being called a hater, 'phobe or worse. I think that, since the sex scandal is 81% homosexual (John Jay Report) in nature, prudence suggests against allowing this.

Having said that, the same might be thought in cases of, say OCD, or obvious vices, when we need the purest examples that can be found.
 
po18guy said:
I had a response typed out, but fear being called a hater, 'phobe or worse. I think that, since the sex scandal is 81% homosexual (John Jay Report) in nature, prudence suggests against allowing this.

Having said that, the same might be thought in cases of, say OCD, or obvious vices, when we need the purest examples that can be found.
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What is there about OCD that would automatically disqualify someone from holding a position as a youth leader? OCD is something that can often be controlled with medication or therapy and is similar to something like depression or ADHD or Bipolar Disorder, all of which can also be controlled with medication and/or therapy. None of these detracts in any way from someone’s “purity”. The Olympic swimmer, Michael Phelps, has ADHD. The famous writer Charles Dickins showed signs of OCD. Winston Churchill’s doctor, Lord Moran, diagnosed him with Bipolar Disorder. These are or were all very capable individuals.
 
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As a parent, I want my kids’ youth minister to be teaching and living a Christian lifestyle.
As an adult, I know we all have our own temptations we have to deal with and work though.
As a private individual, I have a great deal of respect for anybody who can live in chastity in our sex-saturated culture, regardless of their sexual preference.
 
Can you clarify where I’m “delusional”? (Nice personal attack by the way). Can you provide evidence that homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia?
I was abused by a priest as a teen. I’m a woman. He obviously wasn’t gay, but he was a pedophile and used his position of power to abuse others.
Nowhere have I said that homosexual actions are to be applauded. I do believe that people with these inclinations have a heavy burden to bear, and I will pray for them. I also think that they have just as much right to any position in society if they do their best, as we all should, to live a good life. Why should someone be so vilified simply because they face different trials and temptations than us?
 
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Why should anyone be concerned about homosexual youth ministers, as long as they’re in a stable, committed relationship?
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If they are in a homosexual relationship, that action is immoral.
Ther secular world is aglow about the
Phrases “stable and committed relationship” but this has nothing to do with Christianity. Lots of evil is justified by those buzzwords.
 
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That’s the point homosexuality is not synonomous with pedophilia. A small percentage of victims were pre pubescent (male and female). Pre pubescent is pedophilia. Post pubescent is hetero or homo acts. The John Jay report, which is easily found shows without a doubt that 81% of victims were teenage boys. I don’t know how that can be any more clearly stated. I am sorry I asked if you were delusional, it just seems that if your setting factual evidence, and still deny what it says, there is clearly some delusion taking place.
Delusion:
A delusion is a mistaken belief that is held with strong conviction even in the presence of superior evidence to the contrary
 
OnAJourney said:
Gay people are not synonymous with pedophiles. I’m gay, I’m attracted to ADULT members of the same sex. I have absolutely no desire to abuse children. The clergy members that have been caught and put in prison weren’t abusing children because they were gay. They were abusing children because they had serious psychological issues and had easy access to children who saw them as authority figures.
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Your point about abuse is accurate, and needs to be heard.
Besides that, there’s a separate issue. Some persons use the word gay to refer only to “I have same sex attraction”. Others use it to mean “I think there is nothing inherently wrong with homosexual acts, and those persons have an equal right to marry”.

Through no fault of his or her own, the homosexual Christian is forced to make extra clarification other Christians, and other gay persons, are not asked to make. This also makes it harder to find non judgemental social support, when they just wanted to get on with life.
 
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Through no fault of his or her own, the homosexual Christian is forced to make extra clarification other Christians, and other gay persons, are not asked to make. This also makes it harder to find non judgemental social support, when they just wanted to get on with life.
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That’s absolutely correct. And it frustrates me to no end
 
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