Gays May Be Prosecuted at 2014 Olympics

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I’ve heard and seen stuff about the armies of street kids and prostitutes in Russia. The Olympics are coming up. So you may well be right about that.

On the other hand, given the evident determination of the Russians to present an exemplary face to the world when they host the Olympics, is he really going to be content with enforcing such a law against the actual wrongdoers? Or will its implementation be a dragnet that snags many innocents?

And one can’t help but wonder, will he take forceful measures to have all street people nowhere in evidence in Moscow when the world’s media focus is there? If he’ll jail people for holding hands, he’ll jail bizarre and skanky-looking street kids to keep them out of the foreign media’s cameras, I’m sure.

I have little difficulty in imagining internment camps outside Moscow that may just stay full even after the Olympics are over. Putin, the former KGB officer, is entirely capable of it.

The saddest thing, from America’s perspective, is that this will give fuel to gay vitriol in this country, and provide militant American gays with political cover from which to further advance their own agenda in this country.
Hard to know what all Putin will do to put a good face on the Olympics. But one has to remember that, while he tried mightily, even Stalin couldn’t round up all the “street kids” in his time. He had more camps than Putin ever even imagined for them, but they still roamed the streets of Russian cities.
 
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At all kinds of international events, sporting and other, the participants are generally briefed about local customs and possible cultural differences. Any athlete who wants to participate in an international event should have the grace to behave appropriately and not to offend local customs. If you don’t want to be considerate of the local customs and laws, stay home. If you are that rude, you have no business representing your country abroad anyway.
Very well stated. I agree.
 
I’ve heard and seen stuff about the armies of street kids and prostitutes in Russia. The Olympics are coming up. So you may well be right about that.

On the other hand, given the evident determination of the Russians to present an exemplary face to the world when they host the Olympics, is he really going to be content with enforcing such a law against the actual wrongdoers? Or will its implementation be a dragnet that snags many innocents?

And one can’t help but wonder, will he take forceful measures to have all street people nowhere in evidence in Moscow when the world’s media focus is there? If he’ll jail people for holding hands, he’ll jail bizarre and skanky-looking street kids to keep them out of the foreign media’s cameras, I’m sure.

I have little difficulty in imagining internment camps outside Moscow that may just stay full even after the Olympics are over. Putin, the former KGB officer, is entirely capable of it.

The saddest thing, from America’s perspective, is that this will give fuel to gay vitriol in this country, and provide militant American gays with political cover from which to further advance their own agenda in this country.
Talk about “human rights”, China presented an exemplary face and few complained. The U.S. is not involved with Russian policies.
 
Talk about “human rights”, China presented an exemplary face and few complained. The U.S. is not involved with Russian policies.
I remember complaining.

People probably talked the same way in 1905 and 1917.
 
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Putin is the real deal. He is more “American” than Obama.

Putin’s not afraid of the Pink Mafia…that’s why you don’t like him.
Support Putin you might as well support Assad and say he is just misunderstood. I am surprised you think so lowly of Obama. Considering that Romney was so bad in your opinion, you are smart enough to know that by not voting for Romney you are really supporting Obama.

I remember after the 2000 election and Paul Begala on CNN say that if you vote for Ralph Nader (hard left), you are voting for George Bush. Works both ways.
 
Maybe some day Russia can operate something like Radio Free Europe for people trapped behind radical secularist lines in places like the Netherlands, Denmark, UK, and America. I got the perfect name for it … RT 😃
 
San Antonio has passed an ordinance prohibiting those who have ever supported traditional marriage “in word or deed” from ever serving in any position, or procuring a contract in the city. And we think that Russia is extreme! This is what “progressivism” is all about: ultimate silencing of all opposition. WAKE UP before your freedom has been extinguished by desposts such as Obama. :bigyikes: Rob
One of the fundamental flaws in liberal ideologies in America is the mandate that you cannot oppose that idelogy usually by coercion or force of law. Hence, the suppression of religious expression, speech, and the advent of political correctness.
 
Also, how many have been jailed because of the San Antonio decree? How many fines have been levied? Does it have the effect of sanctioning murder of the undesirables? Sorry, but what passes for persecution in the U.S. is pretty weak sauce. Thinking being denied a position on a city commission is comparable to being thrown in jail because you seem too gay is a little much.
Yes, better to let is rise to levels of pol Pot and Staling before we try to snuff it out. :rolleyes:

Because one circumstance is not yet as bad as another doesn;t mean one has to simply ignore and let it progress. Idealogues will push the limits as far as they can to promote their ideology.
 
I remember complaining.

People probably talked the same way in 1905 and 1917.
What does the Russian Revolution have to do with the Olympics?

The Chinese Summer Olympics were a big success (few turned their TVs off) and let’s not forget the 1980’s Soviet Union Summer Olympics and the U.S. boycott.

Who get hurt by a boycott but the athletes who train for years for their one moment.😦
 
What are you talking about here?
How are gay people manipulating children?
“Heather Has Two Mommies” anybody? It’s a pro-homosexual book that is geared for children in kindergarten.
Do you see gay people–like many religious people do–going door to door trying to convert people into being gay?
I see them creating heroic characters in children’s television programming and making them seem “normal.”
Do you see them handing out books trying to “indoctrinate” children and youths, telling them that gay is the only way?
Again, “Heather Has Two Mommies,” and the like.
 
Debatable. The San Antonio decree is utterly unjust and unChristian, yet how many have been killed as a result of it? How can it compare to killing human beings?
Brutishness on behalf of Russians is to be expected. They have never known anything other than totalitarian and oppressive regimes for their entire history, from the days of the Mongol Yoke right to the present thugocracy.

That Americans who have know freedom would follow the totalitarian path is what I find more repugnant. “Forgive them for they know not what they do” cannot even apply to these people. What a waste to see this spectacle of swine grinding the pearls of the greatest and freeest civilization into their own excrement!!

And punsihing those who support traditional marriage is behavior that only the spiritually dead can partake in. Even brutes are more spiritually aware than the leftists on the SA council that would even think about proposing such a thing. The brutes at least have enough common sense to still recognize what sex actually means.
 
“Heather Has Two Mommies” anybody? It’s a pro-homosexual book that is geared for children in kindergarten.
As a Catholic I don’t believe that “two mommies” is the best environment for a child, and I would teach my children that the best environment is a mother and a father.

That’s still not encouraging them to “turn gay,” though.

This was a response to a post responding to an earlier post saying that they try to get young people to “turn gay.”
 
No slur on Russia intended. People are wondering and opining on what Putin is doing with his “don’t talk homosexuality to minors” thing. I offered a possible explanation. Sorry if I indulged in hyperbole with the phone booth thing. They probably don’t even have phone booths anymore in Moscow. The prostitutes probably all have cell phones there like they do here.
 
Brutishness on behalf of Russians is to be expected. They have never known anything other than totalitarian and oppressive regimes for their entire history, from the days of the Mongol Yoke right to the present thugocracy.
:rolleyes: 😊 :yawn:

I don’t know what is worse: your brutish understanding of Russian history or your attempt to label Russia’s anti-Sodomy Laws “brutish.”
That Americans who have know freedom would follow the totalitarian path is what I find more repugnant
Yes, it is repugnant to see “Americans” like Bush, Obama, McCain, Graham, etc. and their Israeli/Saudi-Firster backers, go down the totalitarian path at home (PRISM, Abortion, Gay “marriage”, etc.) and abroad (a decade of reckless, demonic warmongering).
 
So you are gay. OK, at least now I know where you are coming from.

This emotionally charged pseudo-argument about persecuting gay kids that you present above is truly sickening. I think we both know that this law is about adults and how their behaviour impacts society, which includes the youth. :rolleyes:

I’m sorry, but I’m not interested in working in the gay community. My priorities are elsewhere; ie. how to raise and protect my children from the increasingly vulgar and damaging secular world.
Will you teach your kids that gays are “vulgar” people though? Will you teach your kids the differences between SSAs and behavior? I can’t tell you how many so-called “Christian” parents end up with kids attempting suicide after they spend their (gay) child’s whole childhood teaching them that gay people are the scum of the Earth. Those parents are more vulgar than any gay person could ever be.
What a judgmental, hateful post. Responding with insults to a person instead of to my comment just because you disagree? This law nowhere criminalizes gay lifestyle but the promotion of the same to children.
It outlaws talking about homosexuality or acting in a homosexual manner in any public forum, including the Internet. This means that if you walk down the street holding hands with a partner, you are (according to Russian law) indoctrinating children and subject to jail time. This DOES criminalize gay behavior.
Just because one country thinks that children’s welfare matters more than public promotion of non-traditional relations and your country has a different value system doesnt make yours better, nor does it make those who disagree with yours hateful or whatever other accusations you hurled.
Anyone who truly cared about their children wouldn’t deflect parenting responsibility and act like they couldn’t research or choose their children’s TV shows for them. Any parent who thinks their child is going to turn gay after hearing about Heather Has Two Mommies is insane, though I fully support opting out your children because they shouldn’t have to hear about sexuality at a young age. Anybody who truly cared about their children would be worried about having a gay child commit suicide on them after hearing nothing but negativity their whole life. No parent thinks they have a gay child until they no longer have a child, whether due to suicide or running away.
No one said it was gay people who convert children, you’re making up stuff.
Any person or group who lobbies to codify the rights of these groups, or pushes to further their agenda or spread their own disorders (greed, homosexuality) further into society
OK, but what do you think about the manipulation of children and the youth into sexual immorality? Because when the homosexual movement gets strong they immediately go after the young to educate them about the beauty of their perverted lifestyle so it can eventually be completely normalised. Do you think that is allowed and morally neutral or that people have an obligation to protect the youth from immorality? If I had to choose between the criminalisation of homosexuality and their freedom to indoctrinate my children - what we now see in the western world via sexual education in schools and the media, then without much thought I choose the criminalisation.
Did you not even READ the thread?
This law targets any one who spreads propaganda that promotes it among children, whether that person is gay or straight. That nonsense about holding hands came from the article, not the law it discusses. That Law clearly is targetting the active promotion of this lifestyle in russia as has been seen in other countries in the West that doesnt even spare little children who are five years old, like Canada. why you think countries have no right to prevent this in their own lands is still unclear.
I think parents should do their jobs. Again, don’t play the “it can’t be my fault” game. Gay lobbies and the 2% of gays that classify under the so-called “militant gays” category don’t actually do anything to indoctrinate children. Those 2% do make life hard for Catholic businesspeople, sure. But the only thing gay people have ever tried to do with children is to teach them that suicide is not an option. If you don’t want your gay children acting on their desires, teach them that the desires aren’t bad but the behavior is. If you teach your kids that their SSAs are bad, you are directly responsible for them committing suicide or leaving the faith.
 
“Heather Has Two Mommies” anybody? It’s a pro-homosexual book that is geared for children in kindergarten.
Because immorally not notifying parents about a book about gay parents makes it morally permissible to directly advocate for the beating and jailing (and likely gang raping and possible murder) of gay youth and young adults.
 
What are you talking about here?
How are gay people manipulating children?
Do you see gay people–like many religious people do–going door to door trying to convert people into being gay?
Do you see them luring children with candy into to “gay meetings”?
Do you see them handing out books trying to “indoctrinate” children and youths, telling them that gay is the only way?
Do you see them putting up posters in young children’s schools trying to “turn them gay” by telling them how “beautiful” it is?
No. You don’t.
Gay people have no interest in making heterosexuals gay.

If people are trying to “normalize” the idea of homosexuality, it’s because gay people who have been born with this orientation since forever have been persecuted on and off, just as Christians have–so there should be some mutual understanding here. Any education about what homosexuality is all about is directed toward *not hating and hurting *someone who is gay…just as the pope himself was saying the other day.
When children are uneducated, they hurt and bully those who are different from them.

Do you think someone can just “turn” you gay? Is that what would happen to you if you fell into the evil clutches of some sort of gay cult that then brainwashed you?
I’m happy to inform you that…this will not happen.

Most of the time, a person is born basically heterosexual or homosexual, with some shades in-between. And just like you can’t “turn” an inherently homosexual person straight, vice-versa.
So no one is going to turn your kids gay.

A young Catholic man began a thread last week here on CAF–a man in his twenties, brought up in a strict Catholic family–about how he was afraid to tell his parents he’d know he was homosexual from childhood.
So here is a man who is devout Catholic, brought up with all the church teachings, had no “manipulation” from others—and still, he knows for sure he is one hundred percent homosexual.

No one is going to “convince” your children to be gay…but they can be shown it’s okay to “welcome” a gay person–to use the Pope’s words-- as a friend and into their church with love.
And if your child is born with a homosexual orientation…then the education can make them know they are not freaks and they are loved and there are many who are just like them and they don’t have to feel bad about themselves.

And* that* is the motive behind education and awareness on this subject–not recruiting and manipulating.
Sheesh.

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The idea that gay people are trying to convert and pervert children as well as molest them was part of the Nazi propaganda targeted at homosexuals. The Jews were said to use the blood of Christian children in their Passover holiday ritual and the gypsies were accused of kidnapping and disposing of children. All three groups–gays, Jews, and gypsies–were demonized by means of focusing attention on the danger they posed to children. There are people who believe some or all of this nonsense to this very day.
 
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