Getting Rid of Homosexual Clergy

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So assuming that Fr. Mychal Judge was actually gay, as has been alleged, do you think he was or was not a good priest?
 
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This thread has little chance of anything productive coming from it, so Iā€™ll add this nugget and drop out.

One of the things that has helped me to make the clear distinction between having SSA and engaging in behavior has been following a conservative Lutheran pastor in Minneapolis who struggles with this (has never acted on it and heā€™s 65 now).

Heā€™s an outspoken opponent of homosexual acts. Heā€™s even attended our Catholic Courage apostolate and our local gay magazine shamefully infiltrated it to out him:

www.twincities.com

Controversial Minneapolis pastor: Iā€™m attracted to men, but Iā€™m not gay

A Lutheran pastor in Minneapolis who opposes homosexuals being allowed to lead congregations said Monday he is attracted to men, but that heā€™s not a hypocrite because he never acted on his urā€¦
www.twincities.com www.twincities.com

If anyoneā€™s interested, his webpage is http://www.pastorsstudy.org
 
Mr_Freeze said:
Did the church actually allow pedos to become priests, or did they just turn a blind eye after the fact?
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Many child molesters arenā€™t actually pedophiles. Theyā€™re opportunists who prey on the weak, kinda like straight prisoners who assault fellow inmates of the same sex.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
they do are NOT familiar with the typical LGBT person ā€” they have no close gay family members or friends
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Oh they do! But their attitudes have signaled that it is not safe to be open around them, so the friends and family members just hide it. It is a matter if survival. There is no need to engender hostility from others when it can be avoided!

All of our priests need to be supported in their vows. We need to pray for them, and fellowship with them, so they will be able to fulfill their calling.
 
Correct. The difference is not ā€œfunctionalā€. It is intrinsic. Ordered differently than Godā€™s intent.

We are not supposed to be sexually attracted to, well, a whole lot of things or peopleā€¦
 
Candidates for the seminary are ask to share openly there past sins and maybe temptations. They are told if it is found out that they were not completely open and honest, they will be asked to leave the seminary. This interview is not done as a confession.
If the interviewer is a priest, the candidate is told he cannot go to confession to that priest. Because the interviewer will have to share the information with others. There is also a battery of physiological test.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
So assuming that Fr. Mychal Judge was actually gay, as has been alleged, do you think he was or was not a good priest?
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Sorry, but I am familiar neither with the name nor with the details of his case. I have not kept myself very well informed about such things, I am afraid.
 
Youā€™re right, but my point is that when they go to get whatever job they want to get - whether their ultimate goal in becoming a priest is to put themselves in a celibate environment in hopes they wonā€™t act on their feelings, or to get access to children or whatever - they arenā€™t going to tell anybody they have these feelings. They will keep them hidden. Perhaps some of them succeed in keeping these feelings hidden or at bay their whole lives and never harm a child. Others will cross the line given an opportunity.
 
Also, why does it seem like several gay-related threads start, and then then OP leaves? Iā€™m giving the benefit of the doubt to the OP, but often these threads are very controversial from the get-go.

People may be interested in another thread I started, with a more positive twist, concerning fostering vocations for LGBT people WITHIN the Catholic Church:
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What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church? Moral Theology
Title says it all. With some negative comments in some related threads, I thought Iā€™d start a more positive one. Beyond refraining from extra-marital sex and same-sex sexual relationships, how do you currently perceive the vocation for single gay people? How do you think the church can better welcome LGBT persons or foster a place for them in the life of the church? Answering this question requires an honest and sensitive attempt to understand the struggles, challenges, and experiences of LGBā€¦
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Mr_Freeze said:
Correct. The difference is not ā€œfunctionalā€. It is intrinsic. Ordered differently than Godā€™s intent.

We are not supposed to be sexually attracted to, well, a whole lot of things or peopleā€¦
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Gay people donā€™t choose to be gay any more than straight people choose to be straight. Why are you acting like having a particular orientation is a sin?
 
I think itā€™s possible that one day he may be a saint. It wonā€™t be in my lifetime most likely.
I have a medal of him anyway. I am not gay and never was, I just think he sounds pretty heroic, especially the fact that he remained celibate his whole life (I feel that heterosexual priests who do that are also admirable).

en.wikipedia.org

Mychal Judge - Wikipedia

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Tis_Bearself said:
I think itā€™s possible that one day he may be a saint. It wonā€™t be in my lifetime most likely.
I have a medal of him anyway. I am not gay and never was, I just think he sounds pretty heroic, especially the fact that he remained celibate his whole life (I feel that heterosexual priests who do that are also admirable).

Mychal Judge - Wikipedia
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Thank you for this! I am rather busy at the moment, but will read this when I get a chance.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Unless Iā€™m responding to some poster who refers to themself as having ā€œSSAā€, Iā€™m just gonna say 'gay" and have done with it.
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It qualifies that there is a difference between
  1. Identifying oneself by ones sexual attraction/orientation, as opposed to identifying oneself as a child of God who may struggle with certain temptations
  2. It distinguishes the person who may be experiencing some temporary phenomena from one who has committed themselves to being identified by it
  3. Having what may be a grave disorder of sexual attraction/orientation as opposed to approving or engaging in mortally sinful behavior
Attractions/emotions wax and wan and may not persist. A person who has decided to identify themselves by it, rather than by what God has called them to be, is missing the mark.
 
Not in some cases, sureā€¦ but they do 100% choose to:
- Act on it
- Live that way
- Let that ā€œdefineā€ them

Get back to my previous question for a moment.
Can we (do you) agree that at some point, a personā€™s sexual attraction is inherently dis-ordered, wrong, or perverted?
 
Thatā€™s an impossible standard. There will always be doubt. You can never guarantee 100% that someone wonā€™t slip up (in fact, over multiple decades, odds are we all will in one way or another) whether itā€™s in a sexual or non-sexual context.
 
Mr_Freeze said:
Not in some cases, sureā€¦ but they do 100% choose to:
  • Act on it
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Unless they arenā€™t! Have you forgotten that weā€™re talking about men who are presumably living a celibate lifestyle?
 
I meant the choices to be taken individually, not collectivelyā€¦
 
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