Genesis of social justice

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As someone who bennefited from access to rental properties I was happy to have a cheep place to live. I couldn’t care how much the land lord made.
YOU WERE HAPPY TO HAVE A CHEAP PLACE TO LIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU LIVED ON THE STREET YOU WOULD BE ARRESTED… cheap rent or high rent the landlord still wins, a friend on mine was left a house in his fathers will… the house cost $8000 , today the rent collected amounts to $12.000 pa why???
 
Hi, AthairSiochain,

In my opinion, this is truly a quixotic adventure you are on… 😉 Let me explain… but, it will take me two posts to do it… that 6,000 character limit got me… :D. Part 1 of 2
With great respect Tom , I understand where you are coming from. but you dont even try to look through my eyes, ten years ago I believed I was the only person in the world with those views, to take on the political and legal world I knew my lips would be buttoned in more ways than one, since then I have seen my words being used by people all around the world, there are over 100.000 blogs attacking the blind greed of landlords and money lenders,

You mentioned Lenin and Stalin. they were insane/evil-- their type of Socialism was no different than Capitalism, those at the top with the most power , lived a life of luxury. while the people doing the real work were slave labour,

“Rid the world of the activities of landlords and moneylenders” no need to kill the human beings blinded by greed,

You say the root cause is SIN and only God has the power to forgive SIN . is that not a easy way out, I could use the Bible to support my views, but I would rather not.

The financial system can be viewed in many ways, I choose to use two plus two equals four any other answer is a wrong ,

I am not on a adventure, I have a message to tell,

So how do you measure evil.

While many people associate the inquisition with Spain and Portugal it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent 111 1198–1216 in Rome.
He condemned the Magna Carta and demanded Jews ware distinctive dress, he also declared anyone caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death, I could go on and list the 20 most evil crimes of the 13 century all committed by Pope Innocent111. he was responsible for millions of innocent men women and children being murdered. his reward??? a place in heaven

have a nice day
 
  1. Yes, Jesus says to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. This is not a direction for us to pay fallible human institutions to carry out our acts of mercy. THIS is PRECISELY what we are doing if we give our responsibility to our fellow man over to the government. The government is not run by Jesus or any of the saints. These men and women are often greedy and self-serving. It defies logic to conclude that it is a good idea to pay $75 to the gov to give your neighbor $25 in groceries (total of $100) rather than to simply give your hungry neighbor a $100 Publix gift card. The Government is a ravenous behemoth. Most (all?) of the social programs provided by Gov (taxpayers) are grossly inefficient and could be handled much more efficiently at the local level in the private sector.
***Conservatives don’t hate poor people. Americans are some of the most generous people on the planet. Conservatives believe that the self-serving aspect of the “nice-government-men” throws a huge monkey wrench in what would otherwise be genuine charity. Consider the money that could flow to those in need if it wasn’t padding the retirement plans of countless “nice-government-men.”

Money: Yes, everything goes up in a fiat currency. That is its nature. The powers that be print money and “create” money through credit and lending (with only a keystroke and out of thin air). The money supply increases. Prices inflate. Increases in transportation costs give rise to increases in product prices → increased cost of living as business owners have to raise prices to cover increased costs.

Perhaps a useful social justice plan would be to cut social programs. Does that seem counter-intuitive? Maybe.

Consider that if they are cut, taxes could be cut. In recent years, when taxes are cut, businesses thrive, enabling them to hire more people and raise wages. As more of the entitlement class obtains the newly created jobs, fewer entitlements are expected (in theory).

Jesus said to feed the hungry. Yes, you. YOU feed the hungry. Don’t pass off your obligation to some elected human, then ask him to collect money from your wealthy neighbors in the next county so that he can pay himself and then feed the hungry.
 
YOU WERE HAPPY TO HAVE A CHEAP PLACE TO LIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU LIVED ON THE STREET YOU WOULD BE ARRESTED… cheap rent or high rent the landlord still wins, a friend on mine was left a house in his fathers will… the house cost $8000 , today the rent collected amounts to $12.000 pa why???
This make no sense. What is wrong with winning. The tennants don’t lose. They have no maintenance costs, no property taxes, no building codes to live up to. If they want to leave they just end there lease. They don’t have to sell or find a buyer, and pay a realitor.

If prices don’t go up ever…No one will ever be better off. No one can ever get a raise, no one can earn interest, no one would invest money, no one would be able to start a company. A rising tide lifts all boats, but anchors still fall to the bottom. So You can’t quit school, do drugs, have babies out of wedlock, or party your life away. You must continue to work towards your own progress.
 
Hi, AthairSiochain,

Your myopia and fixation on greed has become truly tedious… but, besides that - it is totally missing the point. This is not a perfect world - and your fixation on ‘greedy landlords’ as the cause of the problem is simply wrong.
A long nail needs a lot of hits to drive home, the harder the wood the more hits. I do see your point. and realise you cant see the picture I am painting, I have received thousands of messages from landlords and moneylenders every message is the same. they say I am wrong, and they always say collecting of rent and interest is no different than any other business, what else can they say , on the other side of the coin I have met hundreds of victims of greedy landlords, same old story blind greed rules.

remember Noahs Ark, the great flood ------------ God wanted a perfect world, so he rid the world of currupt evil humanbeings.

the facts prove I am right …

I never set out to single out landlords/moneylenders. the road I travelled was well sign posted,

a government of landlords and moneylenders make decisions, that help them to make more money,

" if we just print money and hand it out no one will starve" we cant do that,unless you are a landlord or moneylender, manipulate the monitory system to print free money,

eg— 100s of Trillions of Dollars in equity that only can be accessed by the greedy rich, that equity creates a false security, that is used to borrow more , to buy more,
how can you lend money that will be earned in the future, this is what banks do print money, they then force fees and payments up, again there is no one to say they cant , because of their power over the system,

If you look after someones farm, factory. car. animal. clothes. children, garden, restaurant, furniture etc etc you get paid, you dont get paid for looking after a investment property of a greedy landlord. this activity was created by people from the top end of town, we can have a happy world without greedy landlords and moneylenders , I realise that is a" out of this world expectation", because the landlords and moneylenders have created a system to protect their wealth. that comes from the sweat blood and tears of the working poor,

Why are the majority of politicians and lawyers always landlords or moneylenders,
imagine what would happen if they had no power,
 
Because this thread has deteriated away from social justice,

Name calling shows the opposition are lost for words,

I am wasting my time if I continue here,
have a nice day landlords
 
YOU WERE HAPPY TO HAVE A CHEAP PLACE TO LIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU LIVED ON THE STREET YOU WOULD BE ARRESTED… cheap rent or high rent the landlord still wins, a friend on mine was left a house in his fathers will… the house cost $8000 , today the rent collected amounts to $12.000 pa why???
Land lords provide a service. Are you also against tool rental places or do you feel people should be forced to buy all the tools they want to use even if they only want to use them for a short period of time? Do you feel the same way about Taxi cabs, tux rental places, and hospital beds? (all of which are rented.)
 
Hi, Royal Archer,

As I see it, the economy can be divided into three main groups: 1.) those who are willing to work with risk and 2.) those who are willing to work for those who are willing to work with risk and 3.) government employees and all others…

While our Founding Fathers had an eye to protecting life and liberty - we were only promised the OPPORTUNITY to the pursuit of happiness.
Land lords provide a service. And, this service is to their tenants. Now, I guess there are those who skimp on maintenance and have fire code violations and allow their property to run down - there are crooks in every group! But, most business people want people to feel good about doing business about them - because if they feel unhappy - they will simply change. Markets may change - but, customer service is a common denominator in all lines of work. Lose this and you lose your customers. Now, our buddy seems to think this does not matter, because landlords just print money and everything is just fine - but, I guess he never saw the pictures of post WW I Germany with a guy pushing a wheelbarrow filled with German Marks need to buy one load of bread! The German printing presses were working overtime - but, this did not help their economy.

Are you also against tool rental places or do you feel people should be forced to buy all the tools they want to use even if they only want to use them for a short period of time? Do you feel the same way about Taxi cabs, tux rental places, and hospital beds? (all of which are rented.)

About the only thing I can say with confidence about this guy is that he never stayed up late worrying about how he was going to meet a payroll! Employers don’t print the stuff (the Bureau of Printing and Engraving - and their boss… the Secret Service of the US Treasury… take a very dim view of people who try to print their own!

God bless

Tom
 
Hi, Royal Archer,

While our Founding Fathers had an eye to protecting life and liberty - we were only promised the OPPORTUNITY to the pursuit of happiness.
As I see it, the economy can be divided into three main groups: 1.) those who are willing to work with risk and 2.) those who are willing to work for those who are willing to work with risk and 3.) government employees and all others…

I cant understand your thinking----- why work with a risk—landlords/money lenders dont take risks unless their greed overpowers their thinking;. the tenants live in fear of eviction, so they pay a high price for looking after the landlords investment,

SO WHY ARE THE MONEYLENDERS ALLOWED TO LEND BETWEEN $10 AND $65 FOR EVERY DOLLAR DEPOSITED IN THEIR BANK, ,

Answer they use future mortgage payments and equity as security, manipulation of the property market, forcing prices up creating equity. this is no different than creating illegal counterfiet money, any individual that run a business like that would go broke the first day. unless it was made legal to run a business without any funds , other than what is borrowed from a moneylenders,
 
They are creating money out of thin air and loaning it out.

Then, they are collecting interest on money that didn’t previously exist.

Then, if you default, they get your stuff (real assets like homes, cars, etc). Again, this is all from money that was created out of thin air…they started with a keystroke and ended up with your house. Pretty good deal for them.

The entitlement class has been created by design. We don’t need more social programs. We need a paradigm shift. We need Government to STAND DOWN. They allow money creation because they know where their bread is buttered.

This Goldman-sachs thing is just for show. Its goal is not to actually mine for truth in banking, but to create a favorable climate (among us sheep) to take over the banking industry. Great idea.
 
Hi, AthairSiochain,

Welcome back! 😃 I thought you had given up on this.
As I see it, the economy can be divided into three main groups: 1.) those who are willing to work with risk and 2.) those who are willing to work for those who are willing to work with risk and 3.) government employees and all others…

Yep! That is my quote, AthairSiochain, so let’s just take a look around and see what are some common elements about risk. The very first thing is that there is a serious limitation in being to predict the exact dimensions of a risk. While people generally can identify risky behavior (smoking 2 packs of cigaretts a day, drinking a quart of hard liquor a day, etc) some groups are statistically riskier then other groups (e.g, teenage male drivers have riskier driving habits then girls of the same age).

Once we establish that risk exists in life itself, most people would like to go on with their lives by trying to protect against the impact and effects of an untoward event. With enough people having such a desire - insurance as a concept naturally developed. By this, I mean that there was a pool of similar people, all sharing the same preceived risk and wishing to avoid it - and - willing to pay a small amount to avoid a very large loss (assuming a dollar amount can be placed on such a loss).

I drive a car and I do have insurance. One reason why I have insurance is that it is a state law. Another reason I have insurance is to protect other people should I be at fault in a motor vehicle accident. A third reason for insurance is to protect my money should the car be damaged or stolen. This is only one type of insurance - but, the concept of a pooled risk - applies to all forms of insurance. So, what does this have to do with your question - much less the thread we are on? Let’s move a another level…

If you have an idea that the world would be a better place if… ‘x’… and you really believed it. Then you would probably try to sprad this idea around in your immediate group of friends and acquaintances. You get feedback that may cause you to refine your idea - but, you first had to take the risk of announcing it - and possibly being laughed at and having your idea rejected. Most great inventors experienced similar activities. But, mere ideas must be made real if there are to go anywhere - so - you move on to the development and implementation stage. This usually costs money - an asset you are willing to risk to see your idea take shape. Many ideas die at this stage… no money at all to risk or what proves to be an inadequate amount of money because the project appears to be a bottomless hole you are throwing your money down. But, you continue and finally have a product - that does what you want it to do! Just look back and see what you have done - and, what you have risked in the process. Your name and reputation in front of others whose opinion you sought were on the line. Your money and other assets that were needed to bring this about were wagered on the success of your idea. Few (if any) stepped forward to help move your idea forward. And, now, you seek patent protection to safeguard your idea from theft! Yet another risk - and the general population still does not even know about you or your idea. Such an undertaking is not for the faint of heart!

I could go on… :D…but, I think you get the idea. Look around you. All the products you see right in front of you (like the computer you are using to view this post) were once just ideas. They did not exist in reality. Someone had to put the money up + the time and effort and vision to see the idea through - before these things existed in general. And, then, existed in your world since you now have them to look upon. There are many who do not want to take on this risk - but, are willing to work for a company (a company that many years ago never existed and prior to that, the idea for this company was only in the mind of the founder.) People that succeed in addressing risk - moving from an idea to a product that is sought by others - are rewarded by the multiple sales of their product. This reward is not based on how ‘nice’ or ‘interesting’ their idea was - but, rather - the prodcut from this idea addressed a need that the cousumer had - and they bought it.

This is a general view of what I was trying to explain about our economic system. Decrying those who take risks, bring products to market and are rewarded for their efforts is simply counter-productive. If you succeed in ‘wiping out’ the landlords and bankers because of this Marxist view of capitalism you are championing - who will feel safe to bring any idea forward?

I cant understand your thinking----- why work with a risk—landlords/money lenders dont take risks unless their greed overpowers their thinking;. the tenants live in fear of eviction, so they pay a high price for looking after the landlords investment,

SO WHY ARE THE MONEYLENDERS ALLOWED TO LEND BETWEEN $10 AND $65 FOR EVERY DOLLAR DEPOSITED IN THEIR BANK, ,

Answer they use future mortgage payments and equity as security, manipulation of the property market, forcing prices up creating equity. this is no different than creating illegal counterfiet money, any individual that run a business like that would go broke the first day. unless it was made legal to run a business without any funds , other than what is borrowed from a moneylenders,

This idea you have presented does not work anywhere in the civilized world. If you think it does - then I challenge you to produce the name(s) of the country/ies where it is working 😉

God bless

Tom
 
Hey your right. I should not be a landlord or a moneylender. I’ll just evict all my tennants and have an empty building. I won’t Loan and money either I 'll put it under the matress and take it out of circulation. That should really help the economy.
 
Hi, Cdeterma,

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… :rolleyes: Sometimes there is a problem in actually identifying or distinguishing hyperbole from actual direction. Ultimately, if this is the case, all is lost! :eek:

Best advice: Don’t feed the bears. 👍

God bless

Tom
Hey your right. I should not be a landlord or a moneylender. I’ll just evict all my tennants and have an empty building. I won’t Loan and money either I 'll put it under the matress and take it out of circulation. That should really help the economy.
 
Obviously my point in stating an absurdity was that we need landlords and moneylenders. If there were none, there would be more homeless and jobless people. In fact without moneylenders there would have been no renaissance and no middle class. There would be just landbarons and serfs. I don’t want to be a serf. Without people willing to rent property you have to buy or squat on land.

Who’s going to do either without compensation. Landlords and Moneylenders have families to feed too.
 
Yes, we need these services. However, the financial “powers that be” aren’t taking money they actually have and lending it. That would be a different story. They are not taking any risk at all. They are handing out loans out of mostly thin air and then holding the borrower accountable to pay them interest and, eventually hand over their assets in the event of default.
 
Yes, we need these services. However, the financial “powers that be” aren’t taking money they actually have and lending it. That would be a different story. They are not taking any risk at all. They are handing out loans out of mostly thin air and then holding the borrower accountable to pay them interest and, eventually hand over their assets in the event of default.
There is a grain of truth, though overstated, in what you said. The banks do creat money out of thin air. Our federal gov’t has designed it this way. Woodrow Wilson created the Federal Reserve (a bank, privately held) with the purpose to institute a Fiat Money economy instead of having a gold backed economy. WW and other progressives sought to change the system so that the store of value could no longer be held by those “greedy” people who are hoarding all the gold. Now the money derives its value in part by the amount of taxation by the fed gov’t. It was and is a sceme to redistribute the wealth.

The Fed Reserve “buys” the Debt of the Gov’t with the Money it is allowed to print. Monetizing the debt. Then the Reserve charges the Gov’t interest for the debt it bought with our own money. Causing a base for inflation. It gets more complicated.

Maybe we should go back to a commidity money and get rid of the reserve?
 
Hey your right. I should not be a landlord or a moneylender. I’ll just evict all my tennants and have an empty building. I won’t Loan and money either I 'll put it under the matress and take it out of circulation. That should really help the economy.
CARRY OUT YOUR THREAT AND YOU WILL HAVE TO GET A REAL JOB!!! –

HELPING THE ECONOMY with money you recieve from a tenant, thats fine for you,
 
There is a grain of truth, though overstated, in what you said. The banks do creat money out of thin air. Our federal gov’t has designed it this way. Woodrow Wilson created the Federal Reserve (a bank, privately held) with the purpose to institute a Fiat Money economy instead of having a gold backed economy. WW and other progressives sought to change the system so that the store of value could no longer be held by those “greedy” people who are hoarding all the gold. Now the money derives its value in part by the amount of taxation by the fed gov’t. It was and is a sceme to redistribute the wealth.

The Fed Reserve “buys” the Debt of the Gov’t with the Money it is allowed to print. Monetizing the debt. Then the Reserve charges the Gov’t interest for the debt it bought with our own money. Causing a base for inflation. It gets more complicated.

Maybe we should go back to a commidity money and get rid of the reserve?
Why not get rid of parasites… who charge rent and interest,

Why dont we educate our children,? tell them how the money system works, tell them about the banks, that hand out loans willy nilly, that are not financed out of real money, yes the money only becomes real once it is out in the community… this alone will show how the rich and powerful, have created a golden goose that never stops laying,
 
Hi, AthairSiochain,

Truly amazing how landlords and banks has fixated your every response. But, let me show you where it comes up short! :eek:
Why not get rid of parasites… who charge rent and interest,

Why dont we educate our children,? tell them how the money system works,
Actually, AthairSiochain, most people I know DO educate their children about the money system. And while the role of the Federal Reserve, fiscal and monetary policy and how M1 and M2 interact with markets is quite intersting, teaching them how to work hard, tithe, save their money, budget their expenses to match their income, and the basics of a business plan has more of a practical application. Rather then blame others for the shortcomings they experience in life - learn how to change their direction to achieve their goal. Yes, some people have more money then others - but, your idea of creating money from thin air (your view of the Fed, eh? 🤷) to feed the cupidity of landlords and bankers at the expense of everyone else, leaves no where to turn. While ‘class envy’ seems to be the basis for ‘…getting rid… of the landlords and bankers…’ you have yet to come up telling the list just what will replace it? You seem to think that Marx’s theory is sound - and obviously Lenin thought so too! So, where can you show us where your dream economy (as opposed to the nightmare you are having here) exists? Yes, I am still waiting.

God bless

Tom

tell them about the banks, that hand out loans willy nilly, that are not financed out of real money, yes the money only becomes real once it is out in the community… this alone will show how the rich and powerful, have created a golden goose that never stops laying,
 
Hey your right. I should not be a landlord or a moneylender. I’ll just evict all my tennants and have an empty building. I won’t Loan and money either I 'll put it under the matress and take it out of circulation. That should really help the economy.
Actually it might help if a lot of people did just that in that it would increase the value of money in circulation. If you burned the money you earned it would be like contributing to society and then never cashing in on your reward. the physical dollars are just a tool to exchange effort and resources. It is what ever you did to earn that money that helped the ecconomy.
 
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