George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

[seekerz]

I would think notification should and generally does happen as soon as possible, but the investigation would take priority, securing the scene, gathering evidence and all that. If Martin (or any person killed) has identification, I’m sure notification comes quickly, but he didn’t, so there was a delay.

Like I said, considering this was a child, that’s just COLD.

 

[seekerz]

really? i suggest you read up on the law.

Which law would that be? The Stand-Your-Ground-even-against-kids who can’t legally pack a gun, law?

Maybe parents can have their kids’ fists certified as deadly weapons but then the self-appointed outdoors police might object to kids under 18 having fists.

 

[SwizzleStick]

He who has eyes or ears can use them. I watched the video and I couldn’t tell one way or another, so why would I need some talking head to tell me what’s there? As for the tape, if that is indeed what happened, that was one distortion, by one medial outlet, which validates my commonsense practice of watching multiple sources of information. …

They ran a grainy video so that not much could be seen. In the video I saw, they also put a logo right on Zimmerman’s head so that not much could be seen. They did this while saying he had no injuries at all, though I could see what appeared to be an injury to his head. Then, later, they “enhanced” the video where injuries to his head were more obvious. Why didn’t they just run a decent video to begin with? Perhaps because then people could see injury and that didn’t suit their agenda and manipulation of the news?

The 911 audio was explained away as an editing error, a mistake. That was convenient.

 

[jen_fla]

Why do you make such a statement? Don’t people have the right to be against civilian use of guns. Don’t you have the right to think otherwise? If so, why do you label such persons as crazy?

yes, people have a right to think what they want. i should have said the argument that anti-gun folks use is irrational. thank you for helping me clear that up.

 

[jen_fla]

Actually, the more I think about the idea of countering the ridiculous with the equally ridiculous, the more I believe the best strategy would be for some Florida legislator to propose legalizing the arming of teens for their own defense. That should put Stand-Your-Ground-even-against-children in the proper light.

no, because the law is dealing with a perpetrator and a victim. you are approaching this like it would be unfair for an axe murderer to be shot by someone with a gun. it doesn’t matter if the perp is a kid, it’s whether that person is putting someone’s life in imminent danger. got it?

 

[seekerz]

They ran a grainy video so that not much could be seen. In the video I saw, they also put a logo right on Zimmerman’s head so that not much could be seen. They did this while saying he had no injuries at all, though I could see what appeared to be an injury to his head. Then, later, they “enhanced” the video where injuries to his head were more obvious. Why didn’t they just run a decent video to begin with? Perhaps because then people could see injury and that didn’t suit their agenda and manipulation of the news?

The 911 audio was explained away as an editing error, a mistake. That was convenient.

Do you know what the original quality of the video was? The video I saw gave multiple unobstructed views of Zimmerman’s head but was obviously inconclusively to those who insist on doing their own thinking.

Let me ask though, the audio editing ‘mistake’ seems convenient to you…so do false accusations against the media for using the race entered on the police report seem any less a ‘convenient’ excuse for spreading mischief?

 

[seekerz]

no, because the law is dealing with a perpetrator and a victim. you are approaching this like it would be unfair for an axe murderer to be shot by someone with a gun. it doesn’t matter if the perp is a kid, it’s whether that person is putting someone’s life in imminent danger. got it?

No, I don’t get it. The adult is allowed to use the full gamut of life-threatening weaponry/body parts in defense of his life, even against a child. The child is not allowed the same freedoms. WHY? Don’t kids get attacked outdoors too, by adults no less?

 

[mary_bobo]

Thousands of people in the streets: grey-haired grandmas, toddlers in hoodies, kids carrying Skittles and all you saw was the NBP? My glasses are new and work pretty well; I watch TV 24/7 and never saw ANYONE on there threatening violence.

I’m not law enforcement, but I’d imagine that if anyone did threaten violence they’d have been arrested. Thus my question, why are the NBP still walking around free? If they learned the strategy of all hate-mongers and instead spouted trashy doublespeak, then I’d presume they’re still protected by the same constitution that protects other cowards like them!

 

[jen_fla]

No, I don’t get it. The adult is allowed to use the full gamut of life-threatening weaponry/body parts in defense of his life, even against a child. The child is not allowed the same freedoms. WHY? Don’t kids get attacked outdoors too, by adults no less?

you want to arm a 5 yr old too? maybe society sees parents responsible for their children’s safety.

and maybe we should start a new thread, but right now i’ve got a date with beer. as usual, i enjoy our chats. until later…

peace.

 

[seekerz]

mary_bobo:
I’m not the police and I didn’t hear them threaten violence, perhaps that’s why?

 

[seekerz]

you want to arm a 5 yr old too?

If an adult can legally shoot him in self defense, most certainly.

But no, I’m more interested in those children who are of age to be out on their own buying candy and drinks.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Like I said, considering this was a child, that’s just COLD.

I’m sure next of kin are notified in as timely a manner as possible, but that process is complicated if the deceased isn’t carrying an ID. As far as him being a minor, how would the police know that without ID? There was no way for the police to know he wasn’t an adult without ID. According to the police report, Zimmerman told the police that the subject was in his late teens. Looking at Martin would confirm that. We can only know what our eyes tell us and Martin probably looked like an adult, at least legally.

I feel bad for Dad. I guess he was probably beside himself with worry when his son didn’t come home all night. Then, the next morning, when he notified the police, he found out Trayvon had been shot to death. It is sad that there was a delay, but realistically, I don’t know that it was cold.

 

[seekerz]

I’m sure next of kin are notified in as timely a manner as possible, but that process is complicated if the deceased isn’t carrying an ID. As far as him being a minor, how would the police know that without ID? There was no way for the police to know he wasn’t an adult without ID. According to the police report, Zimmerman told the police that the subject was in his late teens. Looking at Martin would confirm that. We can only know what our eyes tell us and Martin probably looked like an adult, at least legally.

I feel bad for Dad. I guess he was probably beside himself with worry when his son didn’t come home all night. Then, the next morning, when he notified the police, he found out Trayvon had been shot to death. It is sad that there was a delay, but realistically, I don’t know that it was cold.

Oh, it was definitely cold, dead cold.

With a ‘late teen’ how does once come to a conclusion about age one way or the other? And as a matter of fact, no - I can’t simply look at that pic of Trayvon next to his dad and assume that he’s 18 or over. All I see are assumptions and more assumptions on the part of the police - eventually they’ll add up to a pretty good picture of the real scenario that day, I’m thinking…

 

[SwizzleStick]

Do you know what the original quality of the video was? The video I saw gave multiple unobstructed views of Zimmerman’s head but was obviously inconclusively to those who insist on doing their own thinking.

Let me ask though, the audio editing ‘mistake’ seems convenient to you…so do false accusations against the media for using the race entered on the police report seem any less a ‘convenient’ excuse for spreading mischief?

The original video I saw showed injury. Even so, the story that accompanied the video indicated Zimmerman had no injury, none at all. Incredibly, some allowed themselves to be led by the story rather than the video evidence and insisted Zimmerman had no injury at all. I’m sure some still believe that. Later, after the video was “enhanced,” the injury was even more apparent, but by then the accepted story was that Zimmerman was uninjured.

I concede that the police use White when a suspect is Hispanic, that the media got that designation from the police report. That is most convenient for the media and I don’t doubt they have used it to suit their slant.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Oh, it was definitely cold, dead cold.

With a ‘late teen’ how does once come to a conclusion about age one way or the other? …

Apparently, there was no way to know his exact age without an ID. He could have been a minor, could have been an adult, but he didn’t look like a child.

 

[seekerz]

The original video I saw showed injury. Even so, the story that accompanied the video indicated Zimmerman had no injury, none at all. Incredibly, some allowed themselves to be led by the story rather than the video evidence and insisted Zimmerman had no injury at all. I’m sure some still believe that. Later, after the video was “enhanced,” the injury was even more apparent, but by then the accepted story was that Zimmerman was uninjured.

I concede that the police use White when a suspect is Hispanic, that the media got that designation from the police report. That is most convenient for the media and I don’t doubt they have used it to suit their slant.

Just like it has been used on this thread to suit writers’ slants? What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, my teacher used to say.

BTW, what do you mean about the ‘accepted story’? If listeners allow media personnel or anyone else for that matter, to hijack their brains then it’s their own fault. Personally, I never accepted any such story.

 

[seekerz]

Apparently, there was no way to know his exact age without an ID. He could have been a minor, could have been an adult, but he didn’t look like a child.

I see we’re back to that all-essential ID…they needed an ID for zero part of what was necessary that night.

Even right up next to his Dad, he looks like a child to me. The same way mine does even if he’s as tall as me. A child’s face is unmistakable; not sure I even see stubble on this just-turned-17 year old; face seems as smooth as a baby’s:radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/photos/image_20120330/trayvon-martin-father.jpg

 

[SwizzleStick]

…BTW, what do you mean about the ‘accepted story’? If listeners allow media personnel or anyone else for that matter, to hijack their brains then it’s their own fault. Personally, I never accepted any such story.

Even though the video indicated injury all along, some people accepted the story that Zimmerman was completely free of injury. I personally never accepted that story either.

 

[seekerz]

Even though the video indicated injury all along, some people accepted the story that Zimmerman was completely free of injury. I personally never accepted that story either.

The video was inconclusive to me. But hey, the race entry on the police report was pretty clear and even that got turned into some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to make this story racial.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I see we’re back to that all-essential ID…they needed an ID for zero part of what was necessary that night.

Even right up next to his Dad, he looks like a child to me. The same way mine does even if he’s as tall as me. A child’s face is unmistakable; not sure I even see stubble on this just-turned-17 year old; face seems smooth as a baby’s:radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/photos/image_20120330/trayvon-martin-father.jpg

My son turned 14 in late January. He towers over me and is also taller and bigger than his dad, but he has stubble on his baby face because he has shaved a few times, mostly to get rid of his side burns. I’m sure the police would see him as an adult. They would be wrong, but I could see how they, and many others, could make that mistake.