Given the principles of evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc, do you think belief in the supernatural will die out or become a m

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tonyrey said:
There can be no greater nonsense than the hypothesis that rational beings have emerged as the result of fortuitous combinations of mindless molecules and random genetic mutations. It’s a superb example of getting something for nothing…
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For the purpose of discussion, we can assume that God was responsible for our emergence from the primeval slime. We are now talking about the soul. Please keep up, Tony.
 
Bradski said:
For the purpose of discussion, we can assume that God was responsible for our emergence from the primeval slime. We are now talking about the soul. Please keep up, Tony.
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Given the wording of the topic and science, God didn’t do anything.

Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Given the wording of the topic and science, God didn’t do anything.

Ed
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Are you a 6 day creationist? A young Earther? A flat earther?

For me, the Universe is a lot different than what people thought it was. Does this mean that God had nothing to do with the existence of the universe and the laws by which it operates? No. But the theory of evolution does raise some difficult questions for anyone that takes the question seriously. I’m not a young earth creationist because i take science seriously. Do you?
 
edwest2 said:
Given the wording of the topic and science, God didn’t do anything.
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Q: Given that the principles of evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc, were possibly ordained by God, why do you think belief in the supernatural will die out or become a minority worldview?

A: Because the existence of a soul contradicts what we know about genetics.
 
IWantGod said:
Are you a 6 day creationist? A young Earther? A flat earther?

For me, the Universe is a lot different than what people thought it was. Does this mean that God had nothing to do with the existence of the universe and the laws by which it operates? No. But the theory of evolution does raise some difficult questions for anyone that takes the question seriously. I’m not a young earth creationist because i take science seriously. Do you?
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I am not an young earth creationist because I understand the protocol of the visible Catholic Church on earth in regard to science.
 
Bradski said:
Q: Given that the principles of evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc, were possibly ordained by God, why do you think belief in the supernatural will die out or become a minority worldview?

A: Because the existence of a soul contradicts what we know about genetics.
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The soul is invisible. It cannot be studied by science so it doesn’t exist. That will always be the problem: science cannot offer the complete answer. And since it doesn’t, those who do not hear the Word of God are missing out on crucial information.

The supernatural will never die out.

Ed
 
IWantGod said:
I have no problem seeing that there is in fact a transcendent reality. Adam and Eve as the biological parents of the human race is held infallibly. Which only leaves one option for the Church. We have to believe that the species Homosapian is not the same thing as a person with a soul. We have to believe that God chose 2 people out of the homo-sapien species and granted them eternal souls and human beings today are the descendants. But apparently genetics does not support this view. Unless of course you believe that some humans today don’t have eternal rational souls.
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Regarding this sentence. “We have to believe that God chose 2 people out of the homo-sapien species and granted them eternal souls and human beings today are the descendants.”

What is the nature of those 2 people?
 
My goodness, are we still denying God the act of creating evolution.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
My goodness, are we still denying God the act of creating evolution.
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I doubt that God created the extremely complicated Science of Human Evolution. It is so complicated that it is not discussed in depth.

The real creative power of God is very simple to understand.
For example Genesis 1: 27
 
rossum said:
Not “the Bible contradicts…” but instead, “one interpretation of the Bible contradicts…” There are many different interpretations of the Bible; only a proportion of them contradict science.

Not really. The effects of a talking donkey cannot be detected today. The effects of the 6,000 year old earth and a recent global flood could be detected today, if they had happened. Since those expected effects are not detected then scientists and others are very sceptical about those overly literal interpretations of Genesis.

rossum
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If you’re going to say that the sun stopped in midheaven or a donkey talked, then you should have no trouble affirming a global flood or six-day creation. Both are equally supernatural, and both would be rejected by naturalists. There’s certainly an enormous amount of scientific evidence that donkeys don’t speak and that the sun can’t stop in midheaven; these things are testable. Again, you’re not being consistent.
 
grannymh said:
I doubt that God created the extremely complicated Science of Human Evolution. It is so complicated that it is not discussed in depth.

The real creative power of God is very simple to understand.
For example Genesis 1: 27
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Why Do you doubt that God evolved a living organism to better equip it for survival on His Earth?

That’s rejecting God the Scientist, Read Job.

And Appreciate rainbows
 
I fail to see how the theory of evolution contradicts believing in the supernatural. Belief in the supernatural can not die out because the supernatural is real and many people continue to experience the supernatural in their lives. From miracles to God acting in their lives in various ways. God is much more real in people’s lives than any scientific theory. Thus if anything would be in danger of falling away it would be the scientific theory if such a theory contradicted the plain knowledge of God’s existence. Such a theory would be anti reality and not worth believing in. Of course there is no scientific theory that contradicts God’s existence. So such a theory is only hypothetical.
 
Achilles6129 said:
If you’re going to say that the sun stopped in midheaven or a donkey talked, then you should have no trouble affirming a global flood or six-day creation. Both are equally supernatural, and both would be rejected by naturalists. There’s certainly an enormous amount of scientific evidence that donkeys don’t speak and that the sun can’t stop in midheaven; these things are testable. Again, you’re not being consistent.
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A global flood would leave effects that could be measured today, such as every land tetrapod species having a recent genetic bottleneck. Such effects are not observed, so we can discount the global flood interpretation of the Bible.

A single donkey talking for a few minutes would not leave any measurable effects today.

rossum
 
Bradski said:
There wasn’t an original couple as a single breeding pair would require brothers and sisters to breed to continue the line. The minimum number of couples to ensure a healthy lineage is around 70.
The only way this works is that at a particular time (let’s say at 4:30pm on April the 3rd in some given year), God decided that, yeah, we are now evolved enough to be classed as human, so everyone born from that moment onwards would have a soul.
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I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. I call this faith and trust in God.

Adam lived 930 years. God is in control of all the laws that govern creation.

I have no idea how all this could happen, but then the Bible is not a book of science.

It needs a minimum of 70 couples to start a lineage at 4.30 pm, on a given day. How does the evolutionary process find a 140 people to start a lineage at 4.30 pm?
 
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