Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[catharina]

And you miss my point, dear sister. I understand that Glenn is NOT teaching us morality. I laugh if you think people are looking to Glenn for a moral compass. Glenn is warning us that all is not what it appears.

I also follow my Bishop and Mother Church, but there are programs wrapped in the pretty package of Social Justice that are not good and pure and holy.
We doo not pass healthcare, carte blanche rights to abortions in the name of healthhcare - an ohhh so pretty and wonderful packaging.

We look under the hood to see what is really being wrapped and packaged for us.
The shinny bows and baubbles carry our country to destruction. There are other ways to the means that the Bishops teach about. And that is what Glenn talks about.

Those are what Glenn warns of. And any person regardless of religion can heed those warnings, no? We should all have ears to hear.

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I was responding to a post from JulieAA.
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[jrabs]

I’m saying that the ‘moral teachings’ of Glenn Beck hold no relevance to me. I can (and do) say the very same about Nancy Pelosi. Your attempt to argue with me based on your false assumptions about me are close to toxic. I have been very active in pro-life work for more than 40 years - always as a Catholic - and I remain so. Please separate the wheat from chaff before accusing me of a false belief.

Who is accusing you of anything? Is this not just a discussion? I am at a lose as to why you feel personally attacked?
No one said anything about your works and you are free to decide who to listen to - but before you lambaste GB, as this thread is doing, it’s probably best to understand what he is saying and meaning.

 

[catharina]

You have every right in the world to listen to whomever you please and if Glenn Beck is not that person, then so be it!

I have NEVER attempted to argue with you or anyone on this site. That is not my nature (thank God), so please do not put a label on me either. I applaud your participation in pro-life work and you should be commended for that work. Again, I NEVER accused you of any false belief and am only giving my opinions which should be respected as well.

Your question to me was: “Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong?” Since my statements implied that in NO WAY, I had to believe you were re-writing (i.e. falsely interpreting) my words.

If you were not, so be it.

 

[jrabs]

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I was responding to a post from JulieAA.
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My comments were to you from post 172.
and I responded with my thoughts on the topic.

 

[JulieAA]

Your question to me was: “Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong?” Since my statements implied that in NO WAY, I had to believe you were re-writing (i.e. falsely interpreting) my words.

If you were not, so be it.

That was a question…not a judgment.

 

[catharina]

And you miss my point, dear sister. I understand that Glenn is NOT teaching us morality. I laugh if you think people are looking to Glenn for a moral compass. Glenn is warning us that all is not what it appears.

I also follow my Bishop and Mother Church, but there are programs wrapped in the pretty package of Social Justice that are not good and pure and holy.
We do not pass healthcare, carte blanche rights to abortions in the name of healthhcare - an ohhh so pretty and wonderful packaging.

We look under the hood to see what is really being wrapped and packaged for us.
The shinny bows and baubbles carry our country to destruction. There are other ways to the means that the Bishops teach about. And that is what Glenn talks about.

Those are what Glenn warns of. And any person regardless of religion can heed those warnings, no? We should all have ears to hear.

Again, I have not “missed” your point.
I never addressed your point(s).
Please stop spinning.

 

[jasoom]

What Jesus and the Catholic Church mean by social justice and what Glenn Beck (on the right) and the progressives (on the left) mena by social justice are 2 different things.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a marvelous treatment of th esubject in CCC # 1928-42, 2425-26, 2832 also related issues of solidarity and justice (distributive) are of great help. Matthew 25:31-45 give Jesus’ idea of what social justice means. Similarly, the Old Testament prophets – especially Amos give a good biblical perspective. the Catholic Churchhas a vast set of papal encyclicals on social Justice in practice beginning with Leo XII’s Rerum Novarum in 1893 and continuing down through Benedict XVi’s Caritatis in Veritate.

Fr. Bruce King, I.C.

 

[jrabs]

Again, I have not “missed” your point.
I never addressed your point(s).
Please stop spinning.

What are you talking about??? What is post 172?

 

[jrabs]

What Jesus and the Catholic Church mean by social justice and what Glenn Beck (on the right) and the progressives (on the left) mena by social justice are 2 different things.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a marvelous treatment of th esubject in CCC # 1928-42, 2425-26, 2832 also related issues of solidarity and justice (distributive) are of great help. Matthew 25:31-45 give Jesus’ idea of what social justice means. Similarly, the Old Testament prophets – especially Amos give a good biblical perspective. the Catholic Churchhas a vast set of papal encyclicals on social Justice in practice beginning with Leo XII’s Rerum Novarum in 1893 and continuing down through Benedict XVi’s Caritatis in Veritate.

Fr. Bruce King, I.C.

Thank you

 

[Biggie]

I am not sure what you mean that social programs make the poor dependent on the state. Could you define and add statistics of how much welfare programs such as food stamps, housing assistance make up of the government spending in means of the GDP? How long are people on welfare on average? Outside of unemployment for the past year and half how many Americans live under the welfare system ( I am not talking about the welfare system for wealth international corporations or the top 2% of the country)

 

[catharina]

That was a question…not a judgment.

Then in answer to your (sincere) question:
“Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong?” …

… my answer is that I have NEVER said (or even thought) such a thing.
Might I ask what impression would lead you to address such a question to me?
Or shall we skip the whole thing?

 

[JulieAA]

Then in answer to your (sincere) question:
“Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong?” …

… my answer is that I have NEVER said (or even thought) such a thing.
Might I ask what impression would lead you to address such a question to me?
Or shall we skip the whole thing?

Catharina,

First of all, I believe this is getting far out of hand here. I apologize (sincerely) if I have offended you. Believe me when I say I was only asking a question of you. I understand that you have never said that moral teachings outside of the Catholic Church is wrong. I was simply asking a statement and I am now asking that you please do not take it out of concept. It was only a question. Maybe that part should be dropped as you have pointed out to me.

 

[catharina]

What are you talking about??? What is post 172?

I do most humbly beg your pardon.
Perhaps my age is splitting my attention.
Perhaps the fact that I’ve been engaged in the fight against abortion for 40+ years.
Perhaps the fact that I can’t imagine Glenn Beck would deserve a word of support on CA.

In any event, I humby apologize.
Yes, I was actually responding to you.

 

[catharina]

What Jesus and the Catholic Church mean by social justice and what Glenn Beck (on the right) and the progressives (on the left) mena by social justice are 2 different things.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a marvelous treatment of th esubject in CCC # 1928-42, 2425-26, 2832 also related issues of solidarity and justice (distributive) are of great help. Matthew 25:31-45 give Jesus’ idea of what social justice means. Similarly, the Old Testament prophets – especially Amos give a good biblical perspective. the Catholic Churchhas a vast set of papal encyclicals on social Justice in practice beginning with Leo XII’s Rerum Novarum in 1893 and continuing down through Benedict XVi’s Caritatis in Veritate.

Fr. Bruce King, I.C.

Bravo, Father, and thank you.

 

[catharina]

Catharina,

First of all, I believe this is getting far out of hand here. I apologize (sincerely) if I have offended you. Believe me when I say I was only asking a question of you. I understand that you have never said that moral teachings outside of the Catholic Church is wrong. I was simply asking a statement and I am now asking that you please do not take it out of concept. It was only a question. Maybe that part should be dropped as you have pointed out to me.

So we shall drop that issue.

 

[jrabs]

I do most humbly beg your pardon.
Perhaps my age is splitting my attention.
Perhaps the fact that I’ve been engaged in the fight against abortion for 40+ years.
Perhaps the fact that I can’t imagine Glenn Beck would deserve a word of support on CA.

In any event, I humby apologize.
Yes, I was actually responding to you.

This is about Glenn Beck and NOT you. This is NOT about an abortion fight per se. Who here hasn’t been fighting the good fight?

I am only responding to the thread because GB is being unfairly maligned by having terminology taken out of context and not defined properly as he is defining it. a very unChristian-like thing which surprises me

 

[catharina]

This is about Glenn Beck and NOT you. This is NOT about an abortion fight per se. Who here hasn’t been fighting the good fight?

I am only responding to the thread because GB is being unfairly maligned by having terminology taken out of context and not defined properly as he is defining it. a very unChristian-like thing which surprises me

I am responding to this thread because I am amazed that anyone who is a faithful Catholic would look to Glenn Beck for guidance or leadership on any issue. That is my OPINION and it does NOT malign Glenn Beck - it only states my opinion, my surprise at the attention given to Glenn Beck.

 

[JulieAA]

This is about Glenn Beck and NOT you. This is NOT about an abortion fight per se. Who here hasn’t been fighting the good fight?

I am only responding to the thread because GB is being unfairly maligned by having terminology taken out of context and not defined properly as he is defining it. a very unChristian-like thing which surprises me

Thank you, Jrabs!

As I said, I have been listening to GB for quite a while now. Never have I found anything “unChristian-like” come out of his mouth. Whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with him is not an issue in itself. He is only seeking the truth and conviction that our founding fathers had initiated.

 

[jrabs]

I am responding to this thread because I am amazed that anyone who is a faithful Catholic would look to Glenn Beck for guidance or leadership on any issue. That is my OPINION and it does NOT malign Glenn Beck - it only states my opinion, my surprise.

hmmm, we are talking about politics right? . He is a radio and talk show host - not a religious leader. He is nothing more than that.

Glenn Beck does not in any way jeopardize or minimize any devout Catholic belief.
He is not a moral compass as I have already stated, yet he can have some sound political opinions and ideas. People of other faiths can certainly have good ideas when it comes to politics, no?

If he has a sound a rational idea on an issue, are we to scoff at it? Who then are we to listen to in matters of legislation? Our government?

Well, we will just have to disagree. I am glad there are people in the world like Glenn Beck pointing out inconsistencies in politics. Some may be a bit more far fetched or titilating for TV ratings, and some may be accurate depending on your political leaning.

But to say that no faithful Catholic should be listening to GB is puzzling.

 

[catharina]

hmmm, we are talking about politics right? . He is a radio and talk show host - not a religious leader. He is nothing more than that.

Glenn Beck does not in any way jeopardize or minimize any devout Catholic belief.
He is not a moral compass as I have already stated, yet he can have some sound political opinions and ideas. People of other faiths can certainly have good ideas when it comes to politics, no?

If he has a sound a rational idea on an issue, are we to scoff at it? Who then are we to listen to in matters of legislation? Our government?

Well, we will just have to disagree. I am glad there are people in the world like Glenn Beck pointing out inconsistencies in politics. Some may be a bit more far fetched or titilating for TV ratings, and some may be accurate depending on your political leaning.

But to say that no faithful Catholic should be listening to GB is puzzling.

Of course I did not say that either. Did I? Nice spin though.

To whom should we listen re matters of legislation?
How about listening to the Church?