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misstherese
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No. It is because of this verse,
Priests have the highest calling. Many lay people depend on the good spiritual life of their priests, so that they can look to them for guidance. Priests should not be divided. That is why celibacy became the norm, a tradition. Because it had good fruits.
Billy Graham is neither Catholic, nor a priest.
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glorybe
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I have known two seminarians whose parents were unhappy with that choice they made and it was indeed difficult for the young men, knowing they had disappointed their parents. But the reasoning wasn’t grandkids, it was 1) financial assistance, and 2) taking over family business.
Sons used to be encouraged to become priests years ago, by their parents and by their parish. I think that became a thing of the past, pretty much when girls started being altar servers (used to be altar boys). Coincidence? I don’t know. But being an altar boy had always been special for boys as a training tool for the priesthood. It’s no longer that.Maybe we should encourage people in America about allowing their sons to become priests. The whole parents wanting grandkids thing.
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Gab123
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Jesus Christ recomended it, Paul urged it, and the Church mandates it. Nobyody is forced to become a priest.The priesthood is not a job, it is a vocation for those who are willing to sacrifice their life inthe service of God for the salvation of souls. The reason there’s a vocation crisis is because the laity is not doing their job and they are contracepting themselves, not fruitfully multiplying and divorcing at the samer rate as non Catholics. Those who say they will only become priests if they can marry are not worthy of the vocation of the priesthood…
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AlNg
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I was looking at the following translations:
[New International Version]
Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
[New Living Translation]
Don’t we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does?
[English Standard Version]
Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
[Berean Study Bible]
Have we no right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
[Berean Literal Bible]
Have we no authority to take about a believer as a wife, as also the other apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
[New American Standard Bible ]
Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
[Christian Standard Bible]
Don’t we have the right to be accompanied by a believing wife like the other apostles, the Lord’s brothers, and Cephas?
[Contemporary English Version]
We each have the right to marry one of the Lord’s followers and to take her along with us, just as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Peter do.
[Good News Translation]
Don’t I have the right to follow the example of the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Peter, by taking a Christian wife with me on my trips?
[Holman Christian Standard Bible]
Don’t we have the right to be accompanied by a Christian wife like the other apostles, the Lord’s brothers, and Cephas?
[International Standard Version]
We have the right to take a believing wife with us like the other apostles, the Lord’s brothers, and Cephas, don’t we?
[NET Bible]
Do we not have the right to the company of a believing wife, like the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
[New Heart English Bible]
Have we no right to take along a wife who is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
[GOD’S WORD® Translation]
Don’t we have the right to take our wives along with us like the other apostles, the Lord’s brothers, and Cephas do?
[New American Standard 1977 ]
Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
[American Standard Version]
Have we no right to lead about a wife that is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
[English Revised Version]
Have we no right to lead about a wife that is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
[World English Bible]
Have we no right to take along a wife who is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
the Oxford Study Bible also has the translation wife.
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AlNg
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If the Church mandates celibacy, how do you explain the fact that there have been Popes who were married.
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hmikell7
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Absolutely positively NOT. This issue was hammered out and beaten soundly over a millennium ago for a good reason. It’s just my personal opinion on the matter (nevermind the fact that it’s also the opinion of the Church herself) that priests should be celibate, with their sole focus being on God, without the distraction presented in marriage.
I’m not saying that a married man can’t be devoted to God, but what I am saying is that a married priest isn’t going to have God as his sole and only focus. He can be as devoted as anyone, but the fact of the matter is that he will have his attention divided between his wife and our Lord
I’m not saying that a married man can’t be devoted to God, but what I am saying is that a married priest isn’t going to have God as his sole and only focus. He can be as devoted as anyone, but the fact of the matter is that he will have his attention divided between his wife and our Lord
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GEddie
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Istm that once the rule was changed or relaxed, large numbers of young men would leave or defer formation to “find a wife,” if this is really the controlling issue. Remember, prior to “the requirement,” married men were ordained, priests did not get married.
And many would never return, having never found her; or finding someone who had other ideas; etc.
The result, for some years at least, would be fewer priests, not more.
And many would never return, having never found her; or finding someone who had other ideas; etc.
The result, for some years at least, would be fewer priests, not more.
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Mboo
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Yes, but St Paul here, spoke to all Christians in general, not to the clergy! and the same St Paul added: “but if you lack continence, you must be married”
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Mboo
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there is a passage where St. Paul explains how the other apostles (and naming particulary St Peter) move with their wives in their ministry. I’m looking for this passage, I do not know if anyone can help me find it
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Mboo
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No, St. Paul gave that advice to ALL Christians, not just priests. And it was just advice, then he did not oblige. And also the same Paul said in the same passage: “If anyone lacks continence, let him get married” so even admitting that he was addressing priests it would mean that priests should get married if they lack of continence.
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AlNg
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1Cor 9:5 ?MagdalenaRita:
there is a passage where St. Paul explains how the other apostles (and naming particulary St Peter) move with their wives in their ministry. I’m looking for this passage, I do not know if anyone can help me find it
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PickyPicky
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I hope the OP will forgive this slight detour, but I notice some are concerned that it would be difficult for a married pastor to have the time (and no doubt energy) to be a husband and father in his family as well as carrying the substantial weight of being father to his parish.
My impression (and it’s just that — I am probably wrong) is that unlike in, say, an Anglican parish, Catholic laity have largely advisory roles only, and as a result the pastor carries a heavy administrative workload on top of his priestly functions. Is there scope for the laity to shoulder more of the burden?
My impression (and it’s just that — I am probably wrong) is that unlike in, say, an Anglican parish, Catholic laity have largely advisory roles only, and as a result the pastor carries a heavy administrative workload on top of his priestly functions. Is there scope for the laity to shoulder more of the burden?
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Gab123
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Again, celibacy is a discipline which the Church mandates in the Latin Rite. It was not always the case and It doesn’t mean it will always be the case.
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MikeInVA
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It isn’t the administrative burden that drives the celibate priesthood, it is the need to be a priest first and foremost. I wouldn’t want to be the priest who had to decide between saying Mass and attending his daughter’s ballet recital or sports tournament.
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Mboo
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Good! this is the passage I was looking for. And so we see very well that Peter and the other apostles exercised their ministry by being married
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Vico
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Up until about the Council of Nicaea, church law excluded men who had married more than once, but it did not impose marriage as a necessary condition.AlNg:
Good! this is the passage I was looking for. And so we see very well that Peter and the other apostles exercised their ministry by being married
See: Thurston, H. (1908). Celibacy of the Clergy. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
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Brendan
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As noted, the Greek is Sister Woman\Wife
So that leaves three options
- They are Sisters and they are Wives. In other words, the Apostles are in incestuous relationsships. I think it is safe to leave that out,
- They are wives who are treated as sisters. In other words, they ARE married, but are forgoing sexual relations. This was actually a common practice in the early Church. Married men who were ordained, but expected to practice celibacy.
- They are Sister women. Women who assist the Apostles in Ministry. This is the most likely scenario, as St. Paul includes himself in 1 Cor 9, and we know that he was unmarried, but has at least one of the these Sister women.
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PickyPicky
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Indeed not. But time pressure has been raised as a problem for married priests.
See what I mean?
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KJW5551
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It’s been raised only in the vaguest sense. As I’ve pointed out, fathers all across this country work 60+ hour weeks, miss extracurricular events, etc…and yet still make it work.
Mothers make the world go round.
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