Given the principles of evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc, do you think belief in the supernatural will die out or become a m

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Eric_Hyom said:
It needs a minimum of 70 couples to start a lineage at 4.30 pm, on a given day. How does the evolutionary process find a 140 people to start a lineage at 4.30 pm?
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It’s not that there weren’t enough. There were many more then 140 people. Which is exactly the point. You can’ do it with less. Certainly not with 2.
 
Bradski said:
It’s not that there weren’t enough. There were many more then 140 people. Which is exactly the point. You can’ do it with less. Certainly not with 2.
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How does that work? There were 140 people in year X, what happens if you go back one generation, was there 120? How many people were there five or ten generations before that?
 
Eric_Hyom said:
How does that work? There were 140 people in year X, what happens if you go back one generation, was there 120? How many people were there five or ten generations before that?
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There was no year X! There have never been insufficient organisms to maintain the lineage of the human race. Even before it was human.
 
Bradski said:
There was no year X! There have never been insufficient organisms to maintain the lineage of the human race.
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The human race is here to day, that confirms we must have had a beginning.

At some point we split from our common ancestor, and you seem to be saying this split needed to happen with at least 140 people in one go. You seem to be saying there could not be a previous generation with 120 or a 100 people.

But how?
 
fisherman_carl said:
I fail to see how the theory of evolution contradicts believing in the supernatural. Belief in the supernatural can not die out because the supernatural is real and many people continue to experience the supernatural in their lives. From miracles to God acting in their lives in various ways. God is much more real in people’s lives than any scientific theory. Thus if anything would be in danger of falling away it would be the scientific theory if such a theory contradicted the plain knowledge of God’s existence. Such a theory would be anti reality and not worth believing in. Of course there is no scientific theory that contradicts God’s existence. So such a theory is only hypothetical.
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The best test of any theory is whether it corresponds to the way we think, feel and live. No one - apart from psychopaths - behaves and treats others as if they are biological machines!
 
grannymh said:
It should be obvious to everyone that the Science of Human Evolution is entirely natural.
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.:clapping: And restricted to bodily functions without accounting for our beliefs, choices, values, rights, plans, goals, ideals, theories, principles, emotions, intuitions, explanations, decisions, ambitions and aspirations, i.e. the most precious aspects of our personality…
 
Bradski said:
There was no year X! There have never been insufficient organisms to maintain the lineage of the human race. Even before it was human.
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You need to explain how you interpret the term “human”. Just an advanced biological organism?
 
tonyrey said:
And restricted to bodily functions without accounting for our beliefs, choices, values, rights, plans, goals, ideals, theories, principles, emotions, intuitions, explanations, decisions, ambitions and aspirations, i.e. the most precious aspects of our personality…
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Nope. Google ‘evolution of’ and you’ll find lots of articles. A few examples:

moral intuition - pnas.org/content/113/4/936.full
love - psychologytoday.com/blog/your-wise-brain/201002/the-evolution-love
etc.

The field has several peer-reviewed journals including:

Journal of Human Evolution
Human Nature
Evolution & Human Behavior
Evolution, Mind and Behavior
Religion, Brain & Behaviour
 
rossum said:
A global flood would leave effects that could be measured today, such as every land tetrapod species having a recent genetic bottleneck. Such effects are not observed, so we can discount the global flood interpretation of the Bible.

A single donkey talking for a few minutes would not leave any measurable effects today.

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That’s beside the point. Both events are equally against modern science. Actually, a talking donkey is probably more against modern science than a global flood.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. I call this faith and trust in God.

Adam lived 930 years. God is in control of all the laws that govern creation.

I have no idea how all this could happen, but then the Bible is not a book of science.

It needs a minimum of 70 couples to start a lineage at 4.30 pm, on a given day. How does the evolutionary process find a 140 people to start a lineage at 4.30 pm?
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:amen::blessyou:
 
IWantGod said:
If evolution did not happen, then why are animals different to what they were millions of years ago?
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Evolution happened in the material world of scientists.

Evolution was previously known as survival of the fittest or adaptation to a changing environment.
 
inocente said:
Nope. Google ‘evolution of’ and you’ll find lots of articles. A few examples:

moral intuition - pnas.org/content/113/4/936.full
love - psychologytoday.com/blog/your-wise-brain/201002/the-evolution-love
etc.

The field has several peer-reviewed journals including:

Journal of Human Evolution
Human Nature
Evolution & Human Behavior
Evolution, Mind and Behavior
Religion, Brain & Behaviour
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To reduce** all **human behaviour to physical evolution is unChristian and atheistic because it implies that we lack free will and moral responsibility…
 
grannymh said:
Evolution happened in the material world of scientists.

Evolution was previously known as survival of the fittest or adaptation to a changing environment.
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Precisely! The key word is “material”. 😉
 
IWantGod said:
If evolution did not happen, then why are animals different to what they were millions of years ago?
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One might observe that animals are no different now from one another than they are from those that were millions of years ago. The more complex in either time period have livers, brains, kidneys, some sort of gastrointestinal system, and so on. Instinctually, they all feel pleasure, pain, some sort of emotion and drive; they would respond in their own fashion to danger, food and each other. The fact that there are different kinds of animals now and also over the course of time does not favour any one side of a creation-evolution debate.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
The human race is here to day, that confirms we must have had a beginning.

At some point we split from our common ancestor, and you seem to be saying this split needed to happen with at least 140 people in one go. You seem to be saying there could not be a previous generation with 120 or a 100 people.

But how?
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Ye gods, what idiot mentioned 140 people? Oh, it was me.

Now look what you’ve done, Bradski. You’ve confused people like Eric who seems to think there was a specific point in history when one day humans split from…whatever it was we split from. And there was about 140 of us all looking at each other and wondering what to do next.

And you are going to what? Ask the mods if they can ban the subject of evolution again? Well, OK. If it means that you’ll stop banging your head against the wall then I’m all for it.
 
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