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I seriously doubt there is anybody who has followed the election even briefly that does not know Ron Paul believes the Federal Reserve is a root of all evil and that the solution to America’s foreign-policy problems is to bring everybody home.

Ron Paul has always been a fringe candidate, never had a chance for the nomination and I am happy that this is the last presidential election, we’re going to have to put up with him and his supporters.
Yes, how annoying we all are. So sorry to bother you. :rolleyes:
 
The GOP field is not very appealing to someone (like me) who tends towards moderation.
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 Santorum is hard right wing and dangerous when it comes to foreign policy. He seems ready to bomb Iran as soon as he's president. We've had enough wars in my lifetime, half of them unnecessary.

 Gingrich is temperamentally a disaster, and his personal baggage is just too heavy. I know that many will forgive him all his past sins because he is now a Catholic. I'm sure God forgives him but they certainly provide a poor example for our youth and for your nation. Besides, he made millions as a lobbyist, as much as he tries to deny it.

 Paul's courage is to be applauded. He has fought for peace for years. But otherwise he is just too much of a libertarian, almost an anarchist. The danger is that Paul may run an independent campaign.

 Perry may be better than he sounds. I would like to see more of him. To date he seems unprepared for the oval office. 

 Huntsman seems like a reasonable man, certainly well-versed in foreign policy and likeable. However, he doesn't have a chance.

 Romney does not warm many hearts, including mine. However, when you examine the GOP alternatives at the moment, he seems to be the best candidate to run against Obama. I so worry that between his moderation, his flip-flops and his Mormon religion, a lot of Republicans will stay home.

 There may be a brokered convention, and perhaps the delegates will name someone else. Time will tell.

 Otherwise, Obama is likely to win again. Despite the arguments and rhetoric against him, most Americans like him personally and distrust the GOP as the handmaiden of the rich.
 
Can you tell my why my Viet Namese manicurist, who barely speaks English, drives an Acura SUV, owns a home in the suburbs, and a vacation home in Viet Nam? She’s put her three children through college in the US. She’s been in the country for 20 years.
Maybe because even if some of her clients have had to downsize to make ends meet, they still go to her for manicures.
 
Again, one can wonder if the zeal that seems to burn New Times Newt 🙂 , that seems to make him sound at times, like spicy rich ginger root 🙂 , - if that may be of a prophetic nature , that is unleashed , to mitigate what might be trying times for Mary Immaculate and her children , which is all of us , so that we do not get 'romanised ’ as in pagan Rome that fell for emperor worship etc : , from the influence of such a value system !

Is it the human wisdom of our fallen nature that The Lord called ‘satanic’ while adressing Peter 's urge , to become god over The Lord himself, that is also making many refuse to want to look at the deepest convictions of the person to whom they want to entrust the leadership of the country to !

'Get behind Me ’ he was told - so that Peter too can so command , to those who are so tempted !

Would it be better to look at these values than everything else and trust that with those foundations in place , rest can be dealt with !

Would there be individual culpability , from choosing for someone , whom we have to wonder, has not followed the commandment, not to make gods unto oneself !

Could there be unforseen consequences , from ignoring such !

We can hope too that many who adhere to these latter day teachings might , in the depth of their hearts , be convinced of the everlasting , eternal nature of God and thus offer Him worship
from such a truth …and that God can still lead them there , esp. may be through all this election frenzy !

Let us entrust our efforts again , for such outcomes , for the coming of The Kingdom !

O Mary, concieved without sin , pray for us who have recourse to Thee ; pray for those who do not have recourse to Thee, esp. the enemies of The Church !
 
How much coverage of this have yous seen?

nbcphiladelphia.com/entertainment/television/NATL-Stump-Speech-or-Victory-Speech-136728613.html

And you’re telling me that the media isn’t controlling popular opinion?
Yes, that is what I’m telling you now and have been. Look, I agree that the media is biased and sometimes certain candidates become the “darling” of the media. But what I think you’re overlooking is the actions and behavior of the candidates themselves - and you’ve ignored these points I made in previous posts. Perry made a big splash because he was a successful governor, has lots of money and organization, and could win the nomination. The debates showed him for the empty suit that he is (sorry Perry fans), and he fizzled. Cain was an interesting candidate - he was a black conservative businessman, and had the 9-9-9 plan which resonated with lots of tea party voters. Then he obviously had his problems which were not the media’s fault.

Gingrich rose in the polls, but he made a number of gaffes and what some might consider outrageous statements - questioning the money Romney legitmately made in the private sector for example - and he has fallen. I think this election so far has shown two things: that there is a demand for an alternative to Romney and that the Republican primary voters are fickle. To say that the media “controls” popular opinion might be a better explanation from the standpoint of the Ron Paul supporter, but I think the better explanation is that the media is biased, and likes a good story to report on.

Ishii
 
The most decisive example has been the coverage of Cain when he won some Florida straw poll versus the coverage of Paul when he was winning straw polls across the country. The former garnered a storm of coverage, while the latter was completely ignored. Yes, candidates can do themselves in like Perry certainly contributed to, but my point is that many voters are fickle and seem to follow candidates according to their coverage in the media.
 
The most decisive example has been the coverage of Cain when he won some Florida straw poll versus the coverage of Paul when he was winning straw polls across the country. The former garnered a storm of coverage, while the latter was completely ignored. Yes, candidates can do themselves in like Perry certainly contributed to, but my point is that many voters are fickle and seem to follow candidates according to their coverage in the media.
I would agree somewhat with the last statement. Voters are influenced by the media. But consider this: An erstwhile 3rd party candidate for president who has a small but very loyal and vocal following wins a straw poll, and a black conservative business man comes out of nowhere to win a straw poll. Which one is more worthy of coverage? I would say the latter because its a better story. Also, the lack of coverage for Paul might be because the press doesn’t think a 76 year old libertarian has much of a chance to win the nomination. Either way, I think to say that there is a media conspiracy or that the media “controls” opinion is going too far.

Ishii
 
I would agree somewhat with the last statement. Voters are influenced by the media. But consider this: An erstwhile 3rd party candidate for president who has a small but very loyal and vocal following wins a straw poll, and a black conservative business man comes out of nowhere to win a straw poll. Which one is more worthy of coverage? I would say the latter because its a better story. ** Also, the lack of coverage for Paul might be because the press doesn’t think a 76 year old libertarian has much of a chance to win the nomination**. Either way, I think to say that there is a media conspiracy or that the media “controls” opinion is going too far.

Ishii
And there is the bias that I am talking about that you just admitted to. The media has essentially decided for us that he is unelectable, hence they will not cover him, at least anything favorable that is.
 
Otherwise, Obama is likely to win again. Despite the arguments and rhetoric against him, most Americans like him personally and distrust the GOP as the handmaiden of the rich.
I agree. Santorum is good insofar that he’s aware of the eroding middle class and has a strong framily values stance but his foreign policy is ridiculous. No more preemtive wars.

I think the republicans certainly can come across as the party of the rich. Many don’t hide the fact that they want to cut capital gains taxes which will only benefit the wealthy (Cain and Gingrich) which can effectively raise middle class taxes.

My biggest problem with the republicans is that they too, like the democrats, hold to things which are antithetical to our catholic faith.

  1. *]Preemtive wars
    *]Support evil regemes (China, Saudi Arabia)
    *]Dispensational premillennialism (exagerrated defense of isreal)
    *]progressive or laissez faire capitalism
    *]a overall lack of concern with world hunger and development
    *]a overall lack of concern with environmental destruction

    While democrats certainly are gulity of the same things, they have adopted a pro-death platform making them completely unacceptable.
 
I think the republicans certainly can come across as the party of the rich. Many don’t hide the fact that they want to cut capital gains taxes which will only benefit the wealthy (Cain and Gingrich) which can effectively raise middle class taxes.
I disagree with that. Cutting capital gains taxes increases investment which increases productivity thereby increasing wages and lowering the cost of consumer goods.
My biggest problem with the republicans is that they too, like the democrats, hold to things which are antithetical to our catholic faith.

  1. *]Preemtive wars
    *]Support evil regemes (China, Saudi Arabia)
    *]Dispensational premillennialism (exagerrated defense of isreal)

  1. Agreed.
    *]progressive or laissez faire capitalism
    Laissez faire capitalism is totally compatible with the Catholic faith. See Thomas Woods, Tom DiLorenzo, Lew Rockwell, and the choral singer Jeffrey Tucker. Besides, Republicans follow corporatism and the Chicago School; that is definitely not capitalism.
    *]a overall lack of concern with world hunger and development
    *]a overall lack of concern with environmental destruction
    While democrats certainly are gulity of the same things, they have adopted a pro-death platform making them completely unacceptable.

    The libertarians have the best policy for these, IMO. The best way to end world hunger and spur development is to allow capital accumulation (aka end regulations, lower taxes). The best way to preserve the environment is to respect property rights (aka only allow pollution when nearby property owners allow it).
 
The GOP field is not very appealing to someone (like me) who tends towards moderation.
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 Santorum is hard right wing and dangerous when it comes to foreign policy. He seems ready to bomb Iran as soon as he's president. We've had enough wars in my lifetime, half of them unnecessary.

 Gingrich is temperamentally a disaster, and his personal baggage is just too heavy. I know that many will forgive him all his past sins because he is now a Catholic. I'm sure God forgives him but they certainly provide a poor example for our youth and for your nation. Besides, he made millions as a lobbyist, as much as he tries to deny it.

 Paul's courage is to be applauded. He has fought for peace for years. But otherwise he is just too much of a libertarian, almost an anarchist. The danger is that Paul may run an independent campaign.

 Perry may be better than he sounds. I would like to see more of him. To date he seems unprepared for the oval office. 

 Huntsman seems like a reasonable man, certainly well-versed in foreign policy and likeable. However, he doesn't have a chance.

 Romney does not warm many hearts, including mine. However, when you examine the GOP alternatives at the moment, he seems to be the best candidate to run against Obama. I so worry that between his moderation, his flip-flops and his Mormon religion, a lot of Republicans will stay home.

 There may be a brokered convention, and perhaps the delegates will name someone else. Time will tell.

 Otherwise, Obama is likely to win again. Despite the arguments and rhetoric against him, most Americans like him personally and distrust the GOP as the handmaiden of the rich.
It is the press that tells us that most Americans like Obama. How can you “like” someone you have never met. I don’t like him because he has not told the truth on many aspects of the economic situation, he blames everyone but himself, and he is playing to the lack of information most people have as to how the economy and government work. In other words, he thinks we are all stupid. I can only judge him by his actions since I have never met him either.
 
And there is the bias that I am talking about that you just admitted to. The media has essentially decided for us that he is unelectable, hence they will not cover him, at least anything favorable that is.
But he is unelectable. Most rational people accept that.
 
I really admire Gingrich and Perry standing up for the Catholic Church last night:

“I just want to raise a point about the news media bias,” Gingrich said after a rhetorical skirmish about gay marriage. “You don’t hear the opposite question asked.

“Should the Catholic Church be forced to close its adoption services in Massachusetts because it won’t accept gay couples, which is exactly what the state has done? Should the Catholic Church be driven out of providing charitable services in the District of Columbia because it won’t give in to secular bigotry? Should the Catholic Church find itself discriminated against by the Obama administration on key delivery of services because of the bias and the bigotry of the administration?”

“The bigotry question goes both ways,” Gingrich added. “And there’s a lot more anti-Christian bigotry today than there is concerning the other side. And none of it gets covered by the news media.”

Romney seconded Gingrich. “As you can tell, the people in this room feel that Speaker Gingrich is absolutely right and I do too,” Romney said after the former speaker’s comments earned him a loud applause.

Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/01/07/stephanopoulos-struggles-with-fairness-during-nh-debate/#ixzz1is9YIHC6

Gingrich Calls Out Media’s Liberal Bias on Gay Rights

Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/01/07/gingrich-calls-out-medias-liberal-bias-gay-rights#ixzz1isAeuqUV
 
I really admire Gingrich and Perry standing up for the Catholic Church last night:

“I just want to raise a point about the news media bias,” Gingrich said after a rhetorical skirmish about gay marriage. “You don’t hear the opposite question asked.

“Should the Catholic Church be forced to close its adoption services in Massachusetts because it won’t accept gay couples, which is exactly what the state has done? Should the Catholic Church be driven out of providing charitable services in the District of Columbia because it won’t give in to secular bigotry? Should the Catholic Church find itself discriminated against by the Obama administration on key delivery of services because of the bias and the bigotry of the administration?”

“The bigotry question goes both ways,” Gingrich added. “And there’s a lot more anti-Christian bigotry today than there is concerning the other side. And none of it gets covered by the news media.”

Romney seconded Gingrich. “As you can tell, the people in this room feel that Speaker Gingrich is absolutely right and I do too,” Romney said after the former speaker’s comments earned him a loud applause.

Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/01/07/stephanopoulos-struggles-with-fairness-during-nh-debate/#ixzz1is9YIHC6

Gingrich Calls Out Media’s Liberal Bias on Gay Rights

Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/01/07/gingrich-calls-out-medias-liberal-bias-gay-rights#ixzz1isAeuqUV
It was the highlight of the debate. A stark exposition of how the so called homosexual rights movement is being used to attack the Church I was pleased they called it want it is- bigotry.
 
I really admire Gingrich and Perry standing up for the Catholic Church last night
It’s called pandering. Actions speak louder than words. Have either of them been in contact with any Catholic charities to let them know they’ve got their back? Have any Catholic charities let anyone know that Gingrich or Perry have contacted them? I’d like to see them held accountable if they SAY they’re going to stand up for the church.
 
It’s called pandering. Actions speak louder than words. Have either of them been in contact with any Catholic charities to let them know they’ve got their back? Have any Catholic charities let anyone know that Gingrich or Perry have contacted them? I’d like to see them held accountable if they SAY they’re going to stand up for the church.
In all sincerity and Charity, that is an uncharitable comment.
 
It’s called pandering. Actions speak louder than words. Have either of them been in contact with any Catholic charities to let them know they’ve got their back? Have any Catholic charities let anyone know that Gingrich or Perry have contacted them? I’d like to see them held accountable if they SAY they’re going to stand up for the church.
Catholic Charities in Texas(where Perry is givernor) is NOT cut off from State funds becuase of its beilefs on Abortion and homosexuality. Gingrich has used the bully pulpit(the only thing available to an unelected offical) to point out the Obama Administrations ongoing attack on the Church.

It appears we are hearing the usual Democrat Catholic matra of :“Republcians dont do enough to stop the Democrat advancement of the culture of death therefore its ok to support those who promote the culture of death”
 
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