Gingrich: Mourdock's Comments Reflect Position of 'Virtually Every Catholic' in the U.S

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< This morning on “This Week” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich defended the controversial comments made by Richard Mourdock, in which he suggested that pregnancies resulting from rape were “intended” by God. Gingrich said that the Indiana Republican Senate candidate’s words reflected the position of “virtually every Catholic” in the United States.

“My response is, if you listen to what Mourdock actually said, he said what virtually every Catholic and every fundamentalist in the country believes, life begins at conception,” Gingrich said. “Now, this seems to be fixated by the Democrats, but the radical on abortion is Obama, who as a state senator voted three times in favor of allowing doctors to kill babies in the eighth and ninth month who were born, having survived late-term abortion.”

Gingrich further defended Mourdock and asked why some people, including President Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, could not “get over” the comments.

“He also immediately issued a clarification saying he was referring to the act of conception, and he condemned rape. Romney has condemned - I mean, one part of this is nonsense. Every candidate I know, every decent American I know condemns rape. Okay, so why can’t people like Stephanie Cutter get over it? We all condemn rape.”

Gingrich appeared on “This Week” following Cutter, who criticized Mitt Romney for not asking Mourdock to pull an ad featuring the GOP presidential nominee.

“Just this past week we saw it, when he wouldn’t take down his ad for Richard Mourdock, who had - you know, it’s a now famous comment that it’s God’s will if a woman gets pregnant through rape. He’s not willing to stand up when it matters,” Cutter said.

I also asked Gingrich about the upcoming election and he predicted Romney would win the popular vote with 53 percent. He also pushed back against the idea suggested by some that an Obama victory in the Electoral College, but a popular vote loss would cause some in the GOP to characterize the win as illegitimate.

“I mean, we’re a nation of law. We’re going to obey the law…I think he’s actually going to end up winning around 53-47,” Gingrich said. “And I think it’s very unlikely he can win a significant popular victory vote and not carry the Electoral College.” >

Gingrich may have been incorrect to say that virtually every Catholic believes that life begins at conception,and many of those who do believe it still think that abortion should be an option. But certainly,the true Catholics who follow the magisterium believe that all
pregnancies are intended and caused by God,regardless of the situation that led to pregnancy. Conception is an act of creation by the power of God,not just a biological act. The sexual act is the human cause that God uses an an occasion to create human persons.
 
news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-richard-mourdocks-comments-reflect-position-virtually-172019045–abc-news-politics.html?_esi=0

< This morning on “This Week” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich defended the controversial comments made by Richard Mourdock, in which he suggested that pregnancies resulting from rape were “intended” by God. Gingrich said that the Indiana Republican Senate candidate’s words reflected the position of “virtually every Catholic” in the United States.

“My response is, if you listen to what Mourdock actually said, he said what virtually every Catholic and every fundamentalist in the country believes, life begins at conception,” Gingrich said. “Now, this seems to be fixated by the Democrats, but the radical on abortion is Obama, who as a state senator voted three times in favor of allowing doctors to kill babies in the eighth and ninth month who were born, having survived late-term abortion.”

Gingrich further defended Mourdock and asked why some people, including President Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, could not “get over” the comments.

“He also immediately issued a clarification saying he was referring to the act of conception, and he condemned rape. Romney has condemned - I mean, one part of this is nonsense. Every candidate I know, every decent American I know condemns rape. Okay, so why can’t people like Stephanie Cutter get over it? We all condemn rape.”

Gingrich appeared on “This Week” following Cutter, who criticized Mitt Romney for not asking Mourdock to pull an ad featuring the GOP presidential nominee.

“Just this past week we saw it, when he wouldn’t take down his ad for Richard Mourdock, who had - you know, it’s a now famous comment that it’s God’s will if a woman gets pregnant through rape. He’s not willing to stand up when it matters,” Cutter said.

I also asked Gingrich about the upcoming election and he predicted Romney would win the popular vote with 53 percent. He also pushed back against the idea suggested by some that an Obama victory in the Electoral College, but a popular vote loss would cause some in the GOP to characterize the win as illegitimate.

“I mean, we’re a nation of law. We’re going to obey the law…I think he’s actually going to end up winning around 53-47,” Gingrich said. “And I think it’s very unlikely he can win a significant popular victory vote and not carry the Electoral College.” >

Gingrich may have been incorrect to say that virtually every Catholic believes that life begins at conception,and many of those who do believe it still think that abortion should be an option. But certainly,the true Catholics who follow the magisterium believe that all
pregnancies are intended and caused by God,regardless of the situation that led to pregnancy. Conception is an act of creation by the power of God,not just a biological act. The sexual act is the human cause that God uses an an occasion to create human persons.
 
Except for the Catholics who called his comments “repugnant.” Those Catholics may disagree with Church teaching on the matter and approve of abortion in the cases of rape.
 
What’s more repugnant? Mourdock making a comment, or murdering innocent children because their father committed a crime?
 
What’s more repugnant? Mourdock making a comment, or murdering innocent children because their father committed a crime?
Both. In the end it came out like this… rape is a gift; He phrased it very poorly and should really just announce he is resigning from his bid for senate (if memory serves). It seems many republicans need to get some major sensitivity training and be able to actually articulate things because it is hurting them a lot.
 
news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-richard-mourdocks-comments-reflect-position-virtually-172019045–abc-news-politics.html?_esi=0

< This morning on “This Week” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich defended the controversial comments made by Richard Mourdock, in which he suggested that pregnancies resulting from rape were “intended” by God. Gingrich said that the Indiana Republican Senate candidate’s words reflected the position of “virtually every Catholic” in the United States.

“My response is, if you listen to what Mourdock actually said, he said what virtually every Catholic and every fundamentalist in the country believes, life begins at conception,” Gingrich said. “Now, this seems to be fixated by the Democrats, but the radical on abortion is Obama, who as a state senator voted three times in favor of allowing doctors to kill babies in the eighth and ninth month who were born, having survived late-term abortion.”

Gingrich further defended Mourdock and asked why some people, including President Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, could not “get over” the comments.

“He also immediately issued a clarification saying he was referring to the act of conception, and he condemned rape. Romney has condemned - I mean, one part of this is nonsense. Every candidate I know, every decent American I know condemns rape. Okay, so why can’t people like Stephanie Cutter get over it? We all condemn rape.”

Gingrich appeared on “This Week” following Cutter, who criticized Mitt Romney for not asking Mourdock to pull an ad featuring the GOP presidential nominee.

“Just this past week we saw it, when he wouldn’t take down his ad for Richard Mourdock, who had - you know, it’s a now famous comment that it’s God’s will if a woman gets pregnant through rape. He’s not willing to stand up when it matters,” Cutter said.

I also asked Gingrich about the upcoming election and he predicted Romney would win the popular vote with 53 percent. He also pushed back against the idea suggested by some that an Obama victory in the Electoral College, but a popular vote loss would cause some in the GOP to characterize the win as illegitimate.

“I mean, we’re a nation of law. We’re going to obey the law…I think he’s actually going to end up winning around 53-47,” Gingrich said. “And I think it’s very unlikely he can win a significant popular victory vote and not carry the Electoral College.” >

Gingrich may have been incorrect to say that virtually every Catholic believes that life begins at conception,and many of those who do believe it still think that abortion should be an option. But certainly,the true Catholics who follow the magisterium believe that all
pregnancies are intended and caused by God,regardless of the situation that led to pregnancy. Conception is an act of creation by the power of God,not just a biological act. The sexual act is the human cause that God uses an an occasion to create human persons.
Well said! Kudos to Mr. Gingrich for taking a brave and principled stand. 👍

As a poster on the earlier thread said, it’s hard to compress a theodicy into a sound bite, but our media expect us to do so! While we can argue about the exact phrasing of Mr. Mourdock’s statement (which is actually correct in all its essentials), this should not prevent us from witnessing to the Gospel of Life.
 
Virtually every practising Catholic who understanding Church teaching on abortion, likely yes. Rape is an evil act, but if pregnancy results the baby is innocent and deserves life
 
I wonder if all these pro-choicers who object to Mourdock’s comments realize that the logical conclusion of their position is to tell all people that were conceived in rape that not even God wants them.

I wonder how many will do that?
 
I wonder if all these pro-choicers who object to Mourdock’s comments realize that the logical conclusion of their position is to tell all people that were conceived in rape that not even God wants them.

I wonder how many will do that?
They won’t. It’s that simple. They’ll use “argument by outrage” about how horrible rape is, to cover over the crime of abortion (as if two wrongs somehow make a right) and use catch-phrases about “a woman’s right to choose” and “the trauma of being unwanted”. I’ve heard them all too often. 😦
 
I thought a woman couldn’t get pregnant as a result of “legitimate rape”?
 
I thought a woman couldn’t get pregnant as a result of “legitimate rape”?
Cry fould that Romney isn’t “really” pro-life.

Throw those under the bus who are unshakably so.

This is the new stragegy for the liberal Catholic since their party of choice has gone unabashedly pro abortion.
 
What’s more repugnant? Mourdock making a comment, or murdering innocent children because their father committed a crime?
We live in a society that has made a scape goat out of innocent children in the womb. But it’s even more amazing that Obama believes babies should still be killed or allowed to die after birth. It’s apparent that Obama firmly believes that abortion is the highest good. The bishops trying to talk to Obama is like how Moses tried to talk to Pharaoh.
 
I thought a woman couldn’t get pregnant as a result of “legitimate rape”?
C’mon… that is uncalled for. You are referring to a remark made by a different candidate (Akin), in a different state (Missouri). I think any objective person would acknowledge that the “legitimate rape” phrase was an extremely poor choice of words, but that candidate was not approving of rape in any circumstances.

As for his rape/non-pregnancy statement, that was a silly claim, and Akin backed down from it. But even if you want to continue to question him about it, Akin’s beliefs have nothing to do with Mourdock’s beliefs.
 
C’mon… that is uncalled for. You are referring to a remark made by a different candidate (Akin), in a different state (Missouri). I think any objective person would acknowledge that the “legitimate rape” phrase was an extremely poor choice of words, but that candidate was not approving of rape in any circumstances.

As for his rape/non-pregnancy statement, that was a silly claim, and Akin backed down from it. But even if you want to continue to question him about it, Akin’s beliefs have nothing to do with Mourdock’s beliefs.
I might buy that if anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President admitted that it was a “poor choice of words” or that anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President acknowledged the problems with the way rape has been characterized during this campaign.

They can’t be all part of one party and one platform when it’s convenient and all individuals when they mess up.

Nobody else is allowed to be individuals, everyone else must take ownership of every action and word said by the members of their “group”. After all, anyone not voting for Romney is part of some anti-Catholic, pro-abortion, socialist, gay agenda movement, right?
 
I might buy that if anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President admitted that it was a “poor choice of words” or that anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President acknowledged the problems with the way rape has been characterized during this campaign.
In all fairness, Romney did publicly criticize Akin’s remarks, and did so immediately.
Mitt Romney said today Rep. Todd Akin’s controversial comments on rape are “insulting.”
Romney, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee told National Review Online this morning that Akin’s comments on rape are also “inexcusable and, frankly, wrong.”
“What he said is entirely without merit and he should correct it,” the GOP presidential nominee is quoted as saying.
content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/todd-akin-rape-mitt-romney-paul-ryan-/1

Romney’s campaign issued a similar statement

“USA Today articleRomney’s comments to National Review Online followed a campaign statement in which Romney and running mate Paul Ryan distanced themselves from Akin said:
Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” said campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg.

Akin had been getting a large amount of money from national Republican-affiliated organizations. That money dried up immediately after Akin’s comment. The only reason Akin was able to continue his campaign is because money from Missouri supporters continued unabated.
They can’t be all part of one party and one platform when it’s convenient and all individuals when they mess up.
Party platforms are meaningless. They are little more than a sop to the special interests within the party. No one else reads them, and politicians do not vote according to platform positions, but according to their own lights.
Nobody else is allowed to be individuals, everyone else must take ownership of every action and word said by the members of their “group”. After all, anyone not voting for Romney is part of some anti-Catholic, pro-abortion, socialist, gay agenda movement, right?
I understand your frustration. Online political discussions tend to be a waste of time, with wild rhetoric fueled by only a loose awareness of facts and a general unwillingness to consider alternative viewpoints with respect This is why I tend to avoid them. Such interactions produce too much heat and loo little light.

As for Gingrich’s comments about Mourdock…Gingrich seems to one of the few politicians who fully embraced Mourdock’s comments. The fact that Gingrich is not currently running for office, and may never again, may have something to do with it. The position of no abortion in the case of rape is unpopular with voters, and its an emotional issue which can affect voters’ choices.
 
I might buy that if anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President admitted that it was a “poor choice of words” or that anyone in that party, including the candidate running for President acknowledged the problems with the way rape has been characterized during this campaign.

They can’t be all part of one party and one platform when it’s convenient and all individuals when they mess up.
Imagine what it would be like if Democrats would all be held accountable for every time Biden had a poor choice of words.
 
Imagine what it would be like if Democrats would all be held accountable for every time Biden had a poor choice of words.
Aren’t they? Aren’t they already held responsible for everything he or Nancy Pelosi or any other left leaning person says or does?

Thank you for making my point, Nobody is allowed to be an individual anymore- we’re all placed in Red or Blue boxes. I don’t believe everyone who votes for the GOP hates minorities, but I have seen that accusation thrown at people on other political sites I post on.I don’t believe everyone who votes Democrat wants to kill all unborn children, but I’ve seen that accusation thrown at people as well.

I really hope that after next week, no matter who wins, we can stop treating each other with such disregard and animosity.
 
I really hope that after next week, no matter who wins, we can stop treating each other with such disregard and animosity.
That would be a welcome change. Unfortunately, I think it will take some time to reduce this culture of hyper-partisanship. I am not sure what it will take, though.😦
 
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