George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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👍 Totally agree.

One thing I’m curious about, is if she thought her boyfriend was in danger, why she didn’t call the police or at the least his parents trying to get help for him? Instead she tries calling him back and when doesn’t answer does nothing? That part just floors me.
Source for the statement that she ‘did nothing’?
 
i’d also like to point out that they did not say he was racially profiling.
They didn’t have to and they may not have the type of evidence needed to prove racial profiling in a court of law. Personally, I’ve heard more than one of his neighbors (not relative, laywers or friends) justify his anxiety about*** “young black males”***, to realize what’s what within that community.

My very first posts on this subject were about one of those neighbors’ comments regarding “young black males” and burglaries in the area. People can pretend all they want, and I don’t suppose prosecutors can use televised comments of non-witnesses, but we all can read between the lines - it’s just that some insist on doing that with their eyes shut…
 
Source? I’ve been seeing this claim since yesterday…so suddenly we know that his father first said it wasn’t him, but we didn’t know that before?
I gave the link last night, in post 142
This is something we have known from the beginning. He said that the screams on the tape were not his son’s.

He has since changed this mind and now says that it was his son’s screams.
 
Perhaps it would balance out the witness intimidation and tampering on the part of the Sanford police department.
Yeah, you would think people would be concerned with finding TRUTH, not with establishing opinions of people not even in that CITY when the events occurred. “Truth, what is that…?”
 
I gave the link last night, in post 142

This is something we have known from the beginning. He said that the screams on the tape were not his son’s.

He has since changed this mind and now says that it was his son’s screams.
I got a “page not found” message. I’ve been of each of these Trayvon threads and never seemed to have read that anywhere before yesterday.
 
It will all come down to who has the best argument. If the judge lets it in, then I expect she’s going to get hammered on the stand.
Let them hammer away, TRUTH will prevail always: in these courts or in the ones above, eventually - the choice is ours.
 
👍 Totally agree.

One thing I’m curious about, is if she thought her boyfriend was in danger, why she didn’t call the police or at the least his parents trying to get help for him? Instead she tries calling him back and when doesn’t answer does nothing? That part just floors me.
Me too. Last I read, she hadn’t made a statement to the police.

Martin’s father also has stated that he thought his son was at the movies. Which means that the girlfriend didn’t call the father and tell him what happened. :eek:

I understand she was upset, but wouldn’t her mother have called someone?? Anyone?? So Martin wasn’t listed as a John Doe???
 
Me too. Last I read, she hadn’t made a statement to the police.

Martin’s father also has stated that he thought his son was at the movies. Which means that the girlfriend didn’t call the father and tell him what happened. :eek:

I understand she was upset, but wouldn’t her mother have called someone?? Anyone?? So Martin wasn’t listed as a John Doe???
So now a private citizen has the responsibility to do what a simple door to door by the police could have achieved? He was a John Doe when he didn’t have to be and that has nothing to do with a young girl.

Again, where’s the source that she* “didn’t do anything” *?
 
Nowhere in that video, do I see Mr Martin saying the voice was not his son’s. Wanna try again? I think it is VERY important to stick to the facts.
No. Many links are simply to news reports. If you don’t want to listen to the news report, it really isn’t my problem.
So now a private citizen has the responsibility to do what a simple door to door by the police could have achieved? He was a John Doe when he didn’t have to be and that has nothing to do with a young girl.

Again, where’s the source that she* “didn’t do anything” *?
If the girlfriend or her mother had called someone, anyone, Martin wouldn’t have been a John Doe. The proof that she didn’t call Martin’s parents is that they didn’t know anything about their son until morning.

Is a private citizen required to call anyone, nope. But it is sad that someone that calls herself his girlfriend, couldn’t be bothered to tell his father that something was wrong. There were claims that she went to the hospital because she was so upset. Wouldn’t her mother figure that Martin’s father would be equally upset? Wouldn’t that cause the girl’s mother to call someone? Sorry, I just don’t get it.
 
Nowhere in that video, do I see Mr Martin saying the voice was not his son’s. Wanna try again? I think it is VERY important to stick to the facts.
It’s probably not good enough for you, but this article says a witness to the event claimed it was Zimmerman screaming for help.

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/12/case-against-zimmerman-claims-voice-screaming-for-help-in-recordings-is-trayvon

*Multiple eyewitnesses have claimed that they saw Martin on top of defendant George Zimmerman as Zimmerman was on the ground and one eyewitnesses claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help. *
 
I gave the link last night, in post 142

This is something we have known from the beginning. He said that the screams on the tape were not his son’s.

He has since changed this mind and now says that it was his son’s screams.
Now that we have found that the source DOES NOT show Mr Martin saying it was not his son, is there another basis you can offer for claiming that he ‘changed his mind’? Have you asked him or are you simply assuming that the reporter was accurately conveying what some unidentified police officer said about Mr Martin (That’s TWO DEGREES of hearsay, in case you missed it). 😦
 
It’s probably not good enough for you, but this article says a witness to the event claimed it was Zimmerman screaming for help.

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/12/case-against-zimmerman-claims-voice-screaming-for-help-in-recordings-is-trayvon

*Multiple eyewitnesses have claimed that they saw Martin on top of defendant George Zimmerman as Zimmerman was on the ground and one eyewitnesses claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help. *
What IS good for all of us, is the simple TRUTH.*** Mr Martin never said on that video that the voice was not his son.*** We’ll get to the witnesses in a court of law.
 
No. Many links are simply to news reports. If you don’t want to listen to the news report, it really isn’t my problem.

If the girlfriend or her mother had called someone, anyone, Martin wouldn’t have been a John Doe. The proof that she didn’t call Martin’s parents is that they didn’t know anything about their son until morning.

Is a private citizen required to call anyone, nope. But it is sad that someone that calls herself his girlfriend, couldn’t be bothered to tell his father that something was wrong. There were claims that she went to the hospital because she was so upset. Wouldn’t her mother figure that Martin’s father would be equally upset? Wouldn’t that cause the girl’s mother to call someone? Sorry, I just don’t get it.
You’re assuming a lot. Did she even have their phone number?

As to the news report: the fact is a reporter said that some police officer said that Mr Martin said…need I go on? Seriously…
 
On what planet does a non-witness get to influence the determination of what actually happened? On the one where some are now proposing Z be investigated for canonization, I suppose. I pray for these parents everyday - they’re like bait in a barracuda tank, but God’s got their back…
Not if they are lying to sensationalize the story, He doesn’t.
 
Now that we have found that the source DOES NOT show Mr Martin saying it was not his son, is there another basis you can offer for claiming that he ‘changed his mind’? Have you asked him or are you simply assuming that the reporter was accurately conveying what some unidentified police officer said about Mr Martin (That’s TWO DEGREES of hearsay, in case you missed it). 😦
In case you missed it, this isn’t a court of law. So it really doesn’t matter if we use hearsay. 🤷

I can claim he changed his mind based on the reporting of his original statements.

If you want to use only actual statements made by the individuals, please refrain from mentioning the girlfriend. Unless you have proof that, at last, she has made a statement to the police, with the police questioning her.
 
Not if they are lying to sensationalize the story, He doesn’t.
He’s got their back no matter what, just like He’s got Zimmerman’s. Besides, offering an opinion on something that you didn’t witness can hardly be a lie unless you really did witness it.
 
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