Gillette ad furor

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Annie said:
How would you feel about an ad that showed young black men committing crimes, and then young black men stopping them from committing crimes?
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More realistically, it should represent a “justice” system that disproportionately incarcerates African-Americans while more white people get off the hook. But that’s another thread, another topic.
Annie said:
The reason that some people are upset with the ad is that it casts most men as bad guys, and a few “woke” guys as decent human beings.
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I see it differently. The commercial emphasizes how in a crowd and when group-think takes over, it can be hard to be the loner who stands up for what is right. Courageous bystanders have the power to stop a lot of harassment and violence.

I’m glad that Gillette launched this important conversation.
 
Perhaps they didn’t see the Gillette video yet. I’m sure their behavior will instantly change when they do.

Seriously, no one said the behavior doesn’t ever occur. The point is that Gillette’s heavy handed approach is offensive to many men who don’t engage in such behavior.
 
And that’s where the ad started grouping healthy and unhealthy behaviors as toxic. Not to mention their ridiculous endless row of men barbecuing, suggesting “all men.”

Once again, women have no right to trivialize the offensiveness of this ad to many men.
 
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Again who in this thread is making these claims about men?

I certainly have not.
 
And all roughhouse is bullying? Or all roughhouse leads to bullying? The video implies that the barbecue men should have intervened as soon as the boys started roughhousing.
 
I’ve spent many thousands of hours working with boys. And I’ve seen them roughhousing many times. Roughhousing is usually done between friends–often “best friends.”
 
prayerrider said:
I’ve spent many thousands of hours working with boys. And I’ve seen them roughhousing many times. Roughhousing is usually done between friends–often “best friends.”
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Yes it is easy to understand the difference between roughhousing and bullying among people that you know.
My question was how to tel the difference in a video clip.
 
It’s really not that hard. I see it pretty much on a weekly basis. Sometimes from much farther away than the viewer distance in the video.
 
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I’ll stop here for now.
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No one has questioned rough housing.
You mentioned that a typical characteristic of roughhousing is that if it done between friends. I don’t think that that relationship is discernible in the video. The ad is, not about roughhousing it is about bullying.
 
dvdjs said:
Not the point. The ad discussed both behaviors.
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It lumped them together under “boys will be boys”

rough housing within boundaries is actually developmentally very helpful, completely unrelated to groping and objectifying women.
 
Theo520 said:
It lumped them together under “boys will be boys”
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The behaviors are cat-calling/groping and bullying.
These are not dismissable as developmentally sound.
And while some think roughhousing is, the evidence has less going for it than anthropgenic climate change.
 
dvdjs said:
The behaviors are cat-calling/groping and bullying.
These are not dismissable as developmentally sound.
And while some think roughhousing is, the evidence has less going for it than anthropgenic climate change.
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bullying is very different from roughhouse play. I’ll repost the link you missed.

psychcentral.com

Can Roughhousing be Good for Your Kids?

While roughhousing can look dangerous, it may have some positive benefits. Here's a look at what those are.
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and another

 
Theo520 said:
bullying is very different from roughhouse play.
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Links like these have been posted above.
I appreciate that someone has published an article about their thinking on the matter.
I am not entirely persuaded, and wonder why you are not more skeptical of such claims with so little rigorous study to back them up.
 
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where is your link showing how evil roughhousing is on the psyche? You’ve expressed no counter argument.
 
Because there isn’t one.
Its becoming clear how some see all overtly masculine behaviour as “toxic,” regardless of reality.
 
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