Gingrich: GOP ‘Incapable Of Competing’ Against Hillary Clinton In 2016

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SamH said:
It’s amazing what a full court press by all media outlets can do to a person.

What I found amazing is how she is perceived as some right wing Tea Party type when she was anything but.
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Yep the media makes sheep out of the people.
 
_Abyssinia said:
She lost the nomination in 2008 because people presumed it was hers for the taking, as a lot of democrats are doing now

If Obama leaves an awful economy in 2016, after 8 years of democrat presidency it is going to be a difficult job for any democrat to argue that people should want more of the same of the policies which have not worked, which they want to continue

It is difficult for a party to win consecutive elections 3 times. It happened in 1988 but otherwise it has not happened since the days of Harry Trueman.

Those who are saying the Tea Party is over, republicans have no chance in 2016, consider that after Lyndon Johnson won reelection in 1964 it was presumed the republican party was over and then Richard Nixon won in the next election. It was unthinkable in 1964 that republicans could win again

Hillary Clinton is a washington insider who has got a lot of baggage that will be drawn out by republicans

I refuse to believe the liberal hype that Hillary Clinton is a shoe in when you consider that she will be she will be 69 in 2016. Ron Paul and John McCain presidential chances were criticized because of their age. She is the most unpopular first lady and is only first lady viewed less favourably than the president. She was the architect of health insurance overhaul which ended in failiure. After Bill Clinton’s affair she said the allegations were trying to ‘undo the results of 2 elections’ and a 'vast right wing conspiracy. Hillary Clinton’s popularity in the polls was far lower when she ran in 2008 than it is now because now she is removed from the presidency
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All water under the bridge. And she’ll be no older than Reagan was when he first ran.
 
mary_bobo said:
I think the biggest contributor to an Obama victory was the MSM. They, backing up the Dems, defined Romney before he had a chance to define himself. Although his campaign was able to raise lots of money, I don’t think they ran a good campaign. They let too many things that were said about them go unanswered. Most people get their information from the MSM and herein lies a big problem.
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Many of those things were being said while Romney was kissing a lot of well-heeled boots in his quest for funding after the wounding GOP primary process.
 
ringil said:
What about the old saying.

"When the going gets tough. . . The tough. . . "

Well, I guess she did “get going”. 😃
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It was the right move for Alaska, if only Obama would do the same for the US.
 
ringil said:
What about the old saying.

"When the going gets tough. . . The tough. . . "

Well, I guess she did “get going”. 😃
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I’d like to see how tough you would be ringil if you had the media hounding you and your family as well as dealing with being constantly sued under fraudulent charges. She had to quit otherwise she would have gone bankrupt from all the frivolous lawsuits she had to deal with. Attorney’s ain’t cheap.

What’s the saying about making not judgments until walking a mile in their shoes?
 
austenbosten said:
I’d like to see how tough you would be ringil if you had the media hounding you and your family as well as dealing with being constantly sued under fraudulent charges. She had to quit otherwise she would have gone bankrupt from all the frivolous lawsuits she had to deal with. Attorney’s ain’t cheap.

What’s the saying about making not judgments until walking a mile in their shoes?
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I’m not a politician because I probably couldn’t take the pressure so wouldn’t take that on myself.

For those who choose that path; they should be prepared for it. It often gets messy in politics.

Plue, I don’t believe it’s established that these suits were fraudulent.
 
austenbosten said:
Yeah even though Palin got more in 2008 with McCain than Ryan did with Romney :rolleyes:
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If you’re talking about total vote count, you may want to recheck that. Who knows, they’re probably still counting the 2012 votes.
 
mary_bobo said:
I think the biggest contributor to an Obama victory was the MSM. They, backing up the Dems, defined Romney before he had a chance to define himself. Although his campaign was able to raise lots of money, I don’t think they ran a good campaign. They let too many things that were said about them go unanswered. Most people get their information from the MSM and herein lies a big problem.
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It is true that MSM was a big contributor but consider that not even the MSM could spin Obama’s bad 1st debate performance and how Romney was climbing in popularity with the people after that. I forgot to mention the other fault of Romney’s campaign. The 3rd debate where he didn’t go after Obama about what the Heck went on in Libya. It would have made the media report on it which they were loathe to do as they knew it would make the President bad and then it would made the events of Hurricane Sandy not help the President as much. I could be wrong on that but we will never know.
 
I do not think so and Karl Rove has run 2 successful campaigns and I think his advice for 2016 is good advice
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Most of the posters here could save a lot more pre-birth lives with $300+ million than Karl Rove did. Plain and simple, he squandered the money and it’s apparent he wants to squander more.
 
austenbosten said:
I’d like to see how tough you would be ringil if you had the media hounding you and your family as well as dealing with being constantly sued under fraudulent charges. She had to quit otherwise she would have gone bankrupt from all the frivolous lawsuits she had to deal with. Attorney’s ain’t cheap.

What’s the saying about making not judgments until walking a mile in their shoes?
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Does not apply to conservatives.

Also, one cannot be deemed racist or sexist when slamming black or female conservatives. No problem if you paint black conservatives with the racist stereotype of black men as sexual predators, but you might be racist if you’re opposed to President Obama’s budget, or use the words “apartment”, “Chicago”, or “boys” (when referring to your own sons).

Beautiful double standard, isn’t it?
 
ProVobis said:
Most of the posters here could save a lot more pre-birth lives with $300+ million than Karl Rove did. Plain and simple, he squandered the money and it’s apparent he wants to squander more.
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If Romney had become president many babies would of been saved who will now not be because of the policies that Obama supports

How many babies could Obama save as president by passing abortion restriction life laws instead of giving billions over the course of his presidency to Planned Parenthood and the UN population fund?
 
scipio337 said:
Does not apply to conservatives.

Also, one cannot be deemed racist or sexist when slamming black or female conservatives. No problem if you paint black conservatives with the racist stereotype of black men as sexual predators, but you might be racist if you’re opposed to President Obama’s budget, or use the words “apartment”, “Chicago”, or “boys” (when referring to your own sons).

Beautiful double standard, isn’t it?
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Sort of like the recent “Lie of the Year” just announced in MSM. When Romney announced that Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China” Politicfiction is claiming it it was all a lie.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-earns-politifact-lie-jeeps-made-china-143057560–election.html

Upon further examination the only part that isn’t true is the claim Obama “sold” Chrysler to the Italians, he actually GAVE Fiat a lot of the stock and sold them the rest at a huge discount funded by taxpayers.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203513604577141651251660594.html

And Chrysler is opening plants in China:
In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep’s president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. “Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region,” reported the business wire service.
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Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio” to China.
washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703
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LisaA said:
Total canard Scott. The RNC pulled the lever in all those states? Sorry but you and anyone else who claims someone like me is a stupid sheep choosing my candidate because of the RNC are being unbelievably arrogant and insulting. Romney won the nomination because he got more votes than the other candidates. He was not chosen by the RNC, he was chosen by the voters.

Lisa
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I called noone “sheep”. However, you seem blissfully unaware of how the RNC manipulates the primary process, bends the rules, and filters money to ensure that one candidates gets better coverage than another.

Rence Prebius stated ahead of the primaries that he wanted Romney. Romney won. INsiders at the GOP flatly accused Prebius of breaking the “impartiality” rule of the Chair to selectively promote Romney. THAT is why I am no longer a member of the GOP. It is just as corrupt as the Democrats. I say to the pit with both parties. They will never again get a nickle of my money nor my votes.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I called noone “sheep”. However, you seem blissfully unaware of how the RNC manipulates the primary process, bends the rules, and filters money to ensure that one candidates gets better coverage than another.

Rence Prebius stated ahead of the primaries that he wanted Romney. Romney won. INsiders at the GOP flatly accused Prebius of breaking the “impartiality” rule of the Chair to selectively promote Romney. THAT is why I am no longer a member of the GOP. It is just as corrupt as the Democrats. I say to the pit with both parties. They will never again get a nickle of my money nor my votes.
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Scott, no you and many claim that Romney was chosen by “establishment Republicans” as if we the voters are a bunch of stupid sheep and as if anyone bases their vote on what the RNC says or does. You really think this Scott? Are you kidding? I know you don’t mean any malice but for someone like me who voted for Romney, who supported him from day one, who did and still thinks he was by far the best candidate and would have been the best president, your words are frankly insulting.

And quite honestly all along I’d read blog posts about how “the establishment” chose Romney from sources as varied as “The Hill” and “Townhall” and “Politico.,”

I think Romney is an incredibly moral, intelligent and capable man. I made that determination on my own without help from Reince or Michael Steele or Karl Rove. I am a very intelligent, well informed voter Scott. Please rethink your assumptions.

Further there were many Republican leaders who were 100% behind Santorum or Gingrich. I would never presume that their votes resulted from the stupidity of voters who listen to Mark Levin or Mark Davis. I give the rest of you credit for making up your own minds. Please offer me and the MILLIONS of people who voted for Romney the same credit.

Lisa

PS You can see this really fries my cheese!

Lisa
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
He lost because he couldn’t attack ObamaCare; he is perceived as a moderate and because he is a Mormon.

NB: I voted for him.
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We rarely disagree but on this one we do. Romney’s moderate label actually GARNERED many votes that a Gingrich or a Santorum couldn’t have hoped to generate. The last time Republicans successfully promoted a winning candidate for the White House it was George Bush. I loved many things about Bush but he was less a Conservative than Romney by a mile. I do not think a President Romney would have pushed a Medicare Drug bill, No Child Left Behind or amnesty for illegals…all of which were Bush’s pet projects.

Moderate isn’t such a dirty word to many Americans who tend more to the middle than either right or left. For my own purposes there are certain non-negotiables such as life issues but I don’t demand a purist or idealogue on every issue. Reagan wasn’t the Reagan of legend until long after his death…

I think Romney lost because of erroneous assumptions about how easy it would be to beat Obama due to the poor economy, his HUGE decline in support and approval ratings, and the corruption that ran rampant for the first four years. Unfortunately the media hid Obama’s many faults and failings…remember Candy Crowley LYING and coming to Obama’s rescue during the second debate?

Romney and his campaign staff were overly cautious, focused on the wrong issues much of the time, unable to answer the onslaught of negative ads before the Convention, and had a terrible ground game. Further Romney is a Mormon businessman and that doesn’t play well in Peoria. Now I LOVE Mormon businessmen and his humility, dedication and self effacement is typical of them. But in a celebrity culture where the “rock star” persona is more important than competence, it wasn’t a winning formula.

I do grant that anti-Mormon bigotry had an impact. But other than that, I disagree with your assessment of the reasons for the loss.

Lisa
 
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