Genocide in the Bible: does this trouble anyone else?

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Julius_Caesar said:
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Freddy:
That reads like you’ve just found a couple of fallacies down the back of the sofa and decided to use them whether they were applicable or not
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You think that because God orders something then means people only have to be certain that they can do it now
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No. I’m asking for your views on that. I want to know if you’d be obliged to carry out an act ordered by God whatever your personal view might be.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
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Freddy:
No. I’m asking for your views on that
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And I’m saying that what I think is irrelevant, as I’ve said thousands of times
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So I’ll have to make some assumptions. On the understanding that God is justified in commanding any act, then I assume that you would expect someone to carry out that act if you thought that they had received said command from God.

Is that correct or would you like to change that statement in any way at all?
 
Wrongly put. I may not have been the happiest student in Logic 101 but even I know that.

Now when you get your syllogism lined up properly we can address it. This. . .is not.
 
stpurl said:
Wrongly put. I may not have been the happiest student in Logic 101 but even I know that.

Now when you get your syllogism lined up properly we can address it. This. . .is not.
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I’m not in a mind to keep rephrasing terms and comments until they meet with your approval. If it’s ‘wrongly put’ then can you please, as I requested, correct it to your satisfaction.

This is a forum. Meant to be for the exchange of views and ideas. If you would like to clarify your views on this matter then we could discuss the differences between yours and mine. Else…thanks for playing and we’re done.
 
Well I don’t particularly care to examine bad logic and correct it for somebody else.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
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Freddy:
So I’ll have to make some assumptions
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Which would still be irrelevant.

We are discussing God’s actions in history, not mine ina hypothetical.
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You might want to but that has never been the point of me entering into this discussion. I want to know how people come to terms with two opposing views.

One where it is agreed that an act is immoral. And two, when it is believed that God commands it.

If you’re not interested in discussing it then fair enough. But please don’t keep telling me what I am discussing. It’s been plainly put in any number of posts. Address it or not. That’s up to you.
 
Freddy said:
But please don’t keep telling me what I am discussing
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When you are doing the exact same thing and moving the goal posts?

Doesn’t make for a discussion does it? Or do you think that it does?
 
Magnanimity said:
As I’ve said now ad nauseam within this thread, the church fathers were keenly aware of this.
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Augustine and Chrysostom are still missing from your commentary.

So maybe you should change it to “the Church Fathers who espouse my viewpoint.”
 
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According to Kenneth Kitchen in On the Reliability of the Old Testament, Joshua itself does not state they took the entire land (citing from memory, could be wrong here), and after examining the evidence says that small scale raids were most likely where the Israelites moved in, attacked, and left. This would explain why in Judges there are so many Canaanites left.
 
StudentMI said:
Joshua itself does not state they took the entire land (citing from memory, could be wrong here), and after examining the evidence says that small scale raids were most likely where the Israelites moved in, attacked, and left.
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And this helps your argument how?
 
Magnanimity said:
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Freddy:
And I’ve said many, many times that if there was only one religion and every person within that religion believed exactly the same then I could not then help but doubt my own position.
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I doubt that beauty or grandeur or even truth could subsist in uniformity. Isn’t there grandeur in diversity? Why should diversity of beliefs be a threat to any of us? There are no two people on planet earth who entirely agree with each other on any subject under the sun.
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Nice quote from Rilke. I’m not familiar with him. Maybe I’ll look into him later.

But I think the point about diversity of belief is that there is a significant difference between some religions and even within religions. And even within the same denomination it’s a fact that no-one can entirely agree.

This is perhaps an unfair comparison, but when you have a scientific truth there is universal acceptance. There quite often are no options available. You don’t get a disagreement with someone simply because they grew up in Doha or Islamabad or New Jersey.

So if someone wants to claim that they have The Truth then it should be universal. But I have two or three personal interpretations about a major facet of God in this thread.

It’s not a game changer for me. It’s simply confirmation of how I see the world.
 
Gorgias said:
However, the person is responsible for his interpretation and his actions.
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Always the case. Yes, I agree. But if I can sum up your post, it’s this:

God cannot order something immoral. So if you think He did, then the fault must be with you. And therefore…what He has ordered is justified.

I think that’s accurate, but fine tune it if you need to.
 
Freddy said:
Always the case. Yes, I agree. But if I can sum up your post, it’s this:

God cannot order something immoral. So if you think He did, then the fault must be with you. And therefore…what He has ordered is justified.

I think that’s accurate, but fine tune it if you need to.
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🤔

I think that’s my main issue with this whole topic. I just don’t understand it. Maybe I’m not meant to.

Maybe I’m just meant to dance. 😁

Oooooooh, the Israelites…
 
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