Getting men back to Mass

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And the churches themselves inspired awe. Men need that. So do boys. It was for very good reason that the Greeks and Romans and Catholics for nearly two millenia designed awe-inspiring buildings. Boys and men need “something bigger than myself” to respect.
And while we’re talking about it, the churches had magnificent statutes of male and female saints. What wonderful messages they were (in some places still are) to young minds. Holy men and women, life-size and larger, to inspire awe.

Think about that football game lots of the men stay home to watch. What does it show? It shows incredibly disciplined action of huge and very manly men acting out exacting roles in magnificent stadia. Think about it.
This is an incredible insight. Thank you for putting into words what had been a loosely-formed thought pinballing around in my head for quite some time.

I give the following opinions with no disrespect or offense to women. Honestly, I am sick and tired of the feminization of our Faith. Women run almost everything in most parishes and there aren’t too many priests who have the stones to stand up to them. Women lectors; women music directors; women in the Sanctuary; women as EMHCs. Little girls as altar “servers”. Sorry, it’s true. I utterly refuse to receive Holy Communion from any EMHC, much less a female one and I don’t believe they’re even necessary, regardless of parish size. The music at the parish I am soon to be leaving is disgusting, candy-a**, greeting card tripe and is almost solely performed and directed by … you got it, women.

Unless and until this changes many men will just stay home on Sundays. I do not. I have endured this nonsense for years now where I live and where I go to Mass when I travel and it can be gut-wrenching to see priests and laymen go along with this ****. I am nearly at wits end trying to reconcile all of this and I am ready to attend the EF exclusively if necessary to avoid all of the abuses. Will the real men stand up? Sorry for the redundancy but my edit time expired.
 
It is not a woman’s job to get her husband to Mass. Women have enough to do just to get themselves to Mass, let alone get a few kids dressed and out the door and the last thing a man want’s is his wife nagging him to go to Mass. That’s the quickest way to drive a man away.

-Tim-
It’s true that it is not the wife’s job to get him to Mass, but spouses SHOULD do their best to encourage them in their faith life, and work their best to get their spouse to Heaven.

And nagging is just about the least effective ways to get a husband to do something. A wife should set apart some quiet time alone, with no distractions or electronics, and have a heart-to-heart conversation with her husband. She should talk to him about what she would like to see in him and his behavior. She should ask him to be the man of the house, the husband and father he is called to be. She should speak to him about leading the family. She should talk about how the children will follow his example regarding a faith life. And she should ask him to be the masculine, heroic man he was called to be. To lead the family to God.

Speaking with men, putting the challenge to them in this way is the best way to get a good response. Men respond to challenges, and men respond to high standards. And our culture denigrates and insults the concept of the husband and father at every turn. Almost every father on tv today is a Homer Simpson clone who bounces between buffoonery, booze, and barbarism. Fathers were the role models in our families, and now they are the punch line. Men are portrayed as stupid, mouth-breathing goons who respond only to sex and beer. We need to work on getting men together to encourage one another to be strong, confident men who lead their families.
 
Father,
It seems that you have an issue with hymns at Mass. But I wonder if eliminating them is the cure all you seem to think it might be. 🤷

And I’m not sure that this is the place to find your answers. In fact, I think your parish has the answer to all of these questions. In addition, what might work at your current parish might not at your new parish. Parishes vary so much even within a diocese, let alone across a country or within the world. So when you are reassigned, that is the time to figure out what might work to get people in the pew. And what to do to keep them there.
This thread is about “Getting Men back to Mass”. I am asking for opinions as to why men don’t go, and how to encourage their attendance. Please don’t muddy the waters with other threads, but if you would stay in topic, I would like to hear your opinion on “How to get men back to Mass”! If you want to comment about another topic, please start another thread!
 
Father,
It seems that you have an issue with hymns at Mass. But I wonder if eliminating them is the cure all you seem to think it might be. 🤷

And I’m not sure that this is the place to find your answers. In fact, I think your parish has the answer to all of these questions. In addition, what might work at your current parish might not at your new parish. Parishes vary so much even within a diocese, let alone across a country or within the world. So when you are reassigned, that is the time to figure out what might work to get people in the pew. And what to do to keep them there.
Some of this, I think is cultural, and various locales have different cultures. I live in the Bible Belt (Ozarks). It was never considered unmanly to sing here. I remember picking strawberries as a child, and now and then some spiritual song or other would gain the voice of just about every picker all over the field; men included.

Ever tune into Southern Gospel singing or go to a concert? Very masculine men for the most part, belting out really neat hymns for the most part. They do have mixed-gender groups too, but the all-male groups are very prominent in that genre. And for goodness sake, both Elvis and Johnny Cash sang spirituals sometimes. It’s not foreign to everybody.

In the parishes I go to, the men will definitely sing, but only certain hymns; largely the old protestant hymns they heard on the radio from childhood on or on the “Ozark Jubilee”, but also including some of the really old songs; largely German or Irish. Interestingly, there are two or three Mozart hymns in the book,and men will sing those. Easy and memorable melody, inspiring words, good male range. Oh, and they’ll sing anything set to the melody of “Ode to Joy”, even if clumsily worded.

If the (female) music director asks the congregation to sing “Eagle’s wings” or “City of God”, or the like, it’s all female voices and sometimes some of the 1970s and early 1980s period pieces are so bad the poor director finds herself singing solo. I don’t know why she tries. Men just won’t sing songs that strike them as silly or hard to sing, no matter how many times the director gives them the opportunity. But start “How Great Thou Art” or “Holy God We Praise Thy Name” or even “Just As I Am” and they’ll rattle the stained glass windows.

Whether men will sing in, e.g., Chicago, I don’t know. Different place.
 
This thread is about “Getting Men back to Mass”. I am asking for opinions as to why men don’t go, and how to encourage their attendance. Please don’t muddy the waters with other threads, but if you would stay in topic, I would like to hear your opinion on “How to get men back to Mass”! If you want to comment about another topic, please start another thread!
OK, it just seems that you are agenda posting. 🤷

And my post was about getting men back to Mass.

Let me restate it so you understand.

I don’t think that taking away all of the hymns and replacing them with chant will bring men back to church. In fact, I think it will chase many women away.

Especially if it is bad chant, which seem to be very common.
 
This is just my ten cents, and my opinions.

Having converted from a protestant denomination I can say that the sermon is a big part of it. I converted from the church of Christ and the majority of sermons I can remember were hard line, calling men to be men and be accountable for their families and be leaders, talking about sin…etc…It is unfortunate, but rarely (at least in my case) do I hear anything remote to these things.

Also, here is an interesting article that I read that actually talks about this. I know this certain blog will probably make it “invalid” but it is definitely worth a read:
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-devirilization-of-liturgy-in-novus.html

Moderator not pitting one form of the Mass against the other, just my own opinion**

I pretty much exclusively go to the EF now, and to me it just feels more masculine and less of a show, compared to other parishes I have been too. Tons of men at the EF Masses I go to with large families…I’m sure I’ll get scolded for saying this though:)

As for how to get men back to Mass. The Mass needs to be taken seriously by the clergy, obviously something is wrong. Me personally, the parishes that I was going to, the priest did not seem to take the Mass seriously and never spoke of anything important in their homilies, so I went to places where it was taken seriously. Also, the plethora of women always around the altar and the high number of altar girls, this makes it seem feminized which will naturally, at least for me not see it as something masculine men do.
 
I hadn’t really thought to be harsh on boys. But I was one once and raised one and I genuinely believe they need to challenged in ways girls don’t, and i think they need to be awed in ways girls don’t. I think boys will rise to the occasion.
Your thoughts mirror mine. Boys and men need to feel like they have a place especially suited to them. Men want to be challenged, not be told that trying and failing is good enough. When learning responses in Latin I don’t want to hear “that was close” but rather “good try but you forgot X” or “your timing was close but you need to slow down here.” None of us are perfect but I want someone to challenge me to be more than I am.

Final note; I one hundred percent agree that both boys and men need to be awed or have a sense of something larger than themselves. What draws men into community is banding together to overcome an obstacle. If you are awed and have a goal it makes you strive to get that much closer to perfection.
 
It seems there are fewer men in church these days. What’s the cause of this? Of course our culture and loss of religious belief is a big part. But it’s more than that, I believe! Some say the men stay away because of flaccid preaching, other’s say it’s effeminate music, some might say the Church has softened it’s teaching too much. But it’s crucial to get the men back, because statistics show that children often mimic Dad’s religious practices. So if Dad doesn’t go to Mass, when the children grow up, they won’t either.

So, why don’t men attend Mass, and how do we get them back? This priest would like to hear your ideas,so I may implement them at my earliest opportunity!
Consider instead the question of what is missing after the mass rather than what might be missing nowadays during the mass and you might then get an answer to your question. Also consider how Chesterton made his points with popular sayings, proverbs, allegories by first carefully turning them inside out. So to understand why men don’t attend mass anymore you only have to notice that when priests nowadays to no avail do outreach to their male counterparts in the congregation they always advance the apologetics of C. S Lewis. They would do better to read from Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland. Because men are Orthodox and the easiest way to a man’s heart is still his stomach.

So then what is missing after the mass? Well most importantly its the Sunday meal. And what has it being replaced with? Delia Smith’s quintessential Sunday roast!

Also nowadays we have this charade of priests shaking hands outside the church. Well in my days they used to just leave that to us men. Point being that “Ite, missa est” used to mean, “Now go outside and invite or try to get yourself invited to share this Sabbath with someone else.” So there was always this ensuing melee that stood outside the church for at least half an hour where people where scrabbling to get the best pickings particularly when we had a visiting oridinariate. But it afforded us men that great chance to endlessly shake hands until the Holy Spirit came along with his broom saying “Haven’t you got homes to go to?” Alas nowadays, nobody anymore thinks of inviting their priest to share their Sabbath. Nobody stays to chat outside the church. We all just go home and watch the Sunday movie.

So in a sense you have to look at the outward visible signs of men leaving the church to understand why men are leaving the church. Yes! we are Orthodox with a big O, but also have to be allowed to spell out our own brand of orthodoxy with a little o around the dinner table and around those that we care about.
 
This is just my ten cents, and my opinions.

Having converted from a protestant denomination I can say that the sermon is a big part of it. I converted from the church of Christ and the majority of sermons I can remember were hard line, calling men to be men and be accountable for their families and be leaders, talking about sin…etc…It is unfortunate, but rarely (at least in my case) do I hear anything remote to these things.

Also, here is an interesting article that I read that actually talks about this. I know this certain blog will probably make it “invalid” but it is definitely worth a read:
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-devirilization-of-liturgy-in-novus.html

Moderator not pitting one form of the Mass against the other, just my own opinion**

I pretty much exclusively go to the EF now, and to me it just feels more masculine and less of a show, compared to other parishes I have been too. Tons of men at the EF Masses I go to with large families…I’m sure I’ll get scolded for saying this though:)

As for how to get men back to Mass. The Mass needs to be taken seriously by the clergy, obviously something is wrong. Me personally, the parishes that I was going to, the priest did not seem to take the Mass seriously and never spoke of anything important in their homilies, so I went to places where it was taken seriously. Also, the plethora of women always around the altar and the high number of altar girls, this makes it seem feminized which will naturally, at least for me not see it as something masculine men do.
Since the Eucharist is the “point” of the Mass, not the sermon, I don’t wish to overemphasize something that is of secondary importance.

However, I have sometimes wished I could be commissioned by the bishop to give public speaking lessons to parish priests. I would not want to detract from theological or moral points sincerely intended and clearly communicated, but there really is a “structure” to any kind of public speaking that makes it more effective, and it needs to be tightly woven so it has “punch” and stays in the mind. Too many priests deliver their sermons “off the cuff”. Better to read a good sermon from a text than to deliver a poor one without a text.

Also, the use of voice matters a great deal. One could say the most important things imaginable in a humdrum way, and it will lose attention.

Finally, gestures matter. People have a lot of difficulty learning how to use them well, but it can be learned.

But I imagine I would get in trouble with parish priests if I tried to select topics and actually write sermons. I think I might offend a lot of people.

One thing, though. Lots of studies show that women are not as receptive to “direct presentation” of positions and ideas as men are. They are uneasy when something is perceived as “confrontational”. They are more “collegial” and look for consensus. While it has not been my experience as a sometime public speaker in secular settings, it’s possible that in a church setting, a really stem-winding sermon might seem harsh to women unless, of course, it’s aimed at correcting mens’ faults. 🙂
 
Since the Eucharist is the “point” of the Mass, not the sermon, I don’t wish to overemphasize something that is of secondary importance.QUOTE]

Sorry but you are wrong. The high point of the mass is the end and the ite missa est where the holy spirit should descend upon you like on Pentecost and send you out as a disciple taking the Gospel to all corners of the world.
 
I hadn’t really thought to be harsh on boys. But I was one once and raised one and I genuinely believe they need to challenged in ways girls don’t, and i think they need to be awed in ways girls don’t. I think boys will rise to the occasion.
I was one too my friend and certainly did not have the destructive tendencies you mentioned. I was more into creating a building things. I loved stuff like K’Nex, Steel Tech, Lego’s, and Construx. My grandfather used to buy those electronic kits for me and I learned about circuitry and so forth. Not all Biblical men were grunting warriors. St. Joseph certainly wasn’t.

Athletics may be an appeal. When I was younger I used to play on the Catholic school league before it was terminated. Maybe Churches can organize intramural sports and compete against one another. Game on Saturday, Mass on Sunday? Let the game be a fundraiser? Winning Church decides what ministry the funds go towards?

I also think we have a message problem when it comes to boys in society in general. Boys have a lot of energy. Often times we take a highly energetic boy and drug him to get him to behave. Kids know the score and I think a lot of boys feels inferior to their female counter parts because of these issues. One of my neighbors was saying that his 8 year old son burst into tears and apologized he couldn’t be more like his sister after a parent teacher conference. Is that the legacy we want to leave in our young men? I think in trying to make society female-friendly we put their needs far ahead of our boys.
 
I haven’t really noticed less men than women in our parish. Father, perhaps it’s a problem in your part of the country.

Also, keep in mind that men die younger than women, so many of the older women who attend Mass have lost their husbands and brothers to death. So there will probably always be more women in Mass just for this reason alone.

I am dismayed to see the “wish lists” for Mass that many of the men posting in this thread have made. Most of the men who are posting these lists already attend Mass, right? Do they really speak for all those who DON’T attend Mass?! I tend to doubt it.

I’ll be honest–I don’t think that the men (and women) who stay away from Mass would come back even if the Mass were “perfect” which it never ever will be on this earth.

**I don’t think men stay away from Mass because the Mass or the parish is “lacking” anything. I think men stay away because THEY are lacking something. **

Here are two things that I think many men “lack,” and I’ll warn you–this is honest writing from a woman, and I hope that it is helpful, not hurtful.
  1. Energy. Many men are exhausted from working at a job (or jobs) that keeps them desk-bound and stressed-out all week and often way over 8 hours a day. Many men have to be “on call” or work mandatory overtime (and in salaried jobs, that overtime doesn’t necessarily get them any more pay). Many men are working several jobs to be able to make ends meet in this economy that is not family-friendly (so much of the money earned goes to taxes, which never seem to benefit those working).
So when the weekend comes along, they find it difficult to just “sit” in church, and I think that many men are embarrassed to drift off to sleep or yawn all the way through Mass–so they just stay home to rest. For a lot of men, the time while their wives and children are at church is precious “down time” for them–they can finally have a little peace and quiet for just an hour without having to deal with the little ones or be “sensitive” to their wife’s’ needs.
  1. Purity. Half the married men in the U.S. are divorced. That means that unless they have gone through the annulment process, they are not able to receive Holy Communion, which makes them feel self-conscious in front of others at church. And frankly, I think a lot of men who are divorced are a little mad at the Church (and at the world in general) and probably pretty depressed, too. And many of these men are dating someone, and they know that this is “wrong,” but they are lonely.

    Also, the vast majority of men in the U.S. use some form of porn (some struggle to stop, and others have just given up and use porn habitually), and they masturbate regularly. This is a mortal sin, and therefore, those who have committed it are not supposed to receive Holy Communion. But many men are embarrassed to go to Reconciliation week after week to confess the same sin. And I think that many Catholic men wonder if it really, truly IS a sin, because most Protestants don’t consider it a sin at all.
So it’s no wonder men don’t go to Mass–they can’t “legally” participate in Holy Communion, and they don’t see the use of going to just sit there and look like a “sinner” in front of others.

Again, I hope this is helpful. And once again, I don’t think the music, preaching, decor, or any of the deficiencies in the Mass has anything to do with lack of attendance. Men who are exhausted, or who are caught up in divorce, or in an impure sexual sin, will probably be even more likely to avoid a “perfect” Mass!
 
It is not a woman’s job to get her husband to Mass. Women have enough to do just to get themselves to Mass, let alone get a few kids dressed and out the door and the last thing a man want’s is his wife nagging him to go to Mass. That’s the quickest way to drive a man away.

-Tim-
I am glad a man recognizes this. My husband does not attend Mass, and the more I nagged him, the more resistant he became. So now I don’t say a word and he still does not go. I refuse to take any of the blame for that. He’s a big boy. It is not my job to drag his behind out of bed to go to Mass. And, what I have observed over the years is that it’s always been the case that more women than men attend Mass. In reality, it’s usually the woman who passes down the faith more often than the men.

You know, there is the aspect of sheer laziness to consider, and I suspect this plays a bigger reason than people are willing to admit. In fact, I haven’t seen it mentioned, yet I know many men who just don’t want to take the time to go.
 
I haven’t really noticed less men than women in our parish. Father, perhaps it’s a problem in your part of the country.

Also, keep in mind that men die younger than women, so many of the older women who attend Mass have lost their husbands and brothers to death. So there will probably always be more women in Mass just for this reason alone.

I am dismayed to see the “wish lists” for Mass that many of the men posting in this thread have made. Most of the men who are posting these lists already attend Mass, right? Do they really speak for all those who DON’T attend Mass?! I tend to doubt it.

I’ll be honest–I don’t think that the men (and women) who stay away from Mass would come back even if the Mass were “perfect” which it never ever will be on this earth.

**I don’t think men stay away from Mass because the Mass or the parish is “lacking” anything. I think men stay away because THEY are lacking something. **

Here are two things that I think many men “lack,” and I’ll warn you–this is honest writing from a woman, and I hope that it is helpful, not hurtful.
  1. Energy. Many men are exhausted from working at a job (or jobs) that keeps them desk-bound and stressed-out all week and often way over 8 hours a day. Many men have to be “on call” or work mandatory overtime (and in salaried jobs, that overtime doesn’t necessarily get them any more pay). Many men are working several jobs to be able to make ends meet in this economy that is not family-friendly (so much of the money earned goes to taxes, which never seem to benefit those working).
So when the weekend comes along, they find it difficult to just “sit” in church, and I think that many men are embarrassed to drift off to sleep or yawn all the way through Mass–so they just stay home to rest. For a lot of men, the time while their wives and children are at church is precious “down time” for them–they can finally have a little peace and quiet for just an hour without having to deal with the little ones or be “sensitive” to their wife’s’ needs.
  1. Purity. Half the married men in the U.S. are divorced. That means that unless they have gone through the annulment process, they are not able to receive Holy Communion, which makes them feel self-conscious in front of others at church. And frankly, I think a lot of men who are divorced are a little mad at the Church (and at the world in general) and probably pretty depressed, too. And many of these men are dating someone, and they know that this is “wrong,” but they are lonely.

    Also, the vast majority of men in the U.S. use some form of porn (some struggle to stop, and others have just given up and use porn habitually), and they masturbate regularly. This is a mortal sin, and therefore, those who have committed it are not supposed to receive Holy Communion. But many men are embarrassed to go to Reconciliation week after week to confess the same sin. And I think that many Catholic men wonder if it really, truly IS a sin, because most Protestants don’t consider it a sin at all.
So it’s no wonder men don’t go to Mass–they can’t “legally” participate in Holy Communion, and they don’t see the use of going to just sit there and look like a “sinner” in front of others.

Again, I hope this is helpful. And once again, I don’t think the music, preaching, decor, or any of the deficiencies in the Mass has anything to do with lack of attendance. Men who are exhausted, or who are caught up in divorce, or in an impure sexual sin, will probably be even more likely to avoid a “perfect” Mass!
Completely disagree. First, men today work less strenuous jobs than men of 50 or 100 years ago. Trust me, if it is important, men will find the energy. Those same men that are too tired to make it to church, are still able to make it to the football game on the weekend.

And men don’t fix themselves BEFORE coming to church. The church is the hospital for sinners, and they need to come to church to learn how to get healed. They obviously can’t do that on their own, since being on their own is how they got in the state they are in. A man in a downward spiral of sin will respond better to a respected masculine man encouraging him to live up to his better nature, and to come to church.
 
I am glad a man recognizes this. My husband does not attend Mass, and the more I nagged him, the more resistant he became. So now I don’t say a word and he still does not go. I refuse to take any of the blame for that. He’s a big boy. It is not my job to drag his behind out of bed to go to Mass. And, what I have observed over the years is that it’s always been the case that more women than men attend Mass. In reality, it’s usually the woman who passes down the faith more often than the men.

You know, there is the aspect of sheer laziness to consider, and I suspect this plays a bigger reason than people are willing to admit. In fact, I haven’t seen it mentioned, yet I know many men who just don’t want to take the time to go.
Take a look at my post on page 3, and consider giving it a chance. Men sometimes respond to their wives asking them to be the “man of the house”, and to be the father and husband they were called to be.
 
Take a look at my post on page 3, and consider giving it a chance. Men sometimes respond to their wives asking them to be the “man of the house”, and to be the father and husband they were called to be.
Listen, I’ve been married for 44 years to this man. Don’t think I have not considered everything and tried everything, not just nagging. All the “let’s talk about this” “you are supposed to be the spiritual leader of the house, etc.” This is the way it is. I pray for him, he’s in God’s hands. I refuse to take any responsibility for him not going to church. He just does not want to. He is too lazy to go. I know a lot of men like this.

But in all other respects he is a kind, wonderful husband, father, and grandfather, and we have had 44 great years together and I wouldn’t trade him for anything.
 
How do you get men back to Mass? Whether you are the priest or the wife or the child or the friend, there is only one way to get men back to Mass. On your knees. Pray. It doesn’t matter what you do to make it “more appealing”. The Holy Spirit is the one who gets men (or anyone) back to Mass. Once a man (or anyone) has a life-changing radical encounter with Jesus Christ, he (or she) won’t be able to stay away from Mass.

What should not be done is the Mass shouldn’t be made to “look like” Prot. mega-churches. There it is a “feel good” gospel of more, more, more, and coffee, power point and programs. And when they discover somewhere with better coffee, power point and programs, they will leave and change churches.

As St. Augustine said, “Our hearts are restless until they rest in God.” Only through prayer will our men be drawn to the place of rest. That place is not in any Prot. denomination, either. We only truly find our rest in God through His Sacraments.

Today, more than anything, men don’t need another “obligation” put upon them. As one poster said, with today’s economy, most are so over-stressed and over-worked that if you tell them they have an “obligation” to be the priest of their family (even though they do) they won’t even hear you. They just hear they aren’t doing “good enough” for their families, even though they are working themselves into an early grave.

Men today need that place of rest. It will take the gentle drawing of the Holy Spirit moving in their hearts to get them back to Mass.

Perhaps that is what the rest of us, us wives and priests and involved Godly men need to do more of. Perhaps we just need to humbly ask God to draw our men into His place of rest.
Kris
 
How do you get men back to Mass? Whether you are the priest or the wife or the child or the friend, there is only one way to get men back to Mass. On your knees. Pray. It doesn’t matter what you do to make it “more appealing”. The Holy Spirit is the one who gets men (or anyone) back to Mass. Once a man (or anyone) has a life-changing radical encounter with Jesus Christ, he (or she) won’t be able to stay away from Mass.

What should not be done is the Mass shouldn’t be made to “look like” Prot. mega-churches. There it is a “feel good” gospel of more, more, more, and coffee, power point and programs. And when they discover somewhere with better coffee, power point and programs, they will leave and change churches.

As St. Augustine said, “Our hearts are restless until they rest in God.” Only through prayer will our men be drawn to the place of rest. That place is not in any Prot. denomination, either. We only truly find our rest in God through His Sacraments.

Today, more than anything, men don’t need another “obligation” put upon them. As one poster said, with today’s economy, most are so over-stressed and over-worked that if you tell them they have an “obligation” to be the priest of their family (even though they do) they won’t even hear you. They just hear they aren’t doing “good enough” for their families, even though they are working themselves into an early grave.

Men today need that place of rest. It will take the gentle drawing of the Holy Spirit moving in their hearts to get them back to Mass.

Perhaps that is what the rest of us, us wives and priests and involved Godly men need to do more of. Perhaps we just need to humbly ask God to draw our men into His place of rest.
Kris
Now this is a post with a lot of wisdom. ITA
 
Completely disagree. First, men today work less strenuous jobs than men of 50 or 100 years ago. Trust me, if it is important, men will find the energy. Those same men that are too tired to make it to church, are still able to make it to the football game on the weekend.

And men don’t fix themselves BEFORE coming to church. The church is the hospital for sinners, and they need to come to church to learn how to get healed. They obviously can’t do that on their own, since being on their own is how they got in the state they are in. A man in a downward spiral of sin will respond better to a respected masculine man encouraging him to live up to his better nature, and to come to church.
The jobs are less-strenuous physically, but much more demanding and stressful mentally. And nowadays, there are hundreds more men and women waiting to take your place if you make a mistake on the job or if you can’t deliver the product.

It’s not always a physical tiredness that keeps men home from church and other “demanding” obligations (e.g., a family dinner). It’s a mental, emotional exhaustion, a weariness that leaves them completely drained and unable to cope with any small demand after dealing with supervisors and sales reps and customers all week long. A football game makes no demands–it’s a chance to rest and pretend for just a few hours that you are a boy again free of all cares.

And I agree, the Church is a hospital for sinners. But men avoid hospitals! There are all kinds of studies proving that many men haven’t been to a doctor for decades. Many men die of diseases that were never diagnosed until they died. A lot of men want to “heal themselves,” and don’t want to admit that they can’t do it.

Perhaps if the Church presented itself as more of a “health club” or “gym” instead of a “hospital,” more men would be willing to walk through the door.
 
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