George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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rlg94086 said:
Nor do I. If you and I can voice opinions, surely the victim’s mother can voice opinions.

Regarding her being a “witness,” you are incorrect. She could be called as a witness, just as a voice expert could be called as an expert witness, even though they witnessed nothing of the events.
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I get that, thanks.
 
maryjk said:
I am not sure what you mean by “too much class?”
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Sybrina seems to have too much class to stoop to base obsessions over how much money the senseless death of her son will bring in - that likely won’t stop the speculation though.
 
seekerz said:
Why do you care? That’s her business. Again, she seems to have too much class to stoop to base financial calculations.
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The question was, why would Mrs. Martin ever be called to give testimony. And I offered two cases where it might happen.

You turn it into hatred. That’s a reflection of you, not me.
 
maryjk said:
It seems like you are. :sad_yes:

If you aren’t, great.
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There’s something to play about a 15/16 yr old having her puppy love gunned down and she being thrown to the wolves in front of the whole world?
 
incense said:
The question was, why would Mrs. Martin ever be called to give testimony. And I offered two cases where it might happen.

You turn it into hatred. That’s a reflection of you, not me.
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Hatred? Me? Where? :confused:
 
seekerz said:
Sybrina seems to have too much class to stoop to base obsessions over how much money the senseless death of her son will bring in - that likely won’t stop the speculation though.
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So you have proof that she has stopped all commercialization of her son? She’s not making money from the trademarks?
 
incense said:
So you have proof that she has stopped all commercialization of her son? She’s not making money from the trademarks?
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It’s not that hard to recognize the presence or absence of class, now is it? Sybrina Martin’s obviously a very classy woman. Some things just speak for themselves…
 
I don’t know if “Stand your ground” even applies here. If it happened as he claimed he couldn’t retreat - it’s a case of pure self defense.

If the analysis of the voice calling for help on the 911 tape proves to be his - he walks trial or no trial. If it proves to be Martin’s then Zimmerman is very likely going to be convicted.
 
seekerz said:
It’s not that hard to recognize the presence or absence of class, now is it? Sybrina Martin’s obviously a very classy woman. Some things just speak for themselves…
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So your answer is “no”. You have no proof or knowledge, just an opinion. And lots of nasty things to say about anyone who disagrees with you.
 
seekerz said:
Well I’m sure you’re you and Sybrina’s Sybrina.
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Which is what I said in my post. :That Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, might be doing something similar to what I was doing.

So I am not sure what your point is with this post. Unless, honestly, it was to blow off my feelings when I lost my parents. 😦
 
markomalley said:
From the Orlando Sentinel:
George Zimmerman can ask to have the second-degree-murder charge against him dropped without having to stand trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Two years ago, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that anyone claiming “stand your ground” immunity in a death, battery or assault case can request a hearing on the evidence.

The hearing allows the prosecution and defense to argue all the elements of self-defense in the case evidence. To get charges dismissed, the accused must convince the judge that a reasonable person would believe that using deadly force or the threat of deadly force was the only way to protect his or her life, court records show.

The state’s “stand your ground” law passed in 2005 says:

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”​

That would be a really interesting twist on things.

I can see the streets just exploding if they allowed for that.
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I posted this statute yesterday and my expectation is that as soon as Zimmerman asserts the right to defend himself and that he had a reasonable cause to use force, then the charges are going to be dismissed and the Martin family will not be allowed to pursue a civil action against him. Now, who knows what will happen at the federal level, but I think that the state’s charges are going to be dismissed pursuant to Florida statute.

“Section 776.032, Florida Statutes (2009) is commonly referred to as “Stand Your Ground” Law or the “Castle Doctrine.” In passing Florida’s Stand Your Ground law the legislature determined “that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others.” Ch. 05–27, at 200, Laws of Fla.”

It will be up to the prosecution to convince a judge that Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense is not applicable. Since the prosecutor did not use a grand jury, then it will be up to a judge to determine if the charge of Second Degree Murder will even be allowed to proceed.
 
seekerz said:
It’s not that hard to recognize the presence or absence of class, now is it? Sybrina Martin’s obviously a very classy woman. Some things just speak for themselves…
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A very classy woman who changed her story 180 degrees and is now claiming that George Zimmerman hunted her son with the intention of killing him…a story that isn’t corroborated by any of the publically available evidence and witness statements.
 
maryjk said:
Which is what I said in my post. :That Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, might be doing something similar to what I was doing.

So I am not sure what your point is with this post. Unless, honestly, it was to blow off my feelings when I lost my parents. 😦
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Oh, I would never do that. Sorry if it came across that way. I have sure learned these last few weeks how readily seemingly decent people can dismiss grief in others and I would never intentionally do that to another person.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
… then the charges are going to be dismissed and the Martin family will not be allowed to pursue a civil action against him. …
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Dismissal of charges won’t stop a civil action suit. OJ won the criminal case and lost the civil case. Isn’t there a case in CA where a priest was not charged with abuse, but lost in a civil case.

And then, there will be the national Civil Rights violations that the federal government is looking into.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
A very classy woman who changed her story 180 degrees and is now claiming that George Zimmerman hunted her son with the intention of killing him…a story that isn’t corroborated by any of the publically available evidence and witness statements.
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Have you never changed your mind? What does that have to do with carrying yourself with style, class, grace and dignity? Absolutely nothing…It’s called a woman’s prerogative, in case you didn’t know. 😉
 
And if the judge decides stand your ground doesn’t apply, the defense can still claim self defense in a later jury trial
 
incense said:
She is the one who chose to speak publicly. She is the one who applied for two trademarks on her son. I’m hoping that was to stop the use of his name and image for commercial use. I don’t know. Is she making a profit from sales?
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She is also the one in more pain then any of us can imagine right now.

The rhetoric and lynch mob mentality offered by the media must appear comforting.

I for one do not believe we have heard what she really thinks or feels.

The trademarks allow her control over the usage of her son’s name and image.
I have seen no evidence of her cashing in on it.

She is a mother in mourning, and it is highly likely that she is being coached exactly what to say and when.
 
incense said:
Dismissal of charges won’t stop a civil action suit. OJ won the criminal case and lost the civil case. Isn’t there a case in CA where a priest was not charged with abuse, but lost in a civil case.

And then, there will be the national Civil Rights violations that the federal government is looking into.
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Florida is not California. Read the law.
 
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