Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

[Darryl1958]

Yes, conservatives would respect their rights to do so.

Unlike those who oppose Mr. Beck.

True. Leftist politics in America are what is really polarizing. When centre-right politicians such as Bush are demonized into being a greater evil than even genocide-advocating Ahmadinejad, there really is no such thing as middle ground between the typical leftist position and what was once unviersally held American values.

Anything that Pelosi and Obama would do would of course be deemed political—they are politicians, that is what they do—; but the idea that the date and venue would be insulting to minorities and polarizing would not even enter into the minds of the preponderance of conservatives.

 

[iamrefreshed]

True. Leftist politics in America are what is really polarizing.

That is because they carry two ‘yardsticks’ to measure with.

Unfortunately they are not the same size.

 

[scipio337]

I wish the Left was half as concerned about defeating Al Qaedaas they are about defeating Fox news and Glenn Beck.

The War on Fox News has become a quagmire! We support the camera crews, but not their mission!

 

[bankerdavid]

You look at them and see if they are supported by fact.

Considering I am a conservative, and admire Ronald Reagan and William Buckley, you are reading something that isn’t there. Beck is a moron and a fraud. It has nothing to do with whether he is conservative.

Exactly what Beck has done. His ideas are supported by facts. And your idea that he is a moron and a fraud are…unsupported. You may disagree with him, but leave it at that.

 

[bankerdavid]

Name someone further to the fringe on the right than Beck or Palin. Keyes? Bachman?

That’s the fringe, meaning there’s no where else to go.

Name someone other than Beck who would inspire a counterprotest for an event he claims is nonpolitical. I can’t think of anyone.

That’s polarizing.

It may be that the people on the polarizing fringe are right about everything. It may be that one day they take over (but the fringe isn’t moving into the majority this November, the establishment Republicans might). That doesn’t mean they aren’t polarizing, fringe actors.

Since Beck isn’t a politician, he doesn’t fit the group you’ve named. Palin isn’t fringe, neither is Bachman, and neither is Keyes, come to think of it. If it is “fringe” to bring back free market economy, lower taxes, lessen government intrusion, and allow God back into our collective psyche, then you aren’t the conservative you think you are. All of those you mention would love to go back to Reagan’s ideas.

Beck, on the other hand, has done nothing to inspire any counter-protest, nor did he need to. He did what the NO Saints did after halftime and blindsided the Black establishment by intruding into ‘their’ agenda, taking MLK’s speech and giving it back to all of us. The idea that King was speaking to blacks, and that only blacks have a right to memorialize his speech is sheer idiocy. King was a pastor who didn’t think his flock was any single color.

 

[estesbob]

Obama and Pelosi are polarizing, but not fringe.

There are huge blocs of the Democrats that are far to the left of both of them, particularly Obama. Check out the debates on the stimulus and healthcare, where the far left attacked them constantly for caving.

I’m sure if Nancy and Barry held a rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to Restore Honor, there would be no reaction, and no one would claim it’s political.

could you give us an example of how Sarah Palin is polarizing and on the fringe?

 

[Pregustator]

Somebody on this forum recently posted a thread entitled, “What Is Hell Like?”

When Fox News and talk radio host Glenn Beck comes to Washington this weekend to headline a rally intended to “restore honor” to America, he will test the strength - and potentially expose the weaknesses - of a conservative grass-roots movement that remains an unpredictable force in the country’s politics.

Beck, who is both admired and assailed for his faith-based patriotism and his brash criticism of President Obama, plans in part to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. as an American hero. He will speak on the anniversary of the “I Have a Dream” speech, from the spot where King delivered it.

Some “tea party” activists say the event, at which former Alaska governor Sarah Palin is also scheduled to speak…

There’s your answer.

 

[Charlotte408]

It will be treated as follows:

MSM: If it’s a big crowd, they’ll show pictures of some small grouping or talk about how many nutcases are being drummed up by “racist hysteria”, and how dangerous it is for America to have “mob mentality” stirred up by “fearmongers” like Beck.

Oh check out THIS spin I read this morning:

news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20100826/cm_theweek/206445

They named the article ‘An instant guide to Becks rally’ and say it has the REAL facts. The only fact they presented was the date/time and that Sarah Palin would be speaking there.The rest is just complete non sense. You should read the comments, they had to shut it down.

 

[Charlotte408]

Martin Luther Kings daughter is joining him.

Oh thats so nice. I love the King family. That speaks volumes in itself.

Especially since part of the spin on the rally is that it is blatantly disrespectful and racist to hold the event on MLK day! Check the article…

 

[Catherine_D]

Oh check out THIS spin I read this morning:

news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20100826/cm_theweek/206445

They named the article ‘An instant guide to Becks rally’ and say it has the REAL facts. The only fact they presented was the date/time and that Sarah Palin would be speaking there.The rest is just complete non sense. You should read the comments, they had to shut it down.

Wow! So if the details on the agenda are kinda sketchy, then reporters just make up the rest? This is what passes for journalism?

 

[Catherine_D]

Oh thats so nice. I love the King family. That speaks volumes in itself.

Especially since part of the spin on the rally is that it is blatantly disrespectful and racist to hold the event on MLK day! Check the article…

She’s actually Dr. King’s niece.

 

[Good_News_1]

Palin isn’t fringe, neither is Bachman, and neither is Keyes, come to think of it.

Your perception of the political spectrum is misaligned. There is no one to the right ot Keyes or Bachman. If Keyes isn’t fringe, then no one is - which I think is your position.

I’m not going to continue to beat a dead horse.

There have always been several approaches to politics in the Republican party. One persistent divide was illustrated with William Buckley distanced his movement from the Birchers. The Bircher strand is always there, just as the socialist and hippie strands are always in the Democratic party. They just don’t represent the center.

Beck inherits the most paranoid aspects of the Bircher tradition. People like McCain carry on the Buckley tradition. Bush, someone here called centre-right, and I don’t disagree with that. Obama is center left.

My takeaway from this thread is that many people here think that Bachman and Beck speak for mainstream America and are centrists. They seem to believe Sarah Palin polls well. They probably also think that McCain is a RINO, etc. Regardless of whether Beck or Bachman or anyone else is right on certain issues, or whether it ought to be otherwise, it isn’t really defensible to deny that they are on the edge of the spectrum. And someone as incendiary as Beck is going to draw controversy and protest whatever he does. That’s how he earns his living - riling people up, scaring them, and making them buy into his alternative universe.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

Oh check out THIS spin I read this morning:

news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20100826/cm_theweek/206445

They named the article ‘An instant guide to Becks rally’ and say it has the REAL facts. The only fact they presented was the date/time and that Sarah Palin would be speaking there.The rest is just complete non sense. You should read the comments, they had to shut it down.

I was listening to Becks radio show this morning… ABC was playing a statement that was completely edited. A complete hatchet job. CNN was asking Christian evangelicals how they could stand there with a mormon. Unreal.

The left has lost it. They are insane.

1100 buses that they know of are on the way to DC. Obamas inauguration had 1600 buses that came in.
How many are driving or flying.

The event is restoring honor, praying for our country and bringing God back into our lives.
There are prayer groups praying for America all over the mall in DC right now. That is beautiful.

Alveta King was on his radio show today too. She will be standing there praying for our country with hundreds of thousands of Americans.

all while Rev Sharpton and the black panthers are protesting it?!

Who would Dr King be standing with if he were alive today? I imagine he would be praying right along with the hundreds of thousands of Americans tomorrow.

 

[Charlotte408]

Your perception of the political spectrum is misaligned. There is no one to the right ot Keyes or Bachman. If Keyes isn’t fringe, then no one is - which I think is your position.

I’m not going to continue to beat a dead horse.

There have always been several approaches to politics in the Republican party. One persistent divide was illustrated with William Buckley distanced his movement from the Birchers. The Bircher strand is always there, just as the socialist and hippie strands are always in the Democratic party. They just don’t represent the center.

Beck inherits the most paranoid aspects of the Bircher tradition. People like McCain carry on the Buckley tradition. Bush, someone here called centre-right, and I don’t disagree with that. Obama is center left.

My takeaway from this thread is that many people here think that Bachman and Beck speak for mainstream America and are centrists. They seem to believe Sarah Palin polls well. They probably also think that McCain is a RINO, etc. Regardless of whether Beck or Bachman or anyone else is right on certain issues, or whether it ought to be otherwise, it isn’t really defensible to deny that they are on the edge of the spectrum. And someone as incendiary as Beck is going to draw controversy and protest whatever he does. That’s how he earns his living - riling people up, scaring them, and making them buy into his alternative universe.

Hee Hee…

Thats where I think he’s got you. He KNOWS that. He KNEW that if he threw this, certain cirlces would be in a frenzy and do ANYTHING to paint him the bad guy.

‘ITS ON MLK HES A RACIST’

well MLK’s neice is going to be there…

‘ITS POLITICAL’

uh…no, politics isnt on the agenda…

‘THEYRE EXTREMISTS’

no signs please…

He is effectively, IMHO, making a situation, where he is within his rights and righteous about what he’s doing, and all these blatant attempts to smut him up arie just making people realize, ‘wait a minute, what is this BS media talking about?? They’re b—chin about nothin’

Thats my opinion, though. A non- political, non- racist, student, single mom, average american. Thats what I see.

 

[KevinAK]

Oh thats so nice. I love the King family. That speaks volumes in itself.

Especially since part of the spin on the rally is that it is blatantly disrespectful and racist to hold the event on MLK day! Check the article…

8/28 is the anniversary of the “I Have A Dream” speech. MLK day is in January.

I don’t think it is disrepectful or racist to hold a legitimately conservative rally on this day. Too bad there won’t be one. Beck and Palin are only using the conservative movement to advance there own careers. Just like John McCain.

 

[estesbob]

Your perception of the political spectrum is misaligned. There is no one to the right ot Keyes or Bachman. If Keyes isn’t fringe, then no one is - which I think is your position.

I’m not going to continue to beat a dead horse.

There have always been several approaches to politics in the Republican party. One persistent divide was illustrated with William Buckley distanced his movement from the Birchers. The Bircher strand is always there, just as the socialist and hippie strands are always in the Democratic party. They just don’t represent the center.

Beck inherits the most paranoid aspects of the Bircher tradition. People like McCain carry on the Buckley tradition. Bush, someone here called centre-right, and I don’t disagree with that. Obama is center left.

My takeaway from this thread is that many people here think that Bachman and Beck speak for mainstream America and are centrists. They seem to believe Sarah Palin polls well. They probably also think that McCain is a RINO, etc. Regardless of whether Beck or Bachman or anyone else is right on certain issues, or whether it ought to be otherwise, it isn’t really defensible to deny that they are on the edge of the spectrum. And someone as incendiary as Beck is going to draw controversy and protest whatever he does. That’s how he earns his living - riling people up, scaring them, and making them buy into his alternative universe.

could you give us an example of how Sarah Palin is polarizing and on the fringe?

 

[Charlotte408]

BWUAH HAA HA HAHA laughs at self

my bad… you know what I meant tho

 

[iamrefreshed]

If Ground Zero Mosque protesters are racists as claimed by the left then so are those speaking out about Glenn Becks rally!!

Yeah! We’re all racists!

 

[ishii]

could you give us an example of how Sarah Palin is polarizing and on the fringe?

The political spectrum is often a matter of perspective. For example, if one is one the left side of the spectrum, they will brand those who are merely right of center, pro-life, etc. as being “far right fringe”. I happen to know people personally who are on both fringes: right-wing conpiracy types who hate the Republicans more than Democrats and communists who would see Pelosi as a moderate establishment politician. Sarah Palin polarizing? I think she is, but in a good way. She calls it as she sees it - walks the pro-life walk. She proves that we can be either pro-life or not, not “personally opposed,but…” like so many Democrat catholics are. However, I don’t know that she is fringe. I would like some examples of how she is a fringe politician from the poster who called her that.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

They are fringe and polarizing. That is what the words mean.

Calling them fringe and polarizing has little to do with disagreeing with them. Polarizing: they are constantly the source of angry responses. Fringe: there is almost no one to their right. If you disagree, you are invited to find someone furher to the right that incites more anger. Alex Jones was mentioned. If only three or four media figures are to your right, and you make people angry routinely, you are fringe and polarizing.

Again, some examples please, for how Palin is a fringe politician. Also, merely inciting anger might make me polarizing, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. I could walk into an Emily’s List convention and distribute pro-life literature and I’m sure I would be the source of angry responses. Does that make me polarizing? Maybe. But is that a bad thing? Don’t the angry responses say more about the Emily’s List people than they say about me? You seem to use the word polarizing in a derogatory way, but sometimes it merely clarifies what side people are on. I could distribute copies of MLK’s I have a Dream speech at a skinhead rally to racist skinheads and I might incite anger, but that says more about the racism of the skinheads than it does about me.

Ishii