Get Ready to Call Your Representative and Senator on Monday 2/26

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This country would be better served and it citizens would also be better served if we look at ways to do things without the government being involved
This is off topic, but your assertion that government has no place in the lives of its citizens is pretty silly. There is a logical balance between what the private sector should be up to and what the government should be up to and there is always tension between the two… when government oversteps, waste, inefficiency and intrusion happens… when we weigh the private sector to heavily greed, imbalance and individualism rules.
 
For all those who are republican, you know you can just ask for them to go through with the “hardball” bill they’re going with now, right? It’s a great compromise that gives what donkeys and elephants want.
 
Many immigrants started arriving. These immigrants had no respect for the laws of these nations on that continent. And soon these immigrants grew in number. They brought powerful weapons with them. More powerful than the people of the nations had on the continent.
Not really immigrants but colonists. They intended to form their own colonies. They did not intend to live among the Indians.

When the Vikings came to the New World first the Indians attacked them and sent them home. When Europeans came back better equipped they succeeded in their colonization. The point is the Indians weren’t really welcoming of Europeans.
" And the last time I walked in the swamp
I sat upon a Cypress stump
I listened close and I heard the ghost
Of Osceola cry"

From a song named Seminole Wind.
Great song by John Anderson.
 
I’m not sure why you quoted me as saying that, but I certainly didn’t say that.

I believe with all my heart the Government has a direct responsibility for ensuring the basic human necessities of all its citizens (food and drink, clothing, shelter, basic health care, basic amenities) are met. I believe a healthy welfare State is integral to a healthy society. I believe we as a collective whole and Nation are only as good, as healthy, and as rich as the worst, the sickest, and the poorest among us.

I believe we most certainly are our brothers keepers, and I believe our brothers are the whole human race.
 
You do know that people can stage events in order to manipulate the public discourse, right? Also, that one group of people in San Jose in 2016 do not represent every immigrant, don’t you?

As an example, the protests of the Westboro Baptist Church do not represent every Baptist in the United States.
 
These items as “non negotiables” is a statement of opinion. It is not found in the Doctrine of the Church.

On the other hand, the teaching on how to treat immigrants is codified in Doctrine and in Scripture.
 
Agree.

We should maybe publish a pamphlet titled “Sins that Cry Out To Heaven For Serious Catholics” or “The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church for Serious Catholics”
 
Assuming we have that leeway our judgements should still be made within the confines of Christian mortality. How does that morality allow you to make the decision to be opposed to DACA?
Immigration, like virtually every other political issue, is about striking a balance between who is helped and who is harmed. This is why the church speaks both to the need to help the immigrant, and the need to consider the impact on the country they are moving to.

If I believe DACA does more harm than good then I am justified in opposing it, and your support of it is neither more nor less moral than my opposition. It is not a moral choice; it is a practical judgment about the likely outcome of taking a specific action.

We are all familiar with the words spoken in support of the immigrant, which has apparently caused all too many to ignore the words spoken in regard to the receiving community.

Certainly, the exercise of such a right [to immigrate] is to be regulated, because practicing it indiscriminately may do harm and be detrimental to the common good of the community that receives the migrant. (JPII)

It is obviously the task of Governments to regulate the migratory flows with full respect for the dignity of the persons and for their families’ needs, mindful of the requirements of the host societies. (JPII)

Illegal immigration should be prevented, but. (JPII)

As I said, there are competing interests, and finding the balance between them is not facilitated by assuming the loosest controls represent the most moral solution.
 
These items as “non negotiables” is a statement of opinion. It is not found in the Doctrine of the Church.

On the other hand, the teaching on how to treat immigrants is codified in Doctrine and in Scripture.
😑 Excuse me?

I wouldn’t recommend trying to paint immigration- especially illegal immigration- as more important than the basic right to life.

64. Our 1998 statement, Living the Gospel of Life, declares, “Abortion and euthanasia have become preeminent threats to human life and dignity because they directly attack life itself, the most fundamental good and the condition for all others” (no. 5). Abortion, the deliberate killing of a human being before birth, is never morally acceptable and must always be opposed. Cloning and destruction of human embryos for research or even for potential cures are always wrong. The purposeful taking of human life by assisted suicide and euthanasia is not an act of mercy, but an unjustifiable assault on human life.

81. The Gospel mandate to “welcome the stranger” requires Catholics to care for and stand with newcomers, authorized and unauthorized, including unaccompanied immigrant children, refugees and asylum-seekers, those unnecessarily detained, and victims of human trafficking. […] The right and responsibility of nations to control their borders and to maintain the rule of law should be recognized but pursued in a just and humane manner. The detention of immigrants should be used to protect public safety and not for purposes of deterrence or punishment; alternatives to detention, including community-based programs, should be emphasized.
 
On the other hand, the teaching on how to treat immigrants is codified in Doctrine and in Scripture.
In general terms this is true, but in specifics it is not, and what we are dealing with here are specific proposals, which anyone may support or oppose depending on what he expects the outcome to be.
 
You can add Bishop Bernard Hebda of the Minneapolis/St. Paul diocese to the list of bishops who strongly support this call-in. He just happened to be visiting our parish today and gave an impassioned call for support for this effort in his remarks at the end of mass. He received a standing ovation from our parishioners for his remarks. It is nice to realize that the Church is much more than the CAF silo.
 
I think it is great to support those who are good citizens, but what about the true criminals and bad actors among DACA children? Is there anything to filter who we are giving a path to citizenship to?
 
I’ll contact them to encourage them to first fund the border wall, improve enforcement, hire more border patrol & ICE agents, mandate E-Verify and maybe then we’ll do DACA!
 
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I think it’s because American liberals selectively use to the Pope’s authority whenever it’s convenient for them.

Sorry that you both missed that point.
 
Sorry that you both missed that point.
It was easy to miss, since you used a pronoun", they," with the wrong antecedent. The antecedent was “posters here,” not “American liberals,” whatever the heck that phrase means. As the word “liberal” has been so over-used, I do not know if it bears much more meaning that a lower-case “nazi.”
I think it’s because American liberals selectively use to the Pope’s authority
Besides, selectivity toward papal authority is pretty much fifty-fifty split on both sides of the aisle.
 
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I think it’s because American liberals selectively use to the Pope’s authority whenever it’s convenient for them.
One should be able to rely on the Pope’s authority at any time without having to “prove they are worthy” by simultaneously declaring their support for what the Pope says at other times. Otherwise dismissing their reasoning is just a variation of the ad hominem attack. (“We can’t accept anything liberals say, even if it is justified, because they are just such bad people.”)
 
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