Get Ready to Call Your Representative and Senator on Monday 2/26

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We’re not talking about A Bishop. We’re talking about the USCCB as a whole.

It’s funny that you can say that one political matter - abortion and contraception - is a matter or morals but this political matter isn’t. The only justification I can see is because it doesn’t align with your politics.

More to the point I think the USCCB is more than capable and qualified to decide what is a matter of morals for American Catholics. That’s their job. That’s why you have a heirarchy in the first place - to make sure private interpretation doesn’t get in the way. And it seems to me very prideful to say a lay person is a better authority on the matter.

But what do I know… I’m not Catholic. I had considered it for awhile… But this Evangelical religio-patriotism I’ve seen really puts me off. It’s like folk have wrapped the cross in the flag and forgotten that the Church is universal. Across all national lines. Just remember that whatever you do to the least of these brothers, you do to Christ. For they were hungry, and you did not give any to eat; they were thirsty, and you gave them not to drink; but most importantly for this matter, they are a stranger, and you took them not in.
 
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I do not understand the reasoning behind punishing a person who was brought here as a child. If they have become a participatory member of society, are law abiding, have a family… how in the world is it in any way moral to withhold a path to citizenship? How can you be so hard of heart?

Because the law is the law? That’s rediculous, we change them all the time for much more capricious and far less virtuous reasons.

And just to be clear, these people are not criminals.
  1. It is not a crime to be a removable person in the US.
  2. It is not a crime to be brought here as a child.
 
If you want to personally assume liability for an illegal be my guest. Put your money where your mouth is before telling me what I should or should not do.
 
I see there are many members of the Republican Catholic Church here!
 
How do you feel about sending a parent to prison for a crime? The child is then separated from the parent - - is that punishing the child? I think that’s the sad fact behind the expression “the sins of the father (are visited upon the child)”. Whether it’s prison, or being deported, yes, children suffer for the wrongs their parents have done.

How do you feel about some kind of amnesty for those people who wait for YEARS and do things the right way - i.e get the biometrics done, get their medical checks, report in to ICE, etc.

You would put the illegals ahead of the people who are trying to do it the right way? I really can’t understand or agree with this.
 
I’m not asking you to do anything. Your bishops are. I know very few people here care what I think. I should think they would care what the Successors to the Apostles think. I’ve already brought up what Saint Matthew would say. Flout it or not on your own conscience.
 
Yes, do you realize that there are people who have come here legally, who have to check in the ICE, fill out all kinds of paperwork, get medical exams, background checks, fingerprints and other biometrics, pay fees, and they still don’t get special treatment?
And then people who have managed to sneak across the border, or were snuck across by their parents, think they have a special status because their parents brought them before they were 18?
Huh?!
Honest question, do you realize Obama instituting DACA totally did that the wrong way?
 
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TheLittleLady said:
U.S. bishops declare national call-in day to urge Congress to save DACA
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TheLittleLady said:
This is a Moral issue
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Rhubarb said:
the USCCB is more than capable and qualified to decide what is a matter of morals for American Catholics. That’s their job. That’s why you have a heirarchy in the first place - to make sure private interpretation doesn’t get in the way. And it seems to me very prideful to say a lay person is a better authority on the matter.
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Is it a mortal sin to disobey your Catholic bishops in a grave moral issue?
 
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My conscience is clear. I owe them nothing other than a swift deportation.
 
“And hospitality do not forget; for by this some, being not aware of it, have entertained angels.”

I guess the Pharisee spirit still resides in some people. When people care more about law books than their fellow man.
 
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The soul that sinneth, the same shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son: the justice of the just shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
-Ezekiel 18:20
 
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The soul that sinneth, the same shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son: the justice of the just shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
-Ezekiel 18:20
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Does that mean you’re going to ignore my question? I answered yours.😎
 
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No, it is just illegal, but not immoral.
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That distinction does not exist in the case of a just law, and the law against illegally entering the country is a just one.
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It is never immoral to show mercy.
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It is not merciful to reward breaking the law.
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The ones it “rewards” are not the same ones who committed the illegal act. They are victims.
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DACA rewards those who enter the country illegally by allowing their children to remain. If their children are victims, they are victims of their own parents and only total codependence can justify letting their parents get away with it.
 
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I didn’t see a coherent question, just GOP talking points and a bunch of exclamation points, and a “but Obama” for good measure.
 
edtaylor51 said:
I didn’t see a coherent question, just GOP talking points and a bunch of exclamation points, and a “but Obama” for good measure.
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Thanks for the respectful conversation. Your response speaks volumes.
 
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