Gays May Be Prosecuted at 2014 Olympics

[holyrood]

That being said, please do not deny that there is a very strong element of adult homosexuals who identify young people who may be confused, may have some SSA inclinations or simply want attention and try to get them on their team. I spent a number of years showing horses where there is a very active gay community. I would often see the older professionals “lure” young men into working for them and gradually woo them with all the skill of Romeo under Juliet’s balcony. We used to see a handsome young man start working for trainer X and say…“Fresh meat…” Pretty soon the young man would “become” gay. Now maybe he would have followed whatever inclination he already had, maybe he was flattered, maybe he was inexperienced sexually and thus was prone to the excitement and physical pleasure of these encounters. Whatever the reason, I think that men are sexually aggressive and it’s the females that keep it in check. That sexual aggression directed at a young man with raging hormones and no other outlets is psychological dynamite.

As to gay children being brought up by straight parents, indeed most are. We don’t know what genetic component, environmental component, chemical component or societal influence triggers SSA. I suspect a combination of a bunch of factors and influences. One of the most unusual situations in my experience is one of my closest gay friends whose sister is a Lesbian. But both were adopted at birth, totally unrelated and raised by a very straight couple. Who knows. But I think children can be confused, open to suggestion, desperate for attention and can be conditioned in specific ways to respond to particular sexual stimuli. I do not think it’s appropriate for outsiders to take it upon themselves to “educate” other people’s children about a homosexual lifestyle. Thus I do understand what the Russians are trying to do even if I am not in total agreement as to their approach. Unlike we in the US who are bound by political correctness, they are willing to say we don’t want this in our country.

Lisa

As always, a very good and insightful post, Lisa.

In my experience, there’s often some sort of abuse in the background of people with SSA. I’m well aware of one person who was clearly announcing his bisexuality to up his cool factor on campus.

I currently have a friend who told me her 13 year old daughter is ‘lesbian.’ She ‘knows’ this because at the age of 4, said daughter announced she wanted to marry a girl. My immediate feeling was, considering what my friend’s ex-husband was like, it seems fairly obvious that a four year old would want to marry someone loving like her mother rather than someone like her father. I don’t believe it had anything to do with sexual attraction. But this girl has no doubt been told for most of her life now that she is a lesbian. How very confusing to a child, and it comes from a mother who is determined to be open-minded (or what she believes is open-minded) due to the current social atmosphere that sees homosexuality in every innocent gesture or act.

 

[holyrood]

I don’t share my sex life with anyone. One thing I do share, and that I bet you talk about too is your family. I talk about my boyfriend, and I have talked about guys I’ve gone on dates with, and my desire to get married to the man I love. I don’t introduce myself to people as “gay this” or “gay that.” I just happen to be attracted to men. If my sharing that information is considered identifying by my sex life, then straight people do it all the time too. Straight guys talk about being attracted to blondes, or brunettes. Straight women talk about being attracted to smart men, or in shape guys… This happens all the time. That doesn’t mean they are identifying by their sex lives. All I do is the same thing, I say that I’m attracted to guys. Actually, I don’t even say that. It wouldn’t need to be a discussion if I had the same rights as you, but I don’t, because people have decided to make that the case by identifying gay people as a group that deserves to be treated differently.

You have the right to vote, to drive, to own property, and so on, correct? What ‘rights’ are you missing? I’m bound by exactly the same marriage restrictions as you are. You can’t marry anyone you like, and neither can I. You have the right to marry within the same exact restrictions which bind me.

And not everything is a ‘right.’ You are trying to say that homosexual sex and relationships are exactly the same as heterosexual ones. I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. If it were, there would be plenty of examples throughout history of civilizations in which they were treated identically, and at least some examples where homosexuality was considered more the norm. History, biology, sociology, theology–they all tell us that they are in fact, not equal.

It is possible to introduce your boyfriend as simply a friend. You don’t HAVE to make sure everyone knows you’re doing sexual things with him. Doing so is not a ‘right’ of any sort, and no matter how much various lobbies have pushed this, most people simply do not want to know. Why are they so determined to force this on people?

 

[gam197]

As always, a very good and insightful post, Lisa.

In my experience, there’s often some sort of abuse in the background of people with SSA. I’m well aware of one person who was clearly announcing his bisexuality to up his cool factor on campus.

I currently have a friend who told me her 13 year old daughter is ‘lesbian.’ She ‘knows’ this because at the age of 4, said daughter announced she wanted to marry a girl. My immediate feeling was, considering what my friend’s ex-husband was like, it seems fairly obvious that a four year old would want to marry someone loving like her mother rather than someone like her father. I don’t believe it had anything to do with sexual attraction. But this girl has no doubt been told for most of her life now that she is a lesbian. How very confusing to a child, and it comes from a mother who is determined to be open-minded (or what she believes is open-minded) due to the current social atmosphere that sees homosexuality in every innocent gesture or act.

At 4, I wanted to marry my dad, but I really loved my mother. Does that me a lesbian? Sheeeesh

 

[SeannyM]

You have the right to vote, to drive, to own property, and so on, correct? What ‘rights’ are you missing? I’m bound by exactly the same marriage restrictions as you are. You can’t marry anyone you like, and neither can I. You have the right to marry within the same exact restrictions which bind me.

And not everything is a ‘right.’ You are trying to say that homosexual sex and relationships are exactly the same as heterosexual ones. I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. If it were, there would be plenty of examples throughout history of civilizations in which they were treated identically, and at least some examples where homosexuality was considered more the norm. History, biology, sociology, theology–they all tell us that they are in fact, not equal.

It is possible to introduce your boyfriend as simply a friend. You don’t HAVE to make sure everyone knows you’re doing sexual things with him. Doing so is not a ‘right’ of any sort, and no matter how much various lobbies have pushed this, most people simply do not want to know. Why are they so determined to force this on people?

Introducing my boyfriend as my boyfriend is a right… it’s call free speech. As for the rest of your post, I know from experience that you aren’t going to pay any mind to my counter arguements, since you’re going to continue to use stalk talking points that hold no weight in discussions outside of forums like this one. So, I’m not going to waste any time, especially since I’ve responded to literally the exact same points from you in several other posts.

 

[Corki]

The law bans “equating homosexual relationships with heterosexual ones.” Using words like ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ could easily be considered equating the two relationships.

Good. That is, by the way, exactly the position of the Church. It’s nice when public policy matches up to morality for a change.

 

[edwest2]

The law bans “equating homosexual relationships with heterosexual ones.” Using words like ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ could easily be considered equating the two relationships.

The context of what you wrote is missing.

“In this connection it is necessary to establish measures to ensure intellectual, moral and mental security of children, including the prohibition onto perform any act aimed at the promotion of homosexuality. By itself, the prohibition of such propaganda as an activity of purposeful and uncontrolled dissemination of the information that could harm the health and moral and spiritual development, as well as form misperceptions about the social equivalence of conventional and unconventional sexual relationships, among individuals who, due to their age, are not capable to independently and critically assess such information cannot be regarded as violating the constitutional rights of citizens.”

So, being gay is not illegal in Russia. Russian parents are not omitted from the equation. They could just turn off the TV to protect their children as well. A fine “may” occur but that is only speculation at this point. Context matters. If a male athlete wins a medal and says, “I would like to thank Bob Smith for supporting me and encouraging me. Thank you Bob, we now share this medal.” Instead of, “I would like to thank my husband, Bob Smith, for supporting me and encouraging me…” that would be a different matter.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ComputerGeek25]

The law bans “equating homosexual relationships with heterosexual ones.” Using words like ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ could easily be considered equating the two relationships.

That’s because homosexual relationships are not the same as heterosexual ones for obvious reasons…

 

[holyrood]

Introducing my boyfriend as my boyfriend is a right… it’s call free speech. As for the rest of your post, I know from experience that you aren’t going to pay any mind to my counter arguements, since you’re going to continue to use stalk talking points that hold no weight in discussions outside of forums like this one. So, I’m not going to waste any time, especially since I’ve responded to literally the exact same points from you in several other posts.

Yes, you are welcome to introduce anyone you like to others. You do not have a ‘right’ for them to approve. You do not have a ‘right’ to them reacting as you wish them to react.

‘Stalk’ talking points? I take it you meant stock. I don’t take ‘talking points’ from anywhere. I know liberal organizations send out sheets of ‘talking points’ to their followers, but that doesn’t mean everyone does that.

I hate to tell you, but outside this forum, people are often much more vocal about their objection to homosexuality being pushed on everyone as normal. It’s fascinating to read the comments on the many gay-themed stories yahoo continually posts, and see what the overwhelming majority of posters say when they’re anonymous and not afraid of persecution.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Introducing my boyfriend as my boyfriend is a right… it’s call free speech. As for the rest of your post, I know from experience that you aren’t going to pay any mind to my counter arguements, since you’re going to continue to use stalk talking points that hold no weight in discussions outside of forums like this one. So, I’m not going to waste any time, especially since I’ve responded to literally the exact same points from you in several other posts.

And what homosexual advocates don’t understand is that people also have a right not to listen to you talking.

Also, scientifically you have to concede that homosexual relationships are very different from heterosexual relationships because heteorsexual relationships can produce offspring. Russia and many countries in Europe are about to face demographic winter because they cannot replace people leaving the workforce and dying fast enough. The governments of course are going to favor stable heterosexual relationships - so any “equal protection under the law” can go out the window…

 

[edwest2]

You have the right to vote, to drive, to own property, and so on, correct? What ‘rights’ are you missing? I’m bound by exactly the same marriage restrictions as you are. You can’t marry anyone you like, and neither can I. You have the right to marry within the same exact restrictions which bind me.

And not everything is a ‘right.’ You are trying to say that homosexual sex and relationships are exactly the same as heterosexual ones. I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. If it were, there would be plenty of examples throughout history of civilizations in which they were treated identically, and at least some examples where homosexuality was considered more the norm. History, biology, sociology, theology–they all tell us that they are in fact, not equal.

It is possible to introduce your boyfriend as simply a friend. You don’t HAVE to make sure everyone knows you’re doing sexual things with him. Doing so is not a ‘right’ of any sort, and no matter how much various lobbies have pushed this, most people simply do not want to know. Why are they so determined to force this on people?

That is what the Russians understand but some of us don’t. It is 100% necessary to praise anyone who supports gay so-called marriage and when there is any “positive” news on that front, it gets posted here. The goal is the global enshrinement of gay sex as gay marriage. Those who are against that are called names, since tolerance is only a one-way street.

And to make sure people who are confused about gay sex, even 5 year olds, as being normal by legalizing something called gay marriage, they use vague words which all mean the same thing.

Inclusive
Diversity
Tolerance

You will be forced to tolerate our definition of marriage or you will be sued, whether you are the Anglican Church, a baker, photographer or florist. The Russians know this is actually happening so they have taken the appropriate steps. You may be fined, you may be jailed, you may be kicked out of the country, but in each case, the Russians will have to show cause.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Yes, you are welcome to introduce anyone you like to others. You do not have a ‘right’ for them to approve. You do not have a ‘right’ to them reacting as you wish them to react.

‘Stalk’ talking points? I take it you meant stock. I don’t take ‘talking points’ from anywhere. I know liberal organizations send out sheets of ‘talking points’ to their followers, but that doesn’t mean everyone does that.

I hate to tell you, but outside this forum, people are often much more vocal about their objection to homosexuality being pushed on everyone as normal. It’s fascinating to read the comments on the many gay-themed stories yahoo continually posts, and see what the overwhelming majority of posters say when they’re anonymous and not afraid of persecution.

Many of the regular posters here on CAF take a very balanced view and tend to dig a little deeper and not give the “since you’re gay you’re the spawn of satan” talk.

 

[holyrood]

Many of the regular posters here on CAF take a very balanced view and tend to dig a little deeper and not give the “since you’re gay you’re the spawn of satan” talk.

To be honest, I don’t even get the impression from the yahoo comments that people necessarily think that badly of anyone with SSA. I think they’re just SICK TO DEATH of it being pushed in their faces. I really believe, judging by all the stories of former well-known people in past decades who were gay, that most people didn’t care that much, but they DO care about being told they better approve and celebrate it and teach their children it’s normal.

They DO care about being called names for not pretending it’s normal and just the same as any other sexual relationship. The statistics on the usual promiscuity alone associated with homosexuality would prove otherwise. The health issues associated with homosexual sex would prove otherwise. And these things should NOT be promoted as normal or healthy to children.

 

[SeannyM]

That’s because homosexual relationships are not the same as heterosexual ones for obvious reasons…

They are obviously not the same. No marriage is the same really though, each relationship is unique. You seem to equate “not the same” with “of lesser value.” This is not true in my opinion. I’m sure that in your opinion my relationship is of less value than yours, and while I find that opinion offensive, you certainly have the right to it. But, that doesn’t mean that you have the right to infringe on my liberties.

This discussion has remained civil, and helps to increase empathy and understanding amongst fellow Americans, which is important. Even though I don’t expect you to agree with me, I do expect to be treated with dignity, and I think discussions like this one decrease the perception that all gays are super-fabulous drag queens. The problem with the Russian law is that if this civilized, respectful discussion took place in Russia, it would likely land me a hefty fine, or even jail time. I don’t expect you to change your beliefs, but can’t you agree that it is important that people be allowed to have open and respectful discussions like this one?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Russian pole vault champion condemns homosexuality

 

[edwest2]

They are obviously not the same. No marriage is the same really though, each relationship is unique. You seem to equate “not the same” with “of lesser value.” This is not true in my opinion. I’m sure that in your opinion my relationship is of less value than yours, and while I find that opinion offensive, you certainly have the right to it. But, that doesn’t mean that you have the right to infringe on my liberties.

This discussion has remained civil, and helps to increase empathy and understanding amongst fellow Americans, which is important. Even though I don’t expect you to agree with me, I do expect to be treated with dignity, and I think discussions like this one decrease the perception that all gays are super-fabulous drag queens. The problem with the Russian law is that if this civilized, respectful discussion took place in Russia, it would likely land me a hefty fine, or even jail time. I don’t expect you to change your beliefs, but can’t you agree that it is important that people be allowed to have open and respectful discussions like this one?

Open and respectful discussions are very good and I’m sure the Russians are watching a serious problem emerging in other countries. In the US, if ‘gay marriage’ becomes legal in your state, 5 year olds automatically get a story book in their public school showing two men kissing and parents are not required to be notified? What? Parents have no right to know? That should be illegal.

Gays in the US have said ‘we won’t force your Church to marry us.’ Not true in the UK.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/gay-couple-to-sue-church-of-england-for-marriage-rights/

The Russians are seeing photographers, bakers and florists being sued in the US.

So much for the very false and misleading picture that gay people want what they call marriage and will simply live like the rest of us. Not true. Bob and Jim, who are now husband and husband, won’t just go to work, come home, walk the dog and cut the grass. There’s no evidence of that. They will force the rest of us to accept a meaning of marriage it never had before or face jail or fines. The Russians understand this clearly.

Peace,
Ed

 

[goldtreasure]

buchanan.org/blog/post-v-putin-whose-side-are-you-on-5760

 

[SeannyM]

Open and respectful discussions are very good and I’m sure the Russians are watching a serious problem emerging in other countries. In the US, if ‘gay marriage’ becomes legal in your state, 5 year olds automatically get a story book in their public school showing two men kissing and parents are not required to be notified? What? Parents have no right to know? That should be illegal.

Gays in the US have said ‘we won’t force your Church to marry us.’ Not true in the UK.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/gay-couple-to-sue-church-of-england-for-marriage-rights/

The Russians are seeing photographers, bakers and florists being sued in the US.

So much for the very false and misleading picture that gay people want what they call marriage and will simply live like the rest of us. Not true. Bob and Jim, who are now husband and husband, won’t just go to work, come home, walk the dog and cut the grass. There’s no evidence of that. They will force the rest of us to accept a meaning of marriage it never had before or face jail or fines. The Russians understand this clearly.

Peace,
Ed

Who ever said we just want marriage? What we want is to be treated with dignity. We want to not be called slurs and refused service at restaurants or shops just because of who we are. I don’t care at all whether you accept my marriage, just like I don’t care whether you share my religious beliefs. But, you don’t have the right to treat me like a second class citizen because you don’t agree with me. If I owned a shop and a Roman Catholic, or Jew, or Muslim or any member of a faith that teaches anti-gay teachings comes into my shop, I do not have the right to refuse them service. If one of my employees tells me he is a member of one of those religions that I disagree with, I don’t have the right to fire him. If I did, I am certain that there would be a thread on here filled with comments about how I violated his rights the very next day. When those companies are being sued, it’s for violating the law, not for refusing to recognize a marriage. Just because I don’t recognize your beliefs on my marriage as valid, doesn’t mean I get to refuse you service. Honestly, I’d never want to. I’d feel horrible about it because it’s not the way people deserve to be treated, and it’s not in keeping with the ideals that America stands for.

The UK is an entirely different story. They have a national religion. If we had a national religion, then I would certainly argue for it to be inclusive… but we don’t, which is one of the greatest things about our nation. By keeping religion out of government, it protects the governed from unwanted religious influence, and it protects the religions from unwanted secular influence. But that separation doesn’t extend into the public marketplace. Once you participate in the public sector, you lose the ability to impose your religious beliefs. That ability exists in the religious realm… the religions get to decide what requirements are placed on their members, but it stops there… as soon as you are in that public sector you are required to obey the same laws as everyone else. You still have the right to practice your religion, and hold the beliefs you choose to hold, but you don’t get to enforce those beliefs on the public.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Who ever said we just want marriage? What we want is to be treated with dignity. We want to not be called slurs and refused service at restaurants or shops just because of who we are. I don’t care at all whether you accept my marriage, just like I don’t care whether you share my religious beliefs. But, you don’t have the right to treat me like a second class citizen because you don’t agree with me. If I owned a shop and a Roman Catholic, or Jew, or Muslim or any member of a faith that teaches anti-gay teachings comes into my shop, I do not have the right to refuse them service. If one of my employees tells me he is a member of one of those religions that I disagree with, I don’t have the right to fire him. If I did, I am certain that there would be a thread on here filled with comments about how I violated his rights the very next day. When those companies are being sued, it’s for violating the law, not for refusing to recognize a marriage. Just because I don’t recognize your beliefs on my marriage as valid, doesn’t mean I get to refuse you service. Honestly, I’d never want to. I’d feel horrible about it because it’s not the way people deserve to be treated, and it’s not in keeping with the ideals that America stands for.

The UK is an entirely different story. They have a national religion. If we had a national religion, then I would certainly argue for it to be inclusive… but we don’t, which is one of the greatest things about our nation. By keeping religion out of government, it protects the governed from unwanted religious influence, and it protects the religions from unwanted secular influence. But that separation doesn’t extend into the public marketplace. Once you participate in the public sector, you lose the ability to impose your religious beliefs. That ability exists in the religious realm… the religions get to decide what requirements are placed on their members, but it stops there… as soon as you are in that public sector you are required to obey the same laws as everyone else. You still have the right to practice your religion, and hold the beliefs you choose to hold, but you don’t get to enforce those beliefs on the public.

You do realize that religious freedom is a two way street. If a photographer is uncomfortable taking pictures at a gay wedding ceremony, you also do not have the right to force your religious convictions on him. That is often missed.

 

[edwest2]

buchanan.org/blog/post-v-putin-whose-side-are-you-on-5760

While I found the few barbs inappropriate, everyone should read this. Religion, itself, is under attack in the US and around the world, and the Russians get that.

Prayer and the truth, along with hope and faith.

Peace,
Ed

 

[SeannyM]

You do realize that religious freedom is a two way street. If a photographer is uncomfortable taking pictures at a gay wedding ceremony, you also do not have the right to force your religious convictions on him. That is often missed.

True, I don’t have the right to force my religious convictions on him… but he doesn’t have the right to refuse me service either (at least in places with non-discrimination laws). Taking pictures and participating in a religious ceremony are two completely different things.

I am a medical provider. I am not comfortable treating female genital problems, but I can’t deny them care. I am actually not comfortable providing care for genital issues of men who have made it known that they are anti-gay, but I still am required to do so. Being uncomfortable is sometimes part of your job, that is why you get paid to do it. Being put in uncomfortable situations does not, however constitute a violation of your religious liberties.