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[Spyridon]

illegal

Please don’t refer to them as “illegal” it is very dehumanizing.

Try “those in an irregular immigration situation” or something.

It’s incredibly wrong to dehumanize human beings.

Do you refer to unborn babies as “nonpersons” or “wombthings?”

 

[Theo520]

Please don’t refer to them as “illegal” it is very dehumanizing.

Try “those in an irregular immigration situation” or something.

It’s incredibly wrong to dehumanize human beings.

Do you refer to unborn babies as “nonpersons” or “wombthings?”

ROFL, thanks for the first laugh of the day ! ! !

Should we refer to prisoners of the State as “those in an irregular housing situation” so as not to dehumanize them too?

Everybody has feelings, let’s not upset anyone with short and accurate descriptive language, let’s obfuscate instead.

 

[Spyridon]

Should we refer to prisoners of the State as “those in an irregular housing situation” so as not to dehumanize them too?

I prefer “imprisoned people.”

It’s of the utmost importance not to use labels which dehumanize humans.

Dehumanizing people is what has led to the shameful state of American penal institutions.

Compare US prisons to Norse prisons. We look like a bunch of barbarians with no humanity.

 

[Theo520]

I think language should be precise and informative. The shorter the better as my English teacher taught me.

Perhaps some self reflection is warranted on your part, to understand why you dehumanize someone with one label but not another.

 

[Spyridon]

If you’re referring to my “barbarians” comment, it’s probably because that’s exactly what I meant to do.

We have lost our humanity if we think the US penal system is fine and dandy. Humans don’t treat other humans the way our jails and prisons do.

 

[philipl]

So you admit you don’t know enough about the issue, but you support it anyway?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

What harm is there to you to just ignore someone who has been living a decent life in your community for many years?

It is a harm, because it makes it more difficult for people who have been standing in line waiting for their legal approval to come to the US.

Does not. The presence of these dreamers who have been here for years has absolutely no effect on those applying for entry. Those are arbitrary quotas that are what they are - fixed.

The only thing I am requiring of others is the same thing I am doing myself - to do nothing

i thought you implied that we should show mercy. Showing mercy is not doing nothing. You propose showing mercy to those coming here illegally, but doing nothing about those requesting to come here legally. I know a case of a US husband with a foreign wife and his wife has not been able to join him legally in the US for quite some time now. She is still waiting for approval. Why reward those who break the laws but punish those who follow the law?

As I said, the two things are unrelated. But as for who would suffer the most, applying immigrants already know how to live in their native land, and presumably have friends there. Dreamers have neither. It is more of a disruption to their lives to transplant them to where they know nobody than to leave some who already knows how to live there. But as I said, the quotas are fixed. DACA will not change them.

 

[JetteZ]

As others have explained, deportation isn’t a punishment. It’s an administrative action taken against a person who has no right to be here.

Using creative writing to justify behavior doesn’t make the actions any less damaging.

Just because someone doesn’t have legal standing doesn’t mean we should treat them with less compassion or that we cannot extend rights to those people.

What reason do you have to justify not extending a path to citizenship?

All that I have read here is “the law is the law!” That’s not good enough. Laws are not justifiable simply because they exist.

 

[Loud-living-dogma]

Arkansan:

As others have explained, deportation isn’t a punishment. It’s an administrative action taken against a person who has no right to be here.

Using creative writing to justify behavior doesn’t make the actions any less damaging.

Just because someone doesn’t have legal standing doesn’t mean we should treat them with less compassion or that we cannot extend rights to those people.

What reason do you have to justify not extending a path to citizenship?

All that I have read here is “the law is the law!” That’s not good enough. Laws are not justifiable simply because they exist.

Using actual legal description = 'Creative writing"?!
Okay, JetteZ, tell us exactly how many people you would let in to immigrate every year into the US. How are you going to differentiate - - you can’t let in all the people that would like to come here!

 

[Loud-living-dogma]

Hmmm, can anyone remember the last time the American bishops make a fuss over all the Christians that are being exterminated in the Middle East?
No? Me either…

 

[AlNg]

Please don’t refer to them as “illegal” it is very dehumanizing.

What is dehumanizing is the protests of these illegal immigrants from Mexico with their spitting, their burning the American flag, their giving American citizens the finger, their cursing America and Americans. I doubt that I could post a picture of their demonstration here on CAF without being banned for posting vulgarity. But the pictures are out there on the internet. If they hate America so much, as is indicated from their protests, why do they demand American citizenship?

 

[starshiptrooper]

Alt right nationalism is your faith, it is clearly that which you believe.

‘Faith’ is a bit strong of a word here, I still identify as a Roman Catholic, thank you very much,.

If you don’t repent of this evil, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Last time I checked, you were not my confessor or God. If either situation changes, I shall heed your advice.

Why don’t you have some guts and tell us something honestly? Are you a national socialist or do you sympathize with national socialist ideology?

No. For starters, I do not believe in state control or funded healthcare, in contrast to the actual Nazis and American left.

 

[starshiptrooper]

There are a few reasons for that.

1. They think, not incorrectly, that we are soft, weak, and easily manipulated, their phony cries of victimization will be amplified with citizenship.
2. Reconquista. They are still sore losers over that dustup in the 19th century. That is why they refuse to assimilate, they think that our territory belongs to them.

 

[philipl]

Is your argument based entirely on an appeal to authority?

Yes it is, according to many here were are required to blindly follow the Bishops.

 

[JetteZ]

Using actual legal description = 'Creative writing"?! Sorry, your ignorance is showing…

Okay, JetteZ, tell us exactly how many people you would let in to immigrate every year into the US. How are you going to differentiate - - you can’t let in all the people that would like to come here!

I believe the topic at hand is allowing adults who were brought in as children a path to citizenship.

I asked you why you felt they should not be allowed a path and your reasoning was line jumping which is why other immigrants became a topic at all. I allow we don’t have the same feelings on immigration policy and can even understand some of the logic behind limited immigration. I disagree but it’s an understandable position.

I have found denying and deporting adults who were brought into the country a position that defies understanding. I have asked, repeatedly, for some understandable reason and have been given:

1. Line jumping - there can be more than one line; so, that doesn’t work for me.
2. The law is the law! - Doesn’t work for me because compassion would dictate that we can change laws that don’t make sense.
3. Deportation is not a punishment, it’s an “administrative procedure” - the forced abandonment of family, livelihood, and possessions when you have committed no crime may not fit the definition of “retribution for an offence” but it is “rough treatment or handling inflicted on a person.” It is also cruel in the “willfully causing pain or suffering to others” definition.

We have laws that allow cruelty to happen (as is the case with abortion) but to go one step further and encourage the government to act out cruelty is repugnant.

I am opening to hear how you reconcile this behavior but as of yet I haven’t heard a single one that correlates with our Christian values.

 

[philipl]

What reason do you have to justify not extending a path to citizenship?

go read what bill clinton said in the state of the union address. Same for all most all democrats in office back then. You can find over and over those exact same democrats claiming to be against illegals are now in favor of those illegals. Why? because the democratic party has lost the middle class. its voting block is in the very rich and the very poor. by allowing the illegals who tend to be in the very poor, they create new voters that will keep the dems in power.

BTW, I think we need to stop all immigration for the next 30 to 50 years. we have done it in the past and we need to do it again.

 

[Mattapoisett64]

You got it. And if someone is in prison for bank robbery, they’re not a criminal or a convict, they’re a “theftperson.”

 

[JetteZ]

go read what bill clinton said in the state of the union address. Same for all most all democrats in office back then. You can find over and over those exact same democrats claiming to be against illegals are now in favor of those illegals. Why? because the democratic party has lost the middle class. its voting block is in the very rich and the very poor. by allowing the illegals who tend to be in the very poor, they create new voters that will keep the dems in power.

What I am hearing for a reason is:
Because it will give power to the Democrats.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Mattapoisett64]

I wonder if the good bishops have ever addressed, or urged action on, the shameful treatment of our veterans, who are suffering as funds that could go to improve their care are diverted to more politically visible causes.

 

[JetteZ]

And I wonder why we can’t have a discussion on one issue where someone doesn’t bring up other failings of the government as reason we can’t work towards a solution on the topic at hand.