George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

[seekerz]

the homeless man’s race has nothing to do with how wrong beating a person is.

And if it had something to do with the way the response was handled or not handled?

 

[jen_fla]

I would say that any law which allows an armed adult to shoot a child but does not allow the child to similarly defend himself is a bad, terrible, unjust, law and is disrespectful of life. Kinda like making fight rules that say, you can throw mud in your opponent’s eyes if you’re bigger than him, but he must keep his eyes open and his hands clean.

that would be totally stupid. what law says that? there is none as far as i know.

 

[seekerz]

Not exactly, at least not according to the article I posted earlier in the thread. Stepping down and being dismissed are two different things.

It is my understanding that Martin did not have any identification on him. How could the police inform his parents when they didn’t know who he was? Martin’s Dad called the police the next morning to report his son missing, so they were able to figure it out then, but not before.

Not to be nit-picky, but could you please try to spell Martin’s name properly? I know typos happen, but it really bothers me to see his name spelled incorrectly when it has been all over the place for weeks.

This question has been addressed multiple times: the police can get around lack of ID when a person is dead in a home or a car; why should they need it when someone is dead inside a gated housing complex? Unless they need police dogs to track their paths to their desks, the police generally can find ways to do simple things like knock on doors…

 

[SwizzleStick]

No, you don’t. You have been talking for 4 threads but unless you were there, you know exactly NOTHING more than the media has released or distorted. You may think you do, but you don’t. No one does. There are only 2 people who really know what happened, and one of them is dead. No one thinks that is a good thing, we all know it was and is a tragedy. Everything else is just people going around and around.

I agree. We’ve talked about the case a lot, but who among us really KNOWS anything but what the media has released and distorted? We know about some of the distortions, but are there more we don’t know about yet?

 

[seekerz]

The refusal is after a due investigation and a finding that there was insufficient evidence to bring about charges.

The process was followed to the letter.
The uproar is due to people not liking the findings.

Do you know what were those findings? Kindly enlighten us then.

 

[seekerz]

Are they also the same people advocating violence?
The same ones bringing about race based hatred?
The same ones that placed a bounty on another citizen?

I believe so.

Then you would be mistaken.

I heard not a single soul on any medium advocating violence - and I’m a news junkie; so unless you have a source…

Race-based hatred, like all hatred, comes from the heart - nobody can “bring out” that which does not already exist. It’s simply beyond human capability.

One small fringe of haters placed that bounty. I have to ask what motivates those who fixate on that minuscule percentage when thousands of decent people: young, old, black, white, have been marching in the streets?

PS: Whatever the motivation for the above behavior, I hope never to be met by one of them on a dark rainy night returning from the store…all they might see is a bounty hunter - and in reality I don’t even LIKE guns.

 

[seekerz]

that would be totally stupid. what law says that? there is none as far as i know.

Your post said that by law, he was underaged. So my comment is how could a law allow a child to be shot in self-defense if it does not allow said child to shoot in self-defense? Straightforward question. If gun owners can shoot at anyone anywhere and claim self defense; then it stands to reason that anyone old enough to be outside his/her house alone, should be allowed to carry a gun for self defense. Fair’s fair. Adult consequences merit adult protections.

 

[SwizzleStick]

All of that - could be, yes.

What WAS though:
black man beaten by white son of Sanford cop.
All of it caught on video.

Nothing can make those facts disappear.
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And nothing can make that relevent to the Tayvon case.

It might be relevant. The man who wouldn’t let that case go was Zimmerman himself, which seems to support the idea that Zimmerman is not a racist.

"In 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting

After Justin Collison surrendered himself to authorities, the Sanford Police Department struggled to hold its officials accountable. A lengthy investigation conducted by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office concluded that the police officials involved did not offer Justin Collison “preferential treatment.”

Still, according to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct. TheDC has obtained a copy of one of those fliers."…

Blue excerpt from: dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/

 

[seekerz]

I agree. We’ve talked about the case a lot, but who among us really KNOWS anything but what the media has released and distorted? We know about some of the distortions, but are there more we don’t know about yet?

Distortions like the media using the race assigned to Zimmerman in the police report? He should go up on that stand and say: “The media made me do it”. That would likely absolve him in the eyes of a great many.

 

[jen_fla]

And if it had something to do with the way the response was handled or not handled?

it is flat out wrong for a victim to not have equal rights under the law no matter what the excuse is.

were his rights violated? if the answer is yes, then by all means go after the spd. good luck trying to go inside someone’s head and proving what their motivation was.

 

[seekerz]

It might be relevant. The man who wouldn’t let that case go was Zimmerman himself, which seems to support the idea that Zimmerman is not a racist.

"In 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting

After Justin Collison surrendered himself to authorities, the Sanford Police Department struggled to hold its officials accountable. A lengthy investigation conducted by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office concluded that the police officials involved did not offer Justin Collison “preferential treatment.”

Still, according to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct. TheDC has obtained a copy of one of those fliers."…

Blue excerpt from: dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/

“Still, according to members of the Zimmerman family”…Not exactly the most objective of sources, but I feel their pain.

 

[seekerz]

it is flat out wrong for a victim to not have equal rights under the law no matter what the excuse is.

were his rights violated? if the answer is yes, then by all means go after the spd. good luck trying to go inside someone’s head and proving what their motivation was.

In Zimmerman’s case, all we have to do is go inside the community he was watchman for.

 

[SwizzleStick]

This question has been addressed multiple times: the police can get around lack of ID when a person is dead in a home or a car; why should they need it when someone is dead inside a gated housing complex? Unless they need police dogs to track their paths to their desks, the police generally can find ways to do simple things like knock on doors…

I apologize. I see that the question has been discussed a bit now, but it hadn’t as yet in the point of the thread where I was reading. I guess I could read all the comments to the end of the thread before commenting, but that is not my usual practice. I generally read along and comment as I go.

I think the police might knock on doors at a point in the investigation to identify someone, but first I would think they would conduct their investigation, question witnesses, call the coroner, etc, etc. I don’t think knocking on doors would be the first thing, though. I can see that they might have begun that process in the morning, but Dad called in first.

 

[seekerz]

I apologize. I see that it has now, but it hadn’t as yet in the point of the thread where I was reading. I guess I should read all the comments to the end of the thread before commenting.

I think the police might knock on doors at a point in the investigation to identify someone, but first I would think they would conduct their investigation, question witnesses, call the coroner, etc, etc. I don’t think knocking on doors would be the first thing, though. I can see that they might have begun that process in the morning, but Dad called in first.

A person dies - that too a child, and among the first priorities is not an effort to find the next of kin? It can wait till the morning? I’m not law enforcement, but that’s just COLD.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Distortions like the media using the race assigned to Zimmerman in the police report? He should go up on that stand and say: “The media made me do it”. That would likely absolve him in the eyes of a great many.

No, distortions like running a 911 audio edited in such a way as to make Zimmerman look like a racist and also showing a video that is so poor in quality that injuries cannot readily be seen while lying and saying that there are no injuries at all.

 

[kelvinf]

i’m not saying anyone here is for banning guns in general, but i will say that anti-gun folks are irrational, but that is for another thread. and by anti-gun i don’t mean what they choose to do personally, but rather impose on the rest of society.

Why do you make such a statement? Don’t people have the right to be against civilian use of guns. Don’t you have the right to think otherwise? If so, why do you label such persons as crazy?

 

[jen_fla]

Your post said that by law, he was underaged. So my comment is how could a law allow a child to be shot in self-defense if it does not allow said child to shoot in self-defense? Straightforward question. If gun owners can shoot at anyone anywhere and claim self defense; then it stands to reason that anyone old enough to be outside his/her house alone, should be allowed to carry a gun for self defense. Fair’s fair. Adult consequences merit adult protections.

really? i suggest you read up on the law.

do you not see how someone’s life can be placed in imminent danger even without a gun being involved? what if the weapon was a baseball bat?

this isn’t about choice of weapons. stand your ground applies to use of deadly force. obviously that can occur with many things. in some cases, your fists are considered deadly weapons.

 

[seekerz]

Actually, the more I think about the idea of countering the ridiculous with the equally ridiculous, the more I believe the best strategy would be for some Florida legislator to propose legalizing the arming of teens for their own defense. That should put Stand-Your-Ground-even-against-children in the proper light.

 

[SwizzleStick]

A person dies - that too a child, and among the first priorities is not an effort to find the next of kin? It can wait till the morning? I’m not law enforcement, but that’s just COLD.

I would think notification should and generally does happen as soon as possible, but the investigation would take priority, securing the scene, gathering evidence and all that. If Martin (or any person killed) has identification, I’m sure notification comes quickly, but he didn’t, so there was a delay.

 

[seekerz]

No, distortions like running a 911 audio edited in such a way as to make Zimmerman look like a racist and also showing a video that is so poor in quality that injuries cannot readily be seen while lying and saying that there are no injuries at all.

He who has eyes or ears can use them. I watched the video and I couldn’t tell one way or another, so why would I need some talking head to tell me what’s there? As for the tape, if that is indeed what happened, that was one distortion, by one medial outlet, which validates my commonsense practice of watching multiple sources of information. That’s how I picked up on the inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s defenders’ stories as they made their rounds justifying what THEY described as his basis for profiling Trayvon.