Getting Away from the Kids?!

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I think it is important to find a balance here. My husband doesn’t understand why I am unwilling to go on vacation without our daughter, even though I have tried to explain my discomfort. But having a date night? Being away for a couple of hours? I see no harm whatsoever in that. I did not feel comfortable leaving for date night when she was a baby and still nursing, but at this stage I have no problem with it.
 
The point was that an article that only pushes one view point (I. e. that date night is so important and that didn’t even mention that it may not be the best choice depending on the age of children) alienates at least this member of the audience. No suggestions were made for those who have very young babies or who feed on demand.

Incidentally, husband and I never really dated but we have had A LOT of adventures…real life, non-repeatable events. Beats a predictable dinner and a movie any day!
Feeding on demand does not preclude ever going out to dinner, on a walk or to the store without the babies. I always fed my kids on demand, never had a schedule, and I left my home frequently for short periods of time 🤷 You seem to think that moms who like to spend a small amount of time outside of the home must not prioritize baby’s needs. That’s just not the case. Leaving the home for two hours once a week does not mean baby gets damaged or goes hungry.
 
Feeding on demand does not preclude ever going out to dinner, on a walk or to the store without the babies. I always fed my kids on demand, never had a schedule, and I left my home frequently for short periods of time 🤷 You seem to think that moms who like to spend a small amount of time outside of the home must not prioritize baby’s needs. That’s just not the case. Leaving the home for two hours once a week does not mean baby gets damaged or goes hungry.
I don’t think anything whatsoever about women who spend a small amount of time outside the home. Thinking that those who practice EBF and therefore have very few separations from baby should be acknowledged, rather than the idea that separation from babies is the only way to have a healthy marriage, does not mean I am judging you.

In my case, things are complicated by the fact that I have twins and a husband who rarely gets to be home. We go out (when his schedule allows) and take the babies with us.

I also cannot see why you would leave the babies home to go for a walk. Pushing babies uphill can build strong muscles! 🙂 But, alas, I do not have a moral judgment if you prefer to walk without babies, as your post implies. But that is not even related to the conversation!
 
I think the best summary is to say that there is a season for everything, and challenges and joys for each.
 
ExGratia,

This is way off-topic and don’t take this the wrong way, but I really have to wonder about the quality of your prenatal care if your practitioner couldn’t even figure out that you were having twins until the second one started coming out. It sounds like you did OK this time, but you have a lot of people who need you, and I urge you to think hard about optimizing your prenatal care for any future pregnancies. I would be REALLY ticked off if my healthcare provider missed the fact that I was having twins.
 
Without reading the article myself, I’m not sure I can really have an opinion, but it doesn’t sound offensive. Did the article really suggest that you cannot have a healthy marriage without a date night, or might you be reading too much into it?

I’m not sure I understand your assertion that marriages lasted longer when there was not so much of a focus on a date night. I’m not sure “date night” is even some kind of recent cultural phenomenon, either- but I’d imagine that couples who wanted to spend some time alone with each other aren’t the ones headed toward divorce.

If it’s not something you and your husband do or feel the need for right now- no problem with that. But it isn’t wrong to want a little break from the demands of being parents either, and to want to spend that break together. The concept of “date night”, whatever form it takes, may not be essential to a marriage’s survival- but it’s not a bad thing, either, for kids to see that their parents love each other and need time alone.
 
I don’t think anything whatsoever about women who spend a small amount of time outside the home. Thinking that those who practice EBF and therefore have very few separations from baby should be acknowledged, rather than the idea that separation from babies is the only way to have a healthy marriage, **does not mean I am judging you.
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In my case, things are complicated by the fact that I have twins and a husband who rarely gets to be home. We go out (when his schedule allows) and take the babies with us.

I also cannot see why you would leave the babies home to go for a walk. Pushing babies uphill can build strong muscles! 🙂 But, alas, I do not have a moral judgment if you prefer to walk without babies, as your post implies. But that is not even related to the conversation!
Marriage is important and some of the other ideas in the article were great, like praying together. But the idea that you must get away (from “the daily crazy”, as I remember one person at Engaged Encounter saying) **to function or thrive as a couple seems ludicrous.
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What do you say?
**It just seems marriages lasted longer before all the “date nights” of recent generations. **I guess I’d like to see examples that I wouldn’t find in a secular source when I’m reading a Catholic publication.

It is odd that the breastfeeding relationship gets disregarded so easily (separation would be hard on me, not just our boys), and that the feelings of kids (who often don’t get enough time with the working spouse(s) as it is…I know my dh would love more time with all of us together) are seen as unimportant.
Maybe you didn’t mean to judge those that got or get away, but your posts came off as very judgmental.

Moms that don’t breastfeed or that don’t have twins that they didn’t expect or have mothers that can handle the new grandchild, they, may be able to have even a scheduled “date night.” Others may be able to have just a little time away. It isn’t that we see our children as unimportant or that our marriage won’t last. It might just be that we have the opportunity, so we take it.
 
Maybe you didn’t mean to judge those that got or get away, but your posts came off as very judgmental.

Moms that don’t breastfeed or that don’t have twins that they didn’t expect or have mothers that can handle the new grandchild, they, may be able to have even a scheduled “date night.” Others may be able to have just a little time away. It isn’t that we see our children as unimportant or that our marriage won’t last. It might just be that we have the opportunity, so we take it.
Mea culpa. I did not mean to sound judgmental and I sincerely apologize. I will read what others write, but I’m done posting on this thread so I don’t stick my foot in my mouth! :o
 
I don’t think anything whatsoever about women who spend a small amount of time outside the home. Thinking that those who practice EBF and therefore have very few separations from baby should be acknowledged, rather than the idea that separation from babies is the only way to have a healthy marriage, does not mean I am judging you.

In my case, things are complicated by the fact that I have twins and a husband who rarely gets to be home. We go out (when his schedule allows) and take the babies with us.

I also cannot see why you would leave the babies home to go for a walk. Pushing babies uphill can build strong muscles! 🙂 But, alas, I do not have a moral judgment if you prefer to walk without babies, as your post implies. But that is not even related to the conversation!
ExGratia, there are many women–and I am one of them–who love being alone.

I have always enjoyed being alone. When I was a child, I loved going to bed so that I could be alone in my bed and read or listen to my little transistor radio (with a earphone, under the covers, of course!). I loved sitting in my bedroom alone listening to one of my few albums (the old vinyls) on my “record player” (which had been in the family since my parents were young–I think it was one of the first portable record players ever marketed!).

I loved sitting for hours in a chair and reading. I loved going hiking around the block or riding my bike through our neighborhood ALONE.

As a teenager, my favorite activity was to ride my bike for an hour or so up and down our country road (we had moved to a farm by then).

In college, I tried to have a roommate and hated it to the point where I wanted to quit college. My dad asked me if I would rather have a single room, and willingly agreed to pay for it. I’m certain that even though he didn’t say so, he understand, because HE liked to be alone. Yes, he was very sociable, but on his OWN terms, and that’s the way I am.

My mother spent many years ALONE in the farmhouse after she became invalid from arthritis. She honestly didn’t mind. I would call her, and she would joyfully tell me about all the books she had read and the baseball games she had watched (major Chicago Cubs fan!) and the radio programs she listened to.

And even before she was invalid, she would stay alone often, and if the phone rang, often she wouldn’t answer it (this was back before answering services were available for home phones). She told my brother and me, “I don’t to talk to anyone right now.”

She had lots of friends, but on HER terms.

I have two daughters, and my younger daughter hates being alone. But my older daughter inherited the love of being alone. She tried for three years in college to have a roommate, but finally gave up, and has lived alone ever since. She has had several boyfriends over the last ten years, but I suspect that one reasons things never work out is that she really likes being able to be alone when she can. She enjoys solitary sports–running and figure skating. She loves to read, and often sits in coffee shops for hours reading. She loves to listen to music. She journals extensively (has trunks full of journals that she has kept since CHILDHOOD).

Yes, she has a ton of friends, but on HER terms.

I think that there are other women like us, perhaps not quite as “fierce” about their aloneness as my mother, I, and my daughter are/were. But I think a lot of women enjoy solitary time away from babies, children, husband, parents, and friends. It’s restorative, and for people like me (and my mother and daughter), it’s necessary and vital. We shrivel if we have no “alone time.”

I am very fortunate that my husband and I fit well together. He also enjoys being alone (a computer geek). We are great companions, but we are not afraid of being apart.

A walk by myself sounds like heaven to me, and I do it regularly. When my daughters were babies, I would get up very early in the morning to be able to take a solitary walk alone before my husband left for work.

Hope this explains it to you. 🙂
 
I think the best summary is to say that there is a season for everything, and challenges and joys for each.
I say this as a fellow mother of twins: You are in for lots of joys, but you will not want for challenges, either. When you chart your path through all of this, don’t neglect a detour here and there, when you can hit an oasis!! Your babies with thank you!

Speaking of, if you do not have a twins club in your area, consider looking into fullhousemoms.com/. They have an online bulletin board, a big help when you’re trying to figure out things like how to potty train two at once or how to cope with it when they both taking up streaking as a hobby. (Oh, yes, it is common!! :eek: :D) If you live near Portland, OR, though, by all means check the club out, because the resale events are wonderful!!
 
We have never done a date night even before parenthood. My parents never did and their marriage was beautiful. We don’t eat out much. We do lots of activities as a family. We brought our baby with us for our anniversary dinner. We were honored to go as a family. It wasn’t a big deal to us to take the baby, in fact, we felt it was the best anniversary we ever had. I take immense delight in being a parent; not ready to get away any time in the foreseeable future. No vacation alone sounds as fun to me as hanging out my toddler. A 2 week vacation to anywhere I want to go but without my child…I am not interested.
 
We have never done a date night even before parenthood.
What do you mean when you say you never had a date night before parenthood? You never went out to dinner or the movies or played mini-golf or went bowling or to a party, etc… nothing at all? :confused:
 
What do you mean when you say you never had a date night before parenthood? You never went out to dinner or the movies or played mini-golf or went bowling or to a party, etc… nothing at all? :confused:
Perhaps the definition is not clear. Define date night.
So does every time we left the house to do anything together pre parenthood count as a date night?
 
What do you mean when you say you never had a date night before parenthood? You never went out to dinner or the movies or played mini-golf or went bowling or to a party, etc… nothing at all? :confused:
Never rented a movie, turned down the lights and snuggled on the couch? Never went for a walk together, holding hands and talking about your day?

I’m confused, too.
 
Never rented a movie, turned down the lights and snuggled on the couch? Never went for a walk together, holding hands and talking about your day?
So every single interaction together is labeled date night?
 
Never rented a movie, turned down the lights and snuggled on the couch? Never went for a walk together, holding hands and talking about your day?

I’m confused, too.
Obviously some snuggling at some point. We have a baby. And just might have more, even without let’s get away “date nights”. 😛
Is staying up in the house while a baby is sleeping (but watching baby on the monitor in case they wake up and need to be fed) while fixing a snack to eat while chatting and watching TV count as date night?
Walking in the park happily holding hands while a toddler holds one free hand and a dog leash is in another might not be “date night” but it is pretty wonderful.
 
So every single interaction together is labeled date night?
I would say yes, although with a qualifier–usually a “date night” is planned in advance, so that the couple can look forward to it.

A “date” is simply time spent with someone.

Usually that time is reserved for just the couple, although sometimes they double date with another couple, or go on a “group date” with lots of friends or family.

It doesn’t have to mean “going out.” Sometimes, my husband and I make a date to clean off our desks together, or go through our bookshelves and eliminate books we no longer need to keep, or plan our Christmas gifts for our daughters.

The point is, every married couple needs to demonstrate to each other that they love each other in a husband/wife way, not just a “roommate” way, or a “best friends” way, or a “ma and pa” way.

I’m sure there are couples who never, ever spend any time alone together, and their marriage is strong. But these couples are the exceptions. Most couples need exclusive “couple time”, alone, away from children and other family members, and away from friends–so that they can connect with each other in a deeper way.

Sometimes couples that don’t habitually make this time alone together a priority discover, when their children grow up and leave the nest, that they have nothing whatsoever in common because they have never developed a “couple” relationship, and they end up splitting. Look around and see how many couples you know split up shortly after the kids are all gone. It’s really sad.
 
A date is doing something with your significant other. Going out and getting to know them better. You mark it on the calendar. That is why it’s called a “date.”

It doesn’t have to be elaborate or even cost money.

Date night for my husband and I is anything that consists of doing something together…just the two of us.

Anything from the common placed “dinner and a movie” to walking the quarter-mile it takes to go from our house to the water front and getting an ice cream cone, sitting on a bench and enjoying each other’s company to something seriously elaborate that includes getting dressed up and going out on the town.

I don’t understand how anyone could marry their spouse and never go on one date with them. Unless they had an arranged marriage and met on their wedding day.
 
Perhaps the definition is not clear. Define date night.
So does every time we left the house to do anything together pre parenthood count as a date night?
So every single interaction together is labeled date night?
No, I wouldn’t consider going to the grocery store a date. Nor would going to get new tires. Nor is going to the post office.

Doing something that you did before you were married, as a date would qualify.

So it would depend on what you did before you were married.

And if you don’t want to go out with your spouse, that is fine.

But I like it when my husband and I spend time with just each other.
 
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