George Will renounces GOP, declares ‘This is not my party'

[Good_Tidings]

Ridgerunner asked for example were Trump said another race was inferior- you responded by posting a link to the Huffington Post that shows 10 incidents in the last 40 years were Trump was allegedly racist- but did he say that any race is inferior in any of them. In fact all of the incidents are pretty weak - like a real estate company he managed being sued twice in 1979 for allegedly not renting to two blacks or questioning the legitimacy of Native Americans who wanted to build a competing casino but did not appear to have much Native American heritage at all.

I replied that it was a pretty easy google search to find the information. The HuffPo articles came up first in a series of pages too numerous to post. If you are not concerned with the obvious racism, so be it.

 

[estesbob]

I replied that it was a pretty easy google search to find the information. The HuffPo articles came up first in a series of pages too numerous to post. If you are not concerned with the obvious racism, so be it.

It is racism only for those bound and determined declare Trump a racist . But then, like a little boy who cried Wolf, the charge of racism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner by the modern left that it is really lost all its meaning . When I was a kid racism was separate drinking fountains for African-Americans- to the modern left managing a company that was sued 40 years ago by two African-Americans makes one the modern-day equivalent of Bull Connor sicing police dogs on African-Americans.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I replied that it was a pretty easy google search to find the information. The HuffPo articles came up first in a series of pages too numerous to post. If you are not concerned with the obvious racism, so be it.

What do you mean by obvious racism? If someone makes an allegation of racism, does that mean the accused is racist?

 

[Good_Tidings]

It is racism only for those bound and determined declare Trump a racist . But then, like a little boy who cried Wolf, the charge of racism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner by the modern left that it is really lost all its meaning . When I was a kid racism was separate drinking fountains for African-Americans- to the modern left managing a company that was sued 40 years ago by two African-Americans makes one the modern-day equivalent of Bull Connor sicing police dogs on African-Americans.

I suppose if one is stuck in the 60’s one wouldn’t see it now.

 

[Good_Tidings]

It is racism only for those bound and determined declare Trump a racist . But then, like a little boy who cried Wolf, the charge of racism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner by the modern left that it is really lost all its meaning . When I was a kid racism was separate drinking fountains for African-Americans- to the modern left managing a company that was sued 40 years ago by two African-Americans makes one the modern-day equivalent of Bull Connor sicing police dogs on African-Americans.

nb There are quite a few Republicans throwing that term around with regard to Trump. It’s not an exercise in liberal talking points

 

[stinkcat_14]

I suppose if one is stuck in the 60’s one wouldn’t see it now.

In my opinion, the left is often very vague as to what they consider racism. Racism is whatever they deem racism and of course, nobody accused of racism is ever presumed innocent until proven guilty. Nor are alleged racists entitled to any sort of due process. That in my opinion has cheapened the term racism because the left uses it so loosely.

 

[estesbob]

I suppose if one is stuck in the 60’s one wouldn’t see it now.

If on stuck top the 60s one would see how shallow the accusations are today. Racism, like Homophobia, is an empty term nowadays-so overused that most people just roll their eyes when they see the terms thrown about. They are generally used only in ad hominen attacks or in an attempt to derail a discussion.

 

[Good_Tidings]

If on stuck top the 60s one would see how shallow the accusations are today. Racism, like Homophobia, is an empty term nowadays-so overused that most people just roll their eyes when they see the terms thrown about. They are generally used only in ad hominen attacks or in an attempt to derail a discussion.

I’m sure that Trump is confident his supporters think along these lines.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I’m sure that Trump is confident his supporters think along these lines.

I notice that your comments don’t have much substance, just a bunch of vague allegations. If you want to discuss racism, you are going to have to get more specific. I have noticed that most people who scream the loudest about racism actually tend to back down once you start asking specific questions. You really never get specific answers, just vague allegations. This is classic bullying behavior, which is why the left is so timid when people stand up to their bullying.

 

[Good_Tidings]

I notice that your comments don’t have much substance, just a bunch of vague allegations. If you want to discuss racism, you are going to have to get more specific. I have noticed that most people who scream the loudest about racism actually tend to back down once you start asking specific questions. You really never get specific answers, just vague allegations. This is classic bullying behavior, which is why the left is so timid when people stand up to their bullying.

I suppose some would take comfort in that argument. I have found, in defending a point I may make, usually the source is questioned, people only read a sentence or two and form an opinion on incomplete information, or the thread stops totally. As far as being vague, , Abysinnia is one a the few who post a source. Just my humble opinion.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I suppose some would take comfort in that argument. I have found, in defending a point I may make, usually the source is questioned, people only read a sentence or two and form an opinion on incomplete information, or the thread stops totally. As far as being vague, , Abysinnia is one a the few who post a source. Just my humble opinion.

I notice that you have yet to define what obvious racism is. Notice, I said nothing about sources. You make a claim, yet you refuse to back up your claim. How do you expect to have a logical discussion on racism when we cannot even get a sense of the boundaries of what is and is not racism? Like I said, classic bullying technique. I am perfectly willing to engage you in a logical conversation, but you have to put up your part of the effort. Or perhaps you feel that having a national conversation on racism is not that important?

 

[Good_Tidings]

I notice that you have yet to define what obvious racism is. Notice, I said nothing about sources. You make a claim, yet you refuse to back up your claim. How do you expect to have a logical discussion on racism when we cannot even get a sense of the boundaries of what is and is not racism? Like I said, classic bullying technique. I am perfectly willing to engage you in a logical conversation, but you have to put up your part of the effort. Or perhaps you feel that having a national conversation on racism is not that important?

I guess we can start here:
Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview with prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior.[1] Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena.

While race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. “Ethnicity” is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to “race”: the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior).

Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms “racial” and “ethnic” discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[2]

Today, the use of the term “racism” does not easily fall under a single definition.[3] It is usually found in, but usage is not limited to, law, the social and behavioral sciences, humanities, and popular culture.

 

[Darryl1958]

It is racism only for those bound and determined declare Trump a racist . But then, like a little boy who cried Wolf, the charge of racism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner by the modern left that it is really lost all its meaning . When I was a kid racism was separate drinking fountains for African-Americans- to the modern left managing a company that was sued 40 years ago by two African-Americans makes one the modern-day equivalent of Bull Connor sicing police dogs on African-Americans.

Racism today can mean not supporting your latest government social program. The reasoning is that there are a lot of poor blacks.

When police patrol crime ridden inner city neighborhoods, it is racism because it is profiling. When police do not patrol crime ridden inner city neighborhoods, it is racism because they are indifferent to providing the service that other neighborhoods get.

When terms like ‘white Hispanic’ get invented by the media in order to support charges of racism, and people accept the validity of such terms without even blinking, it really becomes apparent that we are dealing with a bunch of Chicken Littles. All that we can do is laugh at them. Their hysteria on the subject of race has gone beyond the ability to have a frank discussion about race in America.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I guess we can start here:
Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview with prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior.[1] Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena.

While race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. “Ethnicity” is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to “race”: the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior).

Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms “racial” and “ethnic” discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[2]

Today, the use of the term “racism” does not easily fall under a single definition.[3] It is usually found in, but usage is not limited to, law, the social and behavioral sciences, humanities, and popular culture.

As a “definition” of racism, nothing could possibly be more devoid of real meaning than the above. And adding “ethnic” and “discrimination on a …cultural basis” would condemn virtually every northerner in the U.S., many of whom make “discriminatory” assumptions about southerners based on cultural differences and (by the way) ancestral differences.
Obama’s comment about “people who cling to their guns and bibles” is indisputably “racist” because it’s negative and based on “cultural” values.

And in being overtly racially and ethnically divisive as a political strategy, the whole Dem party is “racist” by the above description.

Because of liberal overextension of the term, it has become almost entirely meaningless other than as an epithet to hurl at someone to gain inappropriate advantage in an argument or, certainly, a political campaign.

But it must be admitted that it can be a powerful political tool. The term has grown to be so toxic that a number of Repubs, including G. Will, apparently, disavow their own ideology in a vain attempt to escape it.

 

[estesbob]

I guess we can start here:

Today, the use of the term “racism” does not easily fall under a single definition.[3] It is usually found in, but usage is not limited to, law, the social and behavioral sciences, humanities, and popular culture.

In short racism is whatever the Left says it is. As I said it has been so overused it has lost all meaning,

 

[Good_Tidings]

In short racism is whatever the Left says it is. As I said it has been so overused it has lost all meaning,

I suppose if we can’t even agree on the definition then any discussion is pointless.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I suppose if we can’t even agree on the definition then any discussion is pointless.

Probably true. Then why do you bring the issue up, if you cannot even give a coherent definition of racism?

 

[Good_Tidings]

Probably true. Then why do you bring the issue up, if you cannot even give a coherent definition of racism?

It was a very coherent definition. Sorry that people could not see that. What is your definition of racism?

 

[Peter_J]

Racism today can mean not supporting your latest government social program. The reasoning is that there are a lot of poor blacks.

When police patrol crime ridden inner city neighborhoods, it is racism because it is profiling. When police do not patrol crime ridden inner city neighborhoods, it is racism because they are indifferent to providing the service that other neighborhoods get.

When terms like ‘white Hispanic’ get invented by the media in order to support charges of racism, and people accept the validity of such terms without even blinking, it really becomes apparent that we are dealing with a bunch of Chicken Littles. All that we can do is laugh at them. Their hysteria on the subject of race has gone beyond the ability to have a frank discussion about race in America.

If I may piggy back on that, I think that in this matter the left has little interest in convincing people from the other side – they’re all about getting people who are already leaning their way to join them completely, aka go off the deep end.

The flip side of that, of course, is that they pretend that every person on the right thinks exactly like every other person on the right.

 

[stinkcat_14]

It was a very coherent definition. Sorry that people could not see that. What is your definition of racism?

A have a very simple definition of racism. If you treat someone differently because of their race, then that is racism. What is your problem with that definition?