Ghost-Hunting: Is it immoral?

[K_C]

Asside from being one of the most uninformed, ridiculous and anti-Catholic opinions I have ever seen, it is off topic. It is against forum rules to hijack a thread. This thread is about ghosts and ghost hunting. Not about firearms. If you want to post your anti-Catholic opinions about firearms, start a new thread.

ANTI-CATHOLIC??? HUH??? Just what is “anti-Catholic” about being worried for a man who seems preocuppied with his guns? As for being off-topic, you are correct and I even stated that in my post. However, sometimes it is worth being tangental for awhile if it is out of concern for the well-being of another poster…which is exactly why I responded to him as I did.

Please do explain to us all how you determined that I am “anti-Catholic” because I was concerned for Sir Knight? In case you haven’t yet learned how to use these forums, all you have to do is look at the bar above my posts to see that I am a Catholic (and have been an ardent one nearly all my life!)

It might just be interesting, however, to start another thread on this topic. I would like to see just how many Catholics actually think that the Church is in the business of promoting firearms. You certainly seem to be another one of them!

 

[K_C]

I have not read all the posts. I did see a tangental discussion of guns. I would like to address ghosthunting.

Before I state my opinion, I would like to make a few related points:

1. When we die, we immediately stand in judgement before the Lord. Our fate will be one of three places, namely, heaven, hell, or purgatory. We don’t get to choose to stay around this old house.
2. The Church forbids, as grave matter, the effort to commune with the dead in seances, through media, or the like.
3. Jesus said he saw Satan fall from heaven to earth as lightning. With him 1/3 of the angels fell and became demons who prowl the earth seeking the ruin of souls.
4. Demons and Satan are far more intelligent than us. It is quite possible that the hauntings people see are demonic in origin. It could be that demons are taking on the appearance of human spirits to deceive us into focusing on the paranormal instead of on the Word of God.
5. Those who seek out the paranormal are opening themselves up to demonic forces. One can become opressed or even possessed by these demons. I would encourage you to read “An Exorcist’s Story” which is written by a Roman Catholic Priest who has performed exorcisms. In that book, he talks of how people invite demons into the temple of their soul by involving themselves in the paranormal.
6. Demons are real and are more powerful than us but not as powerful as the Holy Spirit. Having said that, the Holy Spirit is not to be used by us. To go to a haunted house while armed with sacramentals like holy water and scapulars is a misuse of God’s gifts. God gives us these sacramentals to protect us. He gives his holy angels to watch over us. He does not give us these gifts so that we can chase ghosts for our own curiosity.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM ALL PARANORMAL PHENOMENUM and I think it is a sin to chase ghosts.

As for your first statement, some prominent Catholics would disagree with you . Peter Kreeft, for one, even classifies ghosts into three categories. The common opinion seems to be that God does allow us to sometimes see the souls of those who are IN PURGATORY for reasons we cannot always fathom. However, it is also true that demons can deceive us with such apparitions/occurrences.

As for the rest of what you listed above - a big AMEN to all of it!

 

[rpp]

ANTI-CATHOLIC??? HUH??? Just what is “anti-Catholic” about being worried for a man who seems preocuppied with his guns? As for being off-topic, you are correct and I even stated that in my post. However, sometimes it is worth being tangental for awhile if it is out of concern for the well-being of another poster…which is exactly why I responded to him as I did.

Please do explain to us all how you determined that I am “anti-Catholic” because I was concerned for Sir Knight? In case you haven’t yet learned how to use these forums, all you have to do is look at the bar above my posts to see that I am a Catholic (and have been an ardent one nearly all my life!)

It might just be interesting, however, to start another thread on this topic. I would like to see just how many Catholics actually think that the Church is in the business of promoting firearms. You certainly seem to be another one of them!

Catholics have a “grave duty” to defend themselves and others they are responsible for. You are denying this and that makes your position anti-Catholic.

You continue to make off-topic posts and have hijacked this thread. It is against forum rules to hijack a thread. I am reporting your posts to the moderators.

 

[K_C]

Catholics have a “grave duty” to defend themselves and others they are responsible for. You are denying this and that makes your position anti-Catholic.

You continue to make off-topic posts and have hijacked this thread. It is against forum rules to hijack a thread. I am reporting your posts to the moderators.

Please read the QUOTATIONS from the CCC which I posted above. The “grave duty” applies to the defense of OTHERS.

In addition, I did not “hijack” this thread, as I have also been posting information about ghost-hunting/ghost encounters. I only deviated to a side-track momentarily because “Sir Knight” posted PHOTOS OF HIS GUN COLLECTION. Now, if anyone is guilty of side-tracking the thread, don’t you think that promoting the use of guns qualifies? As I already stated, I was debating this point with SK only because I was concerned about his apparent fixation on guns.

I admitted in my post that this was really a separate issue which should be another thread. However, as a Catholic who feels some responsibility for the welfare of my fellow Catholics, I do not regret trying to make SK aware that he may be fixated on his weapons. The fact that he posted the photo to this thread, I think, demonstrates this.

So…if you want to “report” me, go ahead. But that will not force me into silence if I perceive that another Catholic may have an unhealthy fixation - especially if he posts photos of weapons on the thread I’ve joined.

 

[K_C]

So…if you want to “report” me, go ahead. But that will not force me into silence if I perceive that another Catholic may have an unhealthy fixation - especially if he posts photos of weapons on the thread I’ve joined.

P.S. I suggest that any moderator you draw to review this thread take note that my “reporter” describes himself as residing in the “people’s republic of Oregon”!??? Apparently, that territory needs a large store of guns to defend it!

 

[Sir_Knight]

I did not “hijack” this thread, as I have also been posting information about ghost-hunting/ghost encounters.

You DID hijack this thread here when you incorrectly stated that one can not kill someone in self defense which goes against official church teaching which tells us that we do not sin even if we take someone’s life while defending ourselves. Prior to that, nobody was talking about “killing” but being able to properly protect oneself when going to a place with questionable activities (“hauntings”).

I only deviated to a side-track momentarily

So you ADMIT to side-tracking this thread.

because “Sir Knight” posted PHOTOS OF HIS GUN COLLECTION.

I did not post photos of my gun collections. I posted a photo of a few of my guns which pertained to the conversation that we were having. If I posted photos of my gun collection, then THAT would have been inappropriate.

Now, if anyone is guilty of side-tracking the thread, don’t you think that promoting the use of guns qualifies?

Going to a place with questionable activities (“hauntings”) without proper protection would not be a wise thing to do. Thus, suggesting that someone bring proper protection along was a prudent thing to do and related to the topic at hand.

As I already stated, I was debating this point with SK only because I was concerned about his apparent fixation on guns.

If you wanted to debate it only with me, you should have made your comments via PM instead of on the open board. By making your comments publicly, you’ve opened it up to public discussion.

I admitted in my post that this was really a separate issue which should be another thread. However, as a Catholic who feels some responsibility for the welfare of my fellow Catholics, I do not regret trying to make SK aware that he may be fixated on his weapons. The fact that he posted the photo to this thread, I think, demonstrates this…

Gabriel Possenti was a Catholic seminarian who had an obvious fixation on guns. When a band of twenty terrorists began to burn and pillage the town, terrorizing its inhabitants and the seminary itself, Possenti (due to his marksmanship and proficiency with handguns) single-handedly saved the village and the seminary. Sixty years later, in 1920, the Catholic Church officially declared him to be a saint.

The seminary had no problem with this future priest’s “fixation on guns” and neither did the Catholic Church in declaring him a saint. The fact that you do have issues with people’s interest in firearms, places YOU in disagreement with the Church with regard to this matter.

 

[rpp]

Please read the QUOTATIONS from the CCC which I posted above. The “grave duty” applies to the defense of OTHERS.
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One thing about Catholic theology, it makes logical sense. It is not logical that we have a grave duty to defend others but not ourselves.

Now stop the personal attacks on Sir Knight and post on topic. If you are unable to post on topic, all you confirm is your ability to behave in a civil matter. This topic is not about guns or the grave duty of self defense. Nor is it about your inability to follow forum rules. Blaming others for provoking you does not excuse bad behavior on your part. Of course the fact that you are wrong about essential Catholic truths does not really enter into it.

There is no need to respond to this post, simply start complying with forum rules.

I would also ask that Sir Knight to remain on topic as well and not rise to this bait.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Now stop the personal attacks on Sir Knight and post on topic.

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I would also ask that Sir Knight to remain on topic as well and not rise to this bait.

Thank you for your support and your level-headed advise.

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

Wow, Sir Knight. Who are you trying to impress? Every Sir Kight I know would be offended by your presentation. Did you not hear that “Trusting in Jesus”, is all you need?
Even Peter was asked to put down his sword when they came for Jesus in the garden.
You won’t be able to take your gun with you to hell (it will melt) and you sure won’t need it in heaven.

Pablo

I agree in trusting in Our Lord Jesus. However every time I was in a combat zone I prayed to the Lord and the Lord told me to keep my M16 clean, plus locked and loaded.

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

BOTTOM LINE The reason why I engaged you at such length in this discussion is this: I have never before seen any CA member post - repeatedly - an array of guns on a thread. The “spook kit” is somewhat amusing. However, your subsequent post of several types of guns is no laughing matter. It seems that as a Knight of Columbus and using “Sir Knight” as your moniker, you may be a bit obsessed with the idea of chivalry. That is not a bad thing - something we ladies always approve in men. However, when chivalrous thoughts extend to modernizing “swords” into a collection of guns, there is real concern about the eventual use of these weapons.

Maybe you should check out my Photo album?
forums.catholic-questions.org/album.php?u=25254

I guess in your eyes I’m a bad Catholic because I do carry a loaded gun to Mass; have been for years.

 

[celticcrusader]

I agree in trusting in Our Lord Jesus. However every time I was in a combat zone I prayed to the Lord and the Lord told me to keep my M16 clean, plus locked and loaded.

you are correct . what is a gun without ammo in it?? A CLUB!!! Something I thought of is THE SWISS GUARD now carry guns to protect the HOLY FATHER. Should they not in these troubled times?

 

[rpp]

P.S. I suggest that any moderator you draw to review this thread take note that my “reporter” describes himself as residing in the “people’s republic of Oregon”!??? Apparently, that territory needs a large store of guns to defend it!

Perhaps you should read your signature line.

Now, back to the topic; ghosts and the morality of ghost hunting.

 

[Gerard_Nadal]

:banghead:Why do you seek the dead among the living?:banghead::banghead:

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

:banghead:Why do you seek the dead among the living?:banghead::banghead:

Cuz it’s exciting and you get to learn more about the afterlife.

 

[Sir_Knight]

:banghead:Why do you seek the dead among the living?:banghead::banghead:

Why do the dead hang out among the living?

 

[Gerard_Nadal]

Why do the dead hang out among the living?

**Sir Knight,

Vivat Jesu! I take my Fourth Degree in two months.

So much for my twist on the angel at Jesus’ tomb. I don’t think souls wander the earth, unless this is part of purgation. The alternative destinations don’t square with souls appearing in and out of the luminiferous ether.

God Bless**

 

[Hater_free]

DO NOT GO! WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU GET BURNED. I SLEPT IN MY DAUGHTER’S HOUSE THAT WAS WHERE A MURDER HAD HAPPENED, WHEN I WAS BABYSITTING MY GRANDDAUGHTER. I LEFT A BOTTLE OF HOLY WATER ON THE DRESSER, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT I AWOKE TO SEE THE DRESSER DRAWER OPENING BY ITSELF. I WAS WIDE AWAKE AND WHEN I LOOKED IN THE DRESSER DRAWER IT WAS FILLED WITH ADULT FILM TAPES(NO, I DID NOT WATCH THEM) BUT EVIL FLEES FROM HOLY WATER AND IF YOU ARE CURIOUS YOU ARE INVITING THE DEMONS PRESENCE, AND THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU UNTIL YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH OTHER OCCULT ACTIVITIES. I ALSO WAS ANGRY AT OUR LORD, AND HAD TO GET MY HOUSE BLESSED, BUT AFTER I SOLD THE HOUSE TO MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS NO LONGER A PRACTICING CATHOLIC, IT TOOK HANGING A CRUCIFIX IN THE CENTER OF MY GRANDDAUGHTERS ROOM, WHICH WAS MY OLD ROOM, TO GET HER TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. DO NOT DO IT!

EXACTLY!!! Like stated…when you play with fire your bound to get burned.It’s your choice what you choose to do but I recommend not to do it because you are delving into very dangerous territory and you will most likely easily get yourself into some trouble that will be alot harder to get out of. You’ll be inviting it in by feeding into bad curiosity and like stated throughout this topic Satan thrives off of that curiosity. Hence the old saying curiosity killed the cat. Word to the wise just avoid it at all cost.Do the right thing and keep God first and keep curiosity in Him. God bless!!!

“A final word:Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil.For we* are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies,but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world,against mighty powers in this dark world,and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” {Ephesians 6:10-12}

 

[Sir_Knight]

**Sir Knight,

Vivat Jesu! I take my Fourth Degree in two months.

So much for my twist on the angel at Jesus’ tomb. I don’t think souls wander the earth, unless this is part of purgation. The alternative destinations don’t square with souls appearing in and out of the luminiferous ether.

God Bless**

Early congratulations on your upcoming 4th degree – it is something to really look forward to.

With regards to ghosts … if they don’t exist, why did Jesus assure His Apostles a number of times that He wasn’t one? When He he was walking toward on when He was walking on water, when He appeared to them after He rose from the dead, etc. There would be no need to assure someone that you are something that doesn’t exist in the first place.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Hence the old saying curiosity killed the cat.

Hence, the second half of that old saying “… but satisfaction brought him back.”

 

[KathleenElsie]

Catholics have a “grave duty” to defend themselves and others they are responsible for. You are denying this and that makes your position anti-Catholic.

You continue to make off-topic posts and have hijacked this thread. It is against forum rules to hijack a thread. I am reporting your posts to the moderators.

Amen.