Genesis v Evolution

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edwest2 said:
An unguided evolutionary process has no intrinsic ennobling aspects.God bless,Ed
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Ed, you are assuming that God’s not intervening in evolution directly makes it an unguided process. There are many theologians today who speak of God luring the world forward (Haught, Peters, Hewlett, etc.).

Petrus
 
clmowry said:
Darn, I wanted the 1,000th post.
😦 Chuck
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Chuck, 1001 is just as admirable; even moreso in some cultures. 1001 is often associated with the mystical, as in Scheherazade’s Thousand and One Nights.

Petrus
 
drpmjhess said:
Ed, you are assuming that God’s not intervening in evolution directly makes it an unguided process. There are many theologians today who speak of God luring the world forward (Haught, Peters, Hewlett, etc.).

Petrus
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I am not assuming anything. “Human Persons Created in the Image of God” is enobling. Natural processes, like water running downhill, are not.

“luring the world forward”??? What does that have to do with enobling?

God bless,
Ed
 
Thanks for the well informed (name removed by moderator)ut by members of CAF on Genesis
v. Evolution. You learn something new everyday. Joh Romanoski
 
edwest2 said:
I am not assuming anything. “Human Persons Created in the Image of God” is enobling. Natural rocesses, like water running downhill, are not. “luring the world forward”??? What does that have to do with enobling? God bless,Ed
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Ed, 13.7 billion years ago, there lay in the singularity that would become the Big Bang almost infinite potential. God created the world out of apparent non-existence, and from the chaos of a hot sea of quarks [He] called creation forth to evolve into what it is in all its diversity today. I would call bringing the universe from non-being, to being the matter of the incarnate Word, supremely ennobling. Natural processes envisioned by God in the beginning are surely ennobling.

Petrus
 
Oh please. Singularity, quarks… And God did what? The latest article on quantum mechanics is not what interests me. What is enobling about evolution as it applies to man?

/sarcasm/ Evolution is as enobling as the day is long?/sarcasm/

Creation ex Nihilo. God creates from nothing. Human Persons, part 69:

“In the Catholic perspective, neo-Darwinians who adduce random genetic variation and natural selection as evidence that the process of evolution is absolutely unguided are straying beyond what can be demonstrated by science.”

God bless,
Ed
 
Christians, let alone Catholics who try to harmonize the “scientific” beliefs of the Evolutionists with the Bible remind me of the N.R.A. trying to compromise with those who would disarm us. We have nothing to gain and much to lose.

Evolutionists have chosen to believe a lie. They have been given over to their delusion. They see what they want to see, just as alchemists, phrenologists and other “scientific” true-believers have in the past.

I wonder how many Evolutionists were worried about Y2K ten years ago. Or the new Ice Age that we were entering twenty five years ago. Or the “hole” in the ozone layer.

Before Louis Pasteur, scientists believed in the spontaneous generation of life, in the case of flies. This was disproved by Pasteur.

No one has ever observed one species “evolving” into another. So why do people believe this? Because there is no other explanation for the diversity of life, other than special creation by a Creator. Now, why do people who profess to be Christians believe it?
 
abu_kamoon said:
Now, why do people who profess to be Christians believe it?
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Because evolution is true. I’m afraid the burden is on you, abu kamoon – innocent as you appear to be of knowledge about how science works – to take your case to the 100,000 working biologists and prove to them that your explanation of species diversity (whatever your theory may be) is more serviceable than theirs. When you have succeeded in convincing these 100,000 that they are chasing a mirage, you may then report back to us Catholics who accept evolution, and direct us along a better path for righteousness sake.

Prayerfully yours,
Petrus
 
drpmjhess said:
Mr. Ex Nihilo, this would put you in direct conflict with Orogeny, who claims that all humans have immortal souls.

Petrus
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Orogeny:
Do you disagree with that?

Peace

Tim
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Could drpmjhess or Orogeny elaborate further.

Sorry, but there are a lot of posts in this 1000+ post thread from various points of view, so I’ve probably missed more than a few crucial points brought up in this discussion.

Just as a general answer, no, I don’t think “humans” before Adam had an immortal soul. But I’m willing to hear reasons why people would think that humans prior to Adam would be considered to have an immortal soul.

Sound fair?
 
abu << Christians, let alone Catholics who try to harmonize the “scientific” beliefs of the Evolutionists with the Bible remind me of the N.R.A. trying to compromise with those who would disarm us…Evolutionists have chosen to believe a lie. They have been given over to their delusion. >>

Index to Creationist Claims
Evidence for Macroevolution
Communion and Stewardship by ITC and Cardinal Ratzinger / Pope Benedict
Chance or Purpose? book by Cardinal Schonborn

Hooray!!! We broke 1000 Replies today! How much longer can this thread last? 😛

Phil P
 
drpmjhess said:
Because evolution is true. I’m afraid the burden is on you, abu kamoon – innocent as you appear to be of knowledge about how science works – to take your case to the 100,000 working biologists and prove to them that your explanation of species diversity (whatever your theory may be) is more serviceable than theirs. When you have succeeded in convincing these 100,000 that they are chasing a mirage, you may then report back to us Catholics who accept evolution, and direct us along a better path for righteousness sake.

Prayerfully yours,
Petrus
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I’d be more impressed if these 100,000 working biologists all suddenly believed in God.

I think that’s more important than the creation/evolution debate we’re engaged in.
 
PhilVaz said:
abu << Christians, let alone Catholics who try to harmonize the “scientific” beliefs of the Evolutionists with the Bible remind me of the N.R.A. trying to compromise with those who would disarm us…Evolutionists have chosen to believe a lie. They have been given over to their delusion. >>

Index to Creationist Claims
Evidence for Macroevolution
Communion and Stewardship by ITC and Cardinal Ratzinger / Pope Benedict
Chance or Purpose? book by Cardinal Schonborn

Hooray!!! We broke 1000 Replies today! How much longer can this thread last? 😛

Phil P
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We have now TIED the most number of Replies to a thread in Apologetics!

One more to beat the record at 1016 !

Sort by “Replies” in Apologetics to see what I mean.

Phil P
 
PhilVaz said:
I broke the record ! Hooray ! 👍

Phil P
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Congratulations, Phil, new record holder!

An Ex Nihilo, while I agree with you that it would be wonderful if the 100,000 biologists were all believers, the lack of belief on the part of some of them no more negates the vailidity of the theory of evolution than the lack of faith on the part of some physicists invalidates the theory of gravity.

Petrus
 
Gravity can be directly observed and demonstrated.
Electricity can be directly observed and demonstrated.

Evolution cannot be directly observed and demonstrated. Scientists have found bacteria in dirt that are resistant to regular and synthetic antibiotics.

Evolutionary theory devalues the human person. It exists outside of any supernatural influence, and therefore, reduces man to a mechanism, along with all life.

God bless,
Ed
 
drpmjhess said:
Congratulations, Phil, new record holder!

An Ex Nihilo, while I agree with you that it would be wonderful if the 100,000 biologists were all believers, the lack of belief on the part of some of them no more negates the vailidity of the theory of evolution than the lack of faith on the part of some physicists invalidates the theory of gravity.

Petrus
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Did I actually say the lack of belief on the part of some of them negates the vailidity of the theory of evolution?

I am, however, curious as to why someone would refer to the Scriptures as mumbo-jumbo. I think that’s an interesting discussion in itself.

Nevermind that.

Could either of you actually respond to my request here…
Mr. Ex Nihilo:
Could drpmjhess or Orogeny elaborate further.

Sorry, but there are a lot of posts in this 1000+ post thread from various points of view, so I’ve probably missed more than a few crucial points brought up in this discussion.

Just as a general answer, no, I don’t think “humans” before Adam had an immortal soul. But I’m willing to hear reasons why people would think that humans prior to Adam would be considered to have an immortal soul.

Sound fair?
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