George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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incense said:
When the police question someone. Don’t they question them about what they say? Otherwise, it would be called, taking a statement.

Isnt’ that how the police get to the truthfulness of the speaker? Could it be that the police officer was asking her how she knew who was screaming? Or told her it was the other one to see what she would say. To see how strongly she believed? It must be a mess to get to the truth in situations like this. Not just getting past the lies, but getting past the suppositions passed along as absolute truth.
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I have given a statement and I have been questioned.

Two very different things. And I would much rather give a statement. It is a whole lot easier.
 
maryjk said:
You are probably right. It is sad.

When I lost both of my parents within just a few months of each other, it was hard to put into words how I felt. I know that losing my parents does not compare to losing your child, but it is the closest I can come. Everyone around me was trying to help. But it got to where I was parroting their words, not mine. It was just easier to not have to think about it.

Once in a while my thoughts would come through, and people would look at me funny, because my thoughts didn’t jive with what I had been parroting. It was hard for my husband to get a handle on how I felt.

Again, losing my parents isn’t the same as losing a son. And I have no idea if what happened to me, has happened to her. Just trying to give a little insight.
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Well I’m sure you’re you and Sybrina’s Sybrina.
 
From the Orlando Sentinel:
George Zimmerman can ask to have the second-degree-murder charge against him dropped without having to stand trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Two years ago, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that anyone claiming “stand your ground” immunity in a death, battery or assault case can request a hearing on the evidence.

The hearing allows the prosecution and defense to argue all the elements of self-defense in the case evidence. To get charges dismissed, the accused must convince the judge that a reasonable person would believe that using deadly force or the threat of deadly force was the only way to protect his or her life, court records show.

The state’s “stand your ground” law passed in 2005 says:

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”​

That would be a really interesting twist on things.

I can see the streets just exploding if they allowed for that.
 
seekerz said:
The person saying the local relations with police are ‘overblown’ is the one who needs to justify that statement, no?
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No. They are basing it on reports and news stories, just like the rest of it. You’ve made many posts about the police in Sanford, so your irrelevant question could be asked of you, as well.
 
seekerz said:
The person saying the local relations with police are ‘overblown’ is the one who needs to justify that statement, no?
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I did justify it. You didn’t address the points but chose to attack my credibility instead. I assume that’s because you have no argument.
 
seekerz said:
Yeah, and all teenagers are totally logical, all of the time - particularly where it involves their romantic relationships and communicating with their parents. Which is why nobody’s child ever ends up dead because other teens failed to say something…Got ya.:rolleyes:
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If you can’t play nice, maybe shouldn’t be here.🤷
 
incense said:
Maybe during the sentencing. Or during the civil rights trial where the money can be made.
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A woman’s child is dead, so the talk of money is just…😦

It must be an overwhelming thing to have access to media which can reach the whole world - no wonder so many people stumble and some even show the absolute dregs at the bottom of their hate-filled souls - not so Sybrina Martin. She’s been a real champ, all things considered…
 
seekerz said:
Who’s playing?
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Maybe I can put this another way. Try laying off the self-righteous attitude. You don’t know anymore about this case than any of the rest of us. No one lives or dies based on our opinions, so chill.
 
markomalley said:
From the Orlando Sentinel:
George Zimmerman can ask to have the second-degree-murder charge against him dropped without having to stand trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Two years ago, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that anyone claiming “stand your ground” immunity in a death, battery or assault case can request a hearing on the evidence.

The hearing allows the prosecution and defense to argue all the elements of self-defense in the case evidence. To get charges dismissed, the accused must convince the judge that a reasonable person would believe that using deadly force or the threat of deadly force was the only way to protect his or her life, court records show.

The state’s “stand your ground” law passed in 2005 says:

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”​

That would be a really interesting twist on things.

I can see the streets just exploding if they allowed for that.
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From some reports that I’ve read legal experts are predicting that Zimmerman will win. Not sure they are correct, but I guess we’ll wait and see.
 
seekerz said:
A woman’s child is dead, so the talk of money is just…😦

It must be an overwhelming thing to have access to media which can reach the whole world - no wonder so many people stumble and some even show the absolute dregs at the bottom of their hate-filled souls - not so Sybrina Martin. She’s been a real champ, all things considered…
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She is the one who chose to speak publicly. She is the one who applied for two trademarks on her son. I’m hoping that was to stop the use of his name and image for commercial use. I don’t know. Is she making a profit from sales?
 
rlg94086 said:
Others have posted that she would be called to witness to the voice heard screaming on the tapes. That would be a witness…
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She witnessed nothing of the events, so tape or no tape, I don’t see a problem with her voicing an opinion.
 
incense said:
She is the one who chose to speak publicly. She is the one who applied for two trademarks on her son. I’m hoping that was to stop the use of his name and image for commercial use. I don’t know. Is she making a profit from sales?
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Why do you care? That’s her business. Again, she seems to have too much class to stoop to base financial calculations.
 
seekerz said:
She witnessed nothing of the events, so tape or no tape, I don’t see a problem with her voicing an opinion.
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Nor do I. If you and I can voice opinions, surely the victim’s mother can voice opinions.

Regarding her being a “witness,” you are incorrect. She could be called as a witness, just as a voice expert could be called as an expert witness, even though they witnessed nothing of the events.
 
Dawnia said:
Maybe I can put this another way. Try laying off the self-righteous attitude. You don’t know anymore about this case than any of the rest of us. No one lives or dies based on our opinions, so chill.
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I don’t think I’m the one who needs a chill pill. I’m not here to raise question marks about the mental processes of a vulnerable, grieving teenager who likely never asked to be part of any of this.
 
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