Gays In The Military

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I do think that the main reason we have seen such abrasion on this is that many in the military might be homophobic, and actively serving gays might impair function. Is that fair? No. But ‘fair’ isn’t in the military’s job description.

The word ‘homophobic’ often gets mis-used. In what way do you mean it?

 

[John_Pascendi]

NO ,since hospitals do not accept blood from a homosexual what is going to happen in the military. Also why should a guy who is turned on sexually only by other guys have it their way…I should have women in the barracks for the likes of me.what fun…in the showers etc. As to jobs etc…the great boy scouts wont allow homosexuals into the scout movement (thats why the tolerant ACLU has been waging relentous war against that organization) it makes sense not to increase temptation. What happens if they have a lovers quarrel ,two homosexuals in the same barracks. this should all be up to professional military men and women…its their life style and they know best! I recall taking basic training down at Fort Bragg and some cook got infected with the crabs…our latrine was declared off limits and no one wanted us to visit theirs either.What would happen if Rock Hudsons disease broke out in a camp…why ask for more problems then is necessary. One of my buddies is a life guard in a large public beach and he refuses to give mouth to mouth at the homosexual beach section…and so it goes…sad for all concerned.

 

[MariaTS]

I think all US citizens should be in the military for a minimum of 2 years sometime in their life and since homosexuals are US citizens, well you know my answer.

 

[John_Pascendi]

I do think that the main reason we have seen such abrasion on this is that many in the military might be homophobic, and actively serving gays might impair function. Is that fair? No. But ‘fair’ isn’t in the military’s job description.

Here we go on this topic also…such and such then add ‘phobic’ which means of course…all in the mind…as in the latest bit…calling one a ‘rascist’ if again they disagree with the secular humanistic agenda. never ever debate just marginalize by name calling. I recall back years back at the job I was the only one to support Sen.Barry Goldwater for president and so I was called anti-semitic names.by what we used to call …Kennedy worshippers! Goldwater being part Jewish and so I was so attacked. Of course the main smear against this great man was that he would take us to war and so LBJ won on a peace ticket (shades of Wilson,FDR and Truman) and within 3 months of his victory,good ole LBJ takes us over to another no win war in a place called Nam…none are so blind as those who will not see!

 

[Shin]

I think all US citizens should be in the military for a minimum of 2 years sometime in their life and since homosexuals are US citizens, well you know my answer.

The military is good for teaching discipline and love of country, but the same method is not suitable for both genders just as it is not right to force people together in situations where there will be inappropriate attraction.

 

[larkin31]

The military is good for teaching discipline and love of country, but the same method is not suitable for both genders just as it is not right to force people together in situations where there will be inappropriate attraction.

Having gays in the military in the past has always been the case. What’s the problem now?

 

[HauntedJame]

A lot of countries have openly gay service men and women. I don’t think sexuality matters when you are defending and serving your country.

I would like to see the US military have openly gay service men and women. I think it is about time.

 

[Wooly_Wolf]

Having gays in the military in the past has always been the case. What’s the problem now?

In the history of the US military, when have we been ok with open gays in our ranks? Just because the Romans and Greeks were ok with homosexual activity, does not mean we are or that we should follow their military precedents. Perhaps we should pillage villages when we go through them? And rape the women while we’re at it, because that’s always been the case with armies in the past.

 

[larkin31]

In the history of the US military, when have we been ok with open gays in our ranks? Just because the Romans and Greeks were ok with homosexual activity, does not mean we are or that we should follow their military precedents. Perhaps we should pillage villages when we go through them? And rape the women while we’re at it, because that’s always been the case with armies in the past.

Gays did not wear rainbow buttons, no. But soldiers knew who they were (frequently), and then worked and fought with them like professionals. This has already been stated on this thread. Gays have been in our military through all history, and frequently their presence has been well-known. They exist, likely, in every profession, every neighborhood, and one in ten families.

 

[Sticknirvana]

When you legitimize sin you condemn yourself. The homosexual lifestyle is a terrible sin. If you condone and promote it, you do yourself and those who practice it terrible harm. You will be judged justly by Almighty God and if you think His Justice is of no concern, look carefully at a Crucifix.

I pray for all who are immersed in the homosexual agenda. I write this in humility and concern. I cannot judge anyone, but as Catholics, we are called to speak out against sin. You cannot say “Catholic, I think.” You must choose sides immediately. We don’t know when the Lord will call us to account.

May The Lord Bless us all and have mercy on us. May our Blessed Mother and the Saints intercede for us now and at the hour of our death.

 

[BobObob]

When you legitimize sin you condemn yourself…

I just wanted to point out that allowing gays to serve in the military is no more legitimizing homosexual acts than allowing fornicators into the military is legitimizing fornication.

Neither case are you condoning the sexual sin because their service in the military should have little to do with their sex lives or their sexual orientation.

 

[larkin31]

I just wanted to point out that allowing gays to serve in the military is no more legitimizing homosexual acts than allowing fornicators into the military is legitimizing fornication.

Neither case are you condoning the sexual sin because their service in the military should have little to do with their sex lives or their sexual orientation.

Indeed.

 

[MariaTS]

The military is good for teaching discipline and love of country, but the same method is not suitable for both genders just as it is not right to force people together in situations where there will be inappropriate attraction.

Heterosexual men have inappropriate attraction to women, should they then be barred from the military because there are heterosexual women in it? Or should heterosexual women be barred because heterosexual men have an inappropriate attraction to them? “If you look with lust in your heart then you have committed adultery” - Jesus Christ.

 

[Shin]

Heterosexual men have inappropriate attraction to women, should they then be barred from the military because there are heterosexual women in it? Or should heterosexual women be barred because heterosexual men have an inappropriate attraction to them? “If you look with lust in your heart then you have committed adultery” - Jesus Christ.

Of course women as a general rule don’t belong in the military. It’s a male occupation.

This disregarded, there are separate dorms, showers, etc. all that have to be prepared in such cases. In the case of people who have given into homosexual disorders, there again if they are unfortunately allowed in the military, it would be proper to have separate facilities.

 

[MariaTS]

Of course women as a general rule don’t belong in the military. It’s a male occupation.

This disregarded, there are separate dorms, showers, etc. all that have to be prepared in such cases. In the case of people who have given into homosexual disorders, there again if they are unfortunately allowed in the military, it would be proper to have separate facilities.

There are no male or female occupations, any person who says that has fallen into the grave disorder of sexist.

Given into homosexual disorders? Please explain that. Also, do you really want homosexual men to share facilities with other homosexual men? I mean, honestly? They would be far more tempted to commit sodomy than if they shared facilities with heterosexual men. Forcing someone into a situation where they will be surrounded with pure temptation is quite sinful and repulsive.

 

[Shin]

Wife, husband, professional football player, professional boxer, monk, nun. . .

Women are mentally and physically not meant for life as a soldier. Certainly they can be trained out of this femininity -to a degree-, but it is not what fits their gender. Men are not meant to be nuns, women are not meant to be monks or priests. Women can’t compete with men in pro football, boxing, many other areas of strength and endurance and combat.

There are plenty of occupations more suitable for the male or female, or completely meant for male or female.

It is the sign of the Antichrist when such things are turned upside down and obscured.

You’ve made a good point – homosexual men are a problem because of their unrestrained disorder. They don’t belong housed closely with each other, and they don’t belong housed intimately with women either.

 

[verum_peto_1]

You’ve made a good point – homosexual men are a problem because of their unrestrained disorder. They don’t belong housed closely with each other, and they don’t belong housed intimately with women either.

What is that supposed to mean? As far as anyone can tell, gays handle military duty around other men far better then heterosexual men seem to be able to around women. Maybe that is the problem with the perceptions here, that gay men are as immature with sexual impulse control as straight men. Oh wait a minute… does that sound bigoted?

It is well known that much of the medical corps and foreign language interpreters are gay in all branches of the military. There does not seem to be any unrestrained disorder there. A now retired gay military physician tells me that his Marines protected him, and respected him, when he was on the ground in Vietnam.

 

[HauntedJame]

What is that supposed to mean? As far as anyone can tell, gays handle military duty around other men far better then heterosexual men seem to be able to around women. Maybe that is the problem with the perceptions here, that gay men are as immature with sexual impulse control as straight men. Oh wait a minute… does that sound bigoted?

It is well known that much of the medical corps and foreign language interpreters are gay in all branches of the military. There does not seem to be any unrestrained disorder there. A now retired gay military physician tells me that his Marines protected him, and respected him, when he was on the ground in Vietnam.

My brother was a Marine. And he always told me that everyone knew who was gay and didn’t have a problem with them, because they were all brothers (and sisters!). It was one of those things for him that he noticed that the gay Marines were better at organising than he was, as well as asserting situations. And trust me, he wasn’t saying it to pamper me. He said it because it was true.

I also think that gay soldiers find it easier to treat everyone equally, because they know how it feels to be discriminated against.My brother told me about when one of his fellow Marines started making jokes of one of the women that was there. The gay Marine in the group grabbed him by the back of the neck and told him that it wasn’t a woman in front of him, but a Marine, and if he called a Marine those things he would end up with a beating. The man apologised and after that started taking that attitude…that gender didn’t matter as much as the uniform.

 

[larkin31]

Wife, husband, professional football player, professional boxer, monk, nun. . .

Women are mentally and physically not meant for life as a soldier. Certainly they can be trained out of this femininity -to a degree-, but it is not what fits their gender. Men are not meant to be nuns, women are not meant to be monks or priests. Women can’t compete with men in pro football, boxing, many other areas of strength and endurance and combat.

There are plenty of occupations more suitable for the male or female, or completely meant for male or female.

It is the sign of the Antichrist when such things are turned upside down and obscured.

wow

Are you sincere? Have you started divesting yourself because the end times are coming?

 

[ERose]

What is that supposed to mean? As far as anyone can tell, gays handle military duty around other men far better then heterosexual men seem to be able to around women. Maybe that is the problem with the perceptions here, that gay men are as immature with sexual impulse control as straight men. Oh wait a minute… does that sound bigoted?

Assumptions

It is well known that much of the medical corps and foreign language interpreters are gay in all branches of the military. There does not seem to be any unrestrained disorder there. A now retired gay military physician tells me that his Marines protected him, and respected him, when he was on the ground in Vietnam.

Whole lot of assumptions.

Concerning the retired gay doctor, what else where the Marines going to do?

The problem I see here is that this thread has devolved into using assumptions with absolutely no empirical proof being used nor the use of experience. Have you ever served in the military? Have you served in the combat arms? If you haven’t then everything you said on this thread is assumptions, except maybe the doctor story, and none of it can be proven. You are not the only one doing this and I don’t mean to pick on you. But you need to come with real knowledge not madeup stuff. The same goes for Larkin even though I do not expect it of him since he hasn’t supplied anything that is a real argument.