George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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The first thing the hospital does when someone is having a panic attack is to find out what happened. (Yes, I have experience with it)

Everyone has the number…

911.

"Hello, my daughter was on the phone with her boyfriend. It sounded like there was some sort of altercation and now he isn’t answering the phone. We are very worried about him.

He was in such and such neighborhood, walking.

Is there anything you can tell me?"
Silly me, of course they could have called 911 to say their daughter was having a panic attack and was in the hospital…and could they please get a phone number to find out from her boyfriend’s parents if he was in any way the cause of it?
 
Trayvon’s past troubles have been brought up a number of times now.
And we are reminded that they are irrelevent.

I imagine the same goes for Zimmerman’s past.
Actually unless Trayvon has a documented history of violence a past of drug use, or tagging school walls isn’t relevent. Zimmerman’s case hinges on Martin attacking him, if Martin has no history of attacking people that’s very relevent. Zimmerman’s history of violence towards others is RELEVANT.** In fact a history of violence is totally admissable if the defendant is claiming self defense.** He after all shot the boy and is arguing that we believe his word that he was attacked. When instead he’s the one with a very documented history of being aggressive towards others.

A history of using violence as a security officer, being considered way heavy handed in his neighborhood watch duties, that’s all extremely relevant. It may be very well that the standing your ground defense especially if this guy brandished a gun, is all in Trayvon’s defense.

And lets point out Zimmermans legal connections are relevant here too. The fact that you have a witness saying the police tried to correct her to say Zimmerman was calling for help not the boy…

Once again if at in anyway Zimmerman physically confronted this kid (and he’s got a history of doing this) and or brandished his gun . Than his Stand Your Ground defense goes completely out the window.
 
Does that small sign on the lower right of the pic show a fairly current picture of Martin? If so, is the fact that we haven’t seen that one much a result of more media manipulation? Why don’t they show that picture instead of the ones from when Martin was 12 or 14 or so? We finally are seeing current pictures of Zimmerman. Surely, there are newer photos of Martin also available?
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I want to point out to that Zimmerman comes from a well connected family.
We do not know that his family was well-connected. His father was what is called a magistrate judge in VA, which until very recently required *only *a high school diploma, no college, no law school. It was not the position of a regular judge at a trial or something–it was the man to whom the police first took someone who was arrested.

And we certainly do not know that the family was well-connected in Florida, a place which is hundreds of miles from VA.

Moreover, apparently Zimmerman was very involved in the protesting of not arresting the police officer’s son who beat a homeless man which resulted in the investigation of several police officers for their handling of that case, so if there is any bias at the police end, one might think it would be more likely to be negative rather than positive.
If what he’s saying is true that Trevyon was on top of him, wouldn’t his shirt be filled with blood?
That is a good question which we do not have any evidence about one way of the other.
Why didn’t the police interview the guy’s girlfriend she apparently wanted to be interviewed. Some talk is no autopsy was done on the body.
Who knows, and there was an autopsy performed on Trayvon Martin’s body. The coroner made some public statements about it, how Martin did not have any cuts or bruises.
For me at the very least, in SYG, you shoot someone in public, you should be arrested, you can then present your evidence of being guilty, but this guy should have been arrested immediately.
No, police do not arrest people just because something has occurred–they have to have probable cause; that is our Constitutional right as a protection against unwarranted arrests.
As for think of the innocent people who are alive because they carried a gun. Think of the innocent people would be alive if people weren’t able to carry. There’s a case coming up where an older guy got in an argument with a young white guy about kids skate boarding. According to witnesses the guy showed the younger guy his gun. So the younger guy lunched at him. The younger guy was killed. Guess what, if the older guy didn’t have a gun, the younger guy’d still be alive today.
Isn’t that man being prosecuted? There are many cases where having a gun has saved someone’s life, like the girl whose home was invaded the day after her husband’s funeral. It cuts both ways…
And according to his history most of the people Zimmerman would report on would be black. And once again, a kid talking on his cell phone in the rain… Is that really the most susicipious behavior ever…If the kid was dressed as a white preppy do you really think Zimmerman would have called it suspicious.
We actually *don’t know *why Zimmerman thought Martin’s behavior was suspicious, but since this was a racially mixed neighborhood, I doubt he would call willy-nilly
Our country has quite a huge crime rate, that other nations Canada, Europe don’t have. They have stricter gun laws.
Don’t even go here…
And given Zimmerman’s own violent past (didn’t he have a misdemeanor that could have easily been a felony and perhaps would have been for a lesser folk) he’s not someone who should be allowed to carry.
What’s “a lesser folk”? Yes, he was charged with something and the charges were dismissed. Usually the fact that charges are dismissed means that there is insufficient evidence to convict, and sometimes, wow!, the reason there is insufficient evidence is that the person isn’t the one who did it, or the person didn’t do what he was charged with. In this case, we do not know what happened in that incident.
 
Does that small sign on the lower right of the pic show a current picture of Martin? If so, is the fact that we haven’t seen that one much a result of more media manipulation? **Why don’t they show that picture instead of the ones from when Martin was 12 or 14 or so? We finally are seeing current pictures of Zimmerman. ** Surely, there newer photos of Martin also available?
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Because of how they wanted to portray them. I see it as definite media manipulation.

Zimmerman is a big evil guy.

Martin was just a little boy.

(Which may be why the police don’t believe the witness that stated that she heard a little boy. It is one thing to call your grown up son or daughter, a child. It is another to refer to a 17 year old as a “little boy,”)
 
Actually unless Trayvon has a documented history of violence a past of drug use, or tagging school walls isn’t relevent. Zimmerman’s case hinges on Martin attacking him, if Martin has no history of attacking people that’s very relevent. Zimmerman’s history of violence towards others is RELEVANT.** In fact a history of violence is totally admissable if the defendant is claiming self defense.**
Martin sent a tweet where he claims to have attacked a bus driver. At some point the validity of that will come out.
 
Well, actually, instead of creepy ginormous bugs, it was armed guys on the other side actually trying to shoot me.
I was referring to the part where the veterans of the worlds wars get sick of the civilians running things and take over. 🙂
 
Because of how they wanted to portray them. I see it as definite media manipulation.

Zimmerman is a big evil guy.

Martin was just a little boy.

(Which may be why the police don’t believe the witness that stated that she heard a little boy. It is one thing to call your grown up son or daughter, a child. It is another to refer to a 17 year old as a “little boy,”)
The handling of this case by the media has been despicable from the start. The damage they’ve caused is inexcusable. They immediately began race baiting and not representing facts honestly. I felt duped and manipulated when I found out that Zimmerman was not White. Later, they labeled him as White Hispanic, a reference I had never before heard, but I guess they had to keep White in there. Then they were using a mug shot of Zimmerman and pictures of Martin when he was maybe 12, then they did the 911 tape editing job and showed the bad video with Zimmerman’s head covered by a logo and told the outright lie indicating he had sustained no injuries at all, etc.

We finally see current pics of Zimmerman. Would it be possible to also see a recent pic of Martin too?
 
Why? Do violent offenders have more rights than people just going about their daily business? There is nothing wrong with the law. What the facts are in this particular situation, we will have to see what happens. It could very well be a case of bad judgement on everyone’s part.
amen.
 
The blood part, I’m not sure about. I mean, he was shot in the chest - that is potentially immediately bloody (if it went through his heart for instance). We’ll know in due time, I guess.
Yes, all his cothes are probably in an evidence locker right now. The blood spatter + the angle of the bullet will tell us quite a bit.
 
Does that small sign on the lower right of the pic show a fairly current picture of Martin? If so, is the fact that we haven’t seen that one much a result of more media manipulation? Why don’t they show that picture instead of the ones from when Martin was 12 or 14 or so? We finally are seeing current pictures of Zimmerman. Surely, there are newer photos of Martin also available?
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Dunno about you, but that picture looks to me like one I’ve seen on TV zillions of times. So what if they show pics of him at younger ages? When Nancy Grace, for example, features a child who has been killed, she features of them at various ages, not just the more current ones. No reason it should be different for this dead child.
 
Does anyone know what color the people he called 911 about were? Did he only call about black “suspicious” persons, or was it a reasonable mix of black/white/etc. “suspicious” persons?

I ask because the probable-cause affidavit recites that “Zimmerman confronted Martin” – which significantly contradicts Zimmerman’s story – “and a struggle ensued.”

It would be interesting if all of Zimmerman’s 911 calls were about blacks, or almost none of them were about blacks, or the mix of races he called about were similar to the community, or what have you, yes?
There was an article about it a while back that said his calls were about many different races, but the largest percentage was black.

Also, not all of his 911 calls were to report suspicious persons or crimes.
 
The handling of this case by the media has been despicable from the start. The damage they’ve caused is inexcusable. They immediately began race baiting and not representing facts honestly. I felt duped and manipulated when I found out that Zimmerman was not White. Later, they labeled him as White Hispanic, a reference I had never before heard, but I guess they had to keep White in there. Then they were using a mug shot of Zimmerman and pictures of Martin when he was maybe 12, then they did the 911 tape editing job and showed the bad video with Zimmerman’s head covered by a logo and told the outright lie indicating he had sustained no injuries at all, etc.

We finally see current pics of Zimmerman. Would it be possible to also see a recent pic of Martin too?
The media, the media, sigh. Do you happen to know what was listed as Zimmerman’s race in the police report? That really is all that is relevant regarding the media’s role in starting this off ‘despicably’, as you put it. If you can’t answer that question, it’s only fair to ‘the media’, that you reserve judgment.
 
When one is packing a gun, it’s not
a stretch to think one might be looking for trouble.
yes it is, if that person has acquired the gun legally and gone through a course for a permit.

surely you are not saying that most people that carry guns legally are looking for trouble?
 
Martin sent a tweet where he claims to have attacked a bus driver. At some point the validity of that will come out.
I’m pretty sure it’s not Trayvon claiming self-defense at this juncture. And for the record, can you prove that was his ‘tweet’? And let’s not do the Facebook username to Twitter username comparison, please? I could go on Twitter right now and open an account as SamH123 using any photo I choose, so usernames/photos really don’t count unless you know account opening dates/times, IP addresses etc etc.
 
Dunno about you, but that picture looks to me like one I’ve seen on TV zillions of times. So what if they show pics of him at younger ages? .
It has to do with fairness, seekerz. People showing the small, innocent looking, boy and an older, larger, disheveled man; side by side, are trying to bias people.

There were, and are, plenty of up to date photos of both zimmerman, and martin. It’s just that the up to date photos of martin are of him showing off his gold teeth and tatoos. I mean, for crying out loud, the boy uses a racial slur for his screen name on twitter.
 
It has to do with fairness, seekerz. People showing the small, innocent looking, boy and an older, larger, disheveled man; side by side, are trying to bias people.

There were, and are, plenty of up to date photos of both zimmerman, and martin. It’s just that the up to date photos of martin are of him showing off his gold teeth and tatoos. I mean, for crying out loud, the boy uses a racial slur for his screen name on twitter.
See my post above Calgar. Let’s all please try to refrain from bearing witness to things we can’t verify. Showing photos of murdered kids at different ages did not begin with Trayvon Martin.
 
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