German Muslim professor expressed his doubt that Muhammad ever lived.

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Whoever wrote the article, does not matter. May be he was a Muslim. He will soon be advised to do a better job. The matter was resting on the word WALI. I have explained that it means ally or supporter or guardian.

During the announcement of marriage ceremony, it is noted about the Wali of the bride. The question there to be answered is “Who is the Wali of the bride?” Does that mean who is the friend of the bride? Surely not. It means “Who is the guardian or supporter”. So Wali means guardian or supporter and not friend.
It seems that everyone interprets wrongly when muslims are confronted with these interpretations they don’t like, but the muslims seem to follow these bad interpretations themselves - unless caught. As for ‘doing a better job’ - you mean he isn’t doing his deception better.

This video is a must see by all non-muslims to know what I am talking about - the deception that is in islam.

youtube.com/watch?v=AbJHAIE7rbE&feature=related

Oh - you muslims you don’t have to watch this. What we will get out of you is denial and more deception - so don’t bother.
 
They are wrong if they forcefully demand conversion. You may kill them.
This certainly shows the level of tolerance that I keep talking about - no compromise - nothing - just kill 'em!

Oh, and those muslims who are forcing conversions on are little girls.
** That is not true. I want you to remain a good christian, not a one only using the name of Jesus as label.**
STOP telling me what a good or bad Christian is. I guess being a good muslim means deceiving us! Or trying to make us feel guilty. Sorry, that doesn’t work with me since you are using guilt as a tactic.
kafir is an open (outspoken) enemy of Islam. If you are not an enemy then there is no problem to you.
islam and deception: youtube.com/watch?v=AbJHAIE7rbE&feature=related

There is no provision in your koran and hadiths to live peacefully with others without striving to replace our laws with islam and to not subjugate us. This is where the deception lies - it is your own base teachings that are the problem.
**I do not know who wrote that article. You had two kinds of religions, the Jewish and the christian. How different they are. The harsh, killing type religion of the Jews and the gentle, meek type of Jesus.They are world apart. If you have no problem with any of those things then why do you have problem with Islam?

I had informed all friends that our prophet had two names, Ahmad and Muhammad. Ahmad meant love and beauty. Muhammad carries grace and power. The name Muhammad had been prophesied by Moses a.s. in Deut 18:18. That was about a prophet, the like of Moses.

The name Ahmad had been prophesied by Jesus in the bible (John ch 16) when he gave good news of Parclete. That was the Comforter. That was the news about Ahmad, the like of Jesus, gentle and full of love.

The name Ahmad was acting in Makkah in the face of very high persecution by the enemies. There was no retaliation. It was like offering the other cheek.

So what is the problem. Initially the muslims had no power and were persecuted in Makkah. They were like christians. So the guidance from God was accordingly, gentle and patience.

While in Madinah the Guidance was according to the situation. There is no problem at all. i need not read the rest of the article. Thanks.**
Wow, you say we rewrote the Bible, unless you want to use it for your own purposes to prove that mohammed was prophesised! Sorry, you can’t have it both ways!
I don’t care how many names the guy had - he was still a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, a liar, an enslaver, and what not.

And as for your saying the Jews are violent - I have never heard such hogwash and trash as that sentence. When it is muslims who have over 35 aggressive battles being waged around this globe - not Jewish. They are being waged against Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists,etc.
 
mohammed was the one was the aggressor and even YOUR OWN TEXTS (the koran and hadiths) say it! Oh, tell me that these guys misinterpreted the koran - these are muslims too.🤷

This one has one that says that mohammed’s time in Mecca wasn’t so peaceful:

Ishaq:119 “'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, ‘We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew’s activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.’ Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears.”

Tabari VI:93 “The Quraysh went to Abu Talib and said, ‘Your nephew [Muhammad] has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values, and told us that our forefathers were misguided [and burning in hell]. Either curb his attacks on us or give us a free hand to deal with him, for you are as opposed to him as we are.’ They said, ‘We asked you to forbid your nephew from attacking us, but you did nothing. By Allah, we can no longer endure this vilification of our forefathers, this derision of our traditional values, and this abuse of our gods.’ This breach and enmity with his tribe weighed heavily on Talib. ‘Abu Talib, you are our elder and our chief, so give us justice against your nephew and order him to desist from reviling our gods, and we will leave him to his god.’”

Tabari VI:95 “Abu Talib sent for Muhammad. ‘Nephew, here are the shaykhs and nobles of your tribe. They have asked for justice against you. You should desist from reviling their gods and they will leave you to your god.’”

Tabari VI:96 “Abu Talib said to Muhammad, ‘Nephew, how is it that your tribe is complaining of you and claiming that you are reviling their gods and saying this, that, and the other?’ The Messenger said, 'I want them to utter one saying. If they say it, the Arabs will submit to them and the non-Arabs will pay the jizyah [submission tax] to them.”

Ishaq:121 “‘If we say contradictory things about Muhammad, we might lose our credibility [and thus the financial benefits of being heir to Qusayy’s religious scam]. Therefore, let us agree upon one criticism, which we can all claim without dispute. Some say that we should call Muhammad a deranged soothsayer. But is his the incoherent speech of a madman? [Yes] Some say he is possessed. But there is no choking, spasmodic movements, or whispering.’ [Actually, this is how Muhammad said that he endured revelations.] Others said, ‘Then let’s say he is a poet.’ ‘No, he is no poet. We know poetry in its forms.’ [They knew that the Hanif Zayd, among others, was a far better poet than Muhammad and his god.] Then they said: ‘He is a sorcerer.’ 'No, we have seen sorcerers and their sorcery. With him there is no spitting and no blowing. [There are dozens of Hadiths depicting Muhammad spitting and blowing to exorcize illness and evil spells.]”

Ishaq:130 “When the Quraysh became distressed by the trouble caused by the Apostle they called him a liar, insulted him, and accused him of being a poet, a sorcerer, a diviner [occult soothsayer], and of being possessed. However, the Apostle continued to proclaim what Allah had ordered him to proclaim. He excited their dislike by condemning their religion.”
 
This certainly shows the level of tolerance that I keep talking about - no compromise - nothing - just kill 'em!

Oh, and those muslims who are forcing conversions on are little girls.

STOP telling me what a good or bad Christian is. I guess being a good muslim means deceiving us! Or trying to make us feel guilty. Sorry, that doesn’t work with me since you are using guilt as a tactic.

islam and deception: youtube.com/watch?v=AbJHAIE7rbE&feature=related

There is no provision in your koran and hadiths to live peacefully with others without striving to replace our laws with islam and to not subjugate us. This is where the deception lies - it is your own base teachings that are the problem.

Wow, you say we rewrote the Bible, unless you want to use it for your own purposes to prove that mohammed was prophesised! Sorry, you can’t have it both ways!
I don’t care how many names the guy had - he was still a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, a liar, an enslaver, and what not.

And as for your saying the Jews are violent - I have never heard such hogwash and trash as that sentence. When it is muslims who have over 35 aggressive battles being waged around this globe - not Jewish. They are being waged against Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists,etc.
Because you had no sensible reply, you have started abusing our prophet. That was very bad. Your Every word will go and apply to your home made god.
 
Because you had no sensible reply, you have started abusing our prophet. That was very bad. Your Every word will go and apply to your home made god.
Your ‘prophet’ abused himself with his own actions and words. I only use your own hadiths and koran - and show you what you hide from others.

It is too bad that now you call me the abuser when it is he who abused and his followers who follow him.

As for your ‘respect’ for our God - it certainly now shows in your own words you have none. thanks. The more I post with you the more I find out your true heart. And not only is violence and threats ok with you - but bashing our God who you muslims state all the time is your God also. How so?! It can’t be if you seem to think it is ok to bash one but not the other!? Tell me your logic in that!

I only have quoted your own hadiths in regards to mohammed’s poor, poor behavior in Mecca and why he had to leave.
 
Sorry, I don’t buy that since it is muslim interpreters to these passages. All your explanation is to muddy the waters - just another tactic used. If you and your other muslims who tell us this would go and tell the ones killing others your interpretation - then maybe I might believe you but you don’t and have no intention to do so.
That’s truly hilarious. If they won’t act up to your caricature of them as violent fanatics, then you will go on believing that they are violent fanatics. You can’t lose that way, can you?

Edwin
 
That’s truly hilarious. If they won’t act up to your caricature of them as violent fanatics, then you will go on believing that they are violent fanatics. You can’t lose that way, can you?

Edwin
They are not all violent - I never said they were all violent. What I have said is that the masses of ‘moderates’ do indeed support the violence though by deceiving us as to what islam is, hiding and abetting in their support of the jihadists (hence, muslims charites that our government shuts down regularly - but I am sure they are being bypassed now so the government doesn’t find them so easily anymore), etc.

mohammed knew that not all of them wanted to fight (which is the highest form of jihad) so he told them to support the jihadists and to wage jihad in other ways - deception, da’wa, etc. They are doing it now via these threads, and via their demands on our schools and other institutions, and also by bullying and threatening others with lawsuits etc - if one speaks against their ‘prophet’. The problem with that last one - their own texts is what I use to show us what their ‘prophet’ was and that is what muslims try to emulate. They don’t like that!

Not all muslims are practicing muslims either, but since 9/11 we have seen a radicalization of islam (we have caught many teaching their hatred in their schools and mosques), and they force others to observe islam by what they wear. In muslim countries, mosques and people who teach a truly moderate islam are being attacked and some are killed.

We are confronted by organizations that call themselves ‘moderate’, such as CAIR and the MSA (muslim student association) and they are in fact fronts for the saudi wahabbis and also in the case of the MSA - the muslim brotherhood.

islam and deception: youtube.com/watch?v=AbJHAIE7rbE&feature=related

msa on UCIrvine - hate speech:youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1lk3xz_UE

Here is information on the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘The Project’ - an article about how/when this information was found:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE}

Here is part two of the article which has “The Project”'s document in full:
frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4

Here is a video about the Muslim Brotherhood: youtube.com/watch?v=tx0lqVZOnHw&feature=related

And here is an article to show the tie between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student Association:
studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2598/the-muslim-students-association-and-the-jihad-network

a couple of books, ‘A Never Ending War’, and ‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and ‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’

Jihad and what it means:
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CEFECC23-C7F3-451D-B9C4-AF07A0E41DE2
 
That’s truly hilarious. If they won’t act up to your caricature of them as violent fanatics, then you will go on believing that they are violent fanatics. You can’t lose that way, can you?

Edwin
If you want to read about their tactics of war - read the koran and peruse the hadiths.
 
Your ‘prophet’ abused himself with his own actions and words. I only use your own hadiths and koran - and show you what you hide from others.

It is too bad that now you call me the abuser when it is he who abused and his followers who follow him.

As for your ‘respect’ for our God - it certainly now shows in your own words you have none. thanks. The more I post with you the more I find out your true heart. And not only is violence and threats ok with you - but bashing our God who you muslims state all the time is your God also. How so?! It can’t be if you seem to think it is ok to bash one but not the other!? Tell me your logic in that!

I only have quoted your own hadiths in regards to mohammed’s poor, poor behavior in Mecca and why he had to leave.
There are some very good words in Hadith too. You picked on some faulty ones. If this practice is continued then your Jesus will not be safe too. There are bad reports about him also.
 
There are some very good words in Hadith too. You picked on some faulty ones. If this practice is continued then your Jesus will not be safe too. There are bad reports about him also.
Please show us these reports
 
Salaam/peace
Please show us these reports
Muslims respect Jesus (p) . So , we must not spread hatred about Jesus (p).

If you really are interested , then browse some jewish or anti Jesus (p) sites. As a Muslim , i felt bad when read only few lines of these .
 
Salaam/peace

Muslims respect Jesus (p) . So , we must not spread hatred about Jesus (p).

If you really are interested , then browse some jewish or anti Jesus (p) sites. As a Muslim , i felt bad when read only few lines of these .
Perhaps you might tell us more about the Jewish sites that ‘spread hatred about Jesus’?
 
If you want to read about their tactics of war - read the koran and peruse the hadiths.
But keep the bible OT open too and do not miss the ruthless killing mentioned there of children and women. There will be many war tactics against innocent non-warring, non-combatant peaceful people there.
 
Originally Posted by R_not
Sorry, I don’t buy that since it is muslim interpreters to these passages. All your explanation is to muddy the waters - just another tactic used. If you and your other muslims who tell us this would go and tell the ones killing others your interpretation - then maybe I might believe you but you don’t and have no intention to do so.
**My explanation was exact. It was necessary topresent the correct translation of the Kafir. Every non-believer is not Kafir. Only the fanatic hostile disbeliever is a Kafir.

I read today in the Quran. Quran calls the enemies (Opponents) of Jesus and his followers as Kafir. Those who opposed the teachings of Jesus were also Kafir. Try to understand.**
 
**My explanation was exact. It was necessary topresent the correct translation of the Kafir. Every non-believer is not Kafir. Only the fanatic hostile disbeliever is a Kafir.

I read today in the Quran. Quran calls the enemies (Opponents) of Jesus and his followers as Kafir. Those who opposed the teachings of Jesus were also Kafir. Try to understand.**
The Koran NEVER says that an unbeliever MUST be hostile to be designated as Kafir. Stop telling lies about your scripture please 😉
 
Hi there, I have a queation for our islamic brother and sister, please do not be offended by this question.
Islam is said to be a faith of peace ad tolerance??? Right, can you show me where on the map of the world does a muslum country that neighbours a non-muslum country live in peace and reletive harmony??? This is a genuine question not looking for a fight.
 
**My explanation was exact. It was necessary topresent the correct translation of the Kafir. Every non-believer is not Kafir. Only the fanatic hostile disbeliever is a Kafir. **
kafir means non-believer
the indonesian language absorbed the word kafir = non-believer

from wikipedia :

Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning “rejecter” or “ingrate”.** In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim)** or who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is seen as a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects. It is usually translated into English as “infidel” or “unbeliever”.

The islamic law (sharia) distinguishes three types of kafirs:
  1. kafir dhimmi, a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law
  2. kafir harbi, a non-Muslim living in a non-Muslim country
  3. kafir musta’min, a harbi visiting a Muslim country for less than a year.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir
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I read today in the Quran. Quran calls the enemies (Opponents) of Jesus and his followers as Kafir. Those who opposed the teachings of Jesus were also Kafir. Try to understand.**
yes, kafir can be used by anyone to describe a non-believer
if you are a muslim, it applies to anyone who’s not
 
Salaam/peace
…Islam is said to be a faith of peace ad tolerance??? Right, can you show me where on the map of the world does a muslum country that neighbours a non-muslum country live in peace and reletive harmony??? This is a genuine question not looking for a fight.
Christians claim Jesus (p) taught them to turn other cheek .

Can you give me one simple example when in the past or present Christians obeyed their Saviour ?

This is a genuine question not looking for a fight 🙂
 
Originally Posted by Allan M
…Islam is said to be a faith of peace ad tolerance??? Right, can you show me where on the map of the world does a muslum country that neighbours a non-muslum country live in peace and reletive harmony??? This is a genuine question not looking for a fight.
Please do not judge Islam by what the Muslim countries are doing. Do not mix politics with religion. You must have noticed Paris in France is a christian city /country. Do you know what goes on in the city? Will you take that as a christian behaviour? Surely not. So please understand the reply to your question. We respect your attitude of tolerance and decency.
 
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