Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

I’ve been away for the last few days and I see that the conversation hasn’t changed that much in the interim. I have noticed that many people want to make this a political discussion. That was not my orginal intent. Frankly, I thought that we could all agree that someone, namely Glenn Beck, who told us to run away from a church who preached social justice would ranckle us Catholics. That does not appear to be the case and I am deeply saddened by that fact.

“The great danger for family life, in the midst of any society whose idols are pleasure, comfort and independence, lies in the fact that people close their hearts and become selfish.
Pope John Paul II”

 

[4elise]

“The great danger for family life, in the midst of any society whose idols are pleasure, comfort and independence, lies in the fact that people close their hearts and become selfish.
Pope John Paul II”

An appropriate quote Jeff… have you been recently received into the Church, or is Holy Saturday the big day for you?

 

[catharina]

Question for everyone or anyone. Given what our Bishops said about social justice, and I quote:
Does this mean we should support increasing taxes and the size and scope of our governments until we meet the Bishops’ challenge?

As you must well know, the Bishops spoke strongly against obamacare. It passed anyway. (Too many complacent Catholics who didn’t object to the bill?)

Yes, there will be enormous funds needed. So again, we are to pray to Our Lord regarding our personal responsibilites. Some people might factor out a percentage of their “owed” taxes to indicate unwillingness to support abortion as healthcare. Others might lobby tirelessy for change. You? Pray about it.

 

[Convert66]

I sincerely apologize to all for my over-the-top rhetoric, and definitely need to craft a “friendlier” way to express myself than with sarcasm, hyperbole and satire (many would shorthand that to “vitriol”). I respect everyone’s passions and concerns because I do think that there is an attack upon the Church, in particular, and Christianity in general that is only gaining in intensity. I just happen to think that Glenn Beck’s “jeremaids” are amongst the least of our problems and are compounded with fuzzy-headedness and pollyanna-like distractions that amount to swallowing camels and straining at gnats.:twocents:

Have a very Blessed Holy Week, to one and all!

All my best…

 

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

An appropriate quote Jeff… have you been recently received into the Church, or is Holy Saturday the big day for you?

Thank you… Unfortunately I will not be received yet. The Arch-Bishop cannot come and he refuses to delegate this to our local Priest. It has been almost two years in RCIA, but I have had to transfer and will transfer yet again.

On a positive note, my son will be confirmed in May…

Hopefully next year for me… I wanted to help with RCIA this year, but I will still attend as a student… I really enjoy it.

God Bless

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

I sincerely apologize to all for my over-the-top rhetoric, and definitely need to craft a “friendlier” way to express myself than with sarcasm, hyperbole and satire (many would shorthand that to “vitriol”). I respect everyone’s passions and concerns because I do think that there is an attack upon the Church, in particular, and Christianity in general that is only gaining in intensity. I just happen to think that Glenn Beck’s “jeremaids” I am not acquainted wth this terminology can you expain? are amongst the least of our problems and are compounded with fuzzy-headedness and pollyanna-like distractions that amount to swallowing camels and straining at gnats.:twocents: Once again, what does this mean?

Have a very Blessed Holy Week, to one and all!

All my best…

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

Thank you… Unfortunately I will not be received yet. The Arch-Bishop cannot come and he refuses to delegate this to our local Priest. It has been almost two years in RCIA, but I have had to transfer and will transfer yet again.

On a positive note, my son will be confirmed in May…

Hopefully next year for me… I wanted to help with RCIA this year, but I will still attend as a student… I really enjoy it.

God Bless

God bless you. It sounds like my diocese. Where do you live?

 

[4elise]

Thank you… Unfortunately I will not be received yet. The Arch-Bishop cannot come and he refuses to delegate this to our local Priest. It has been almost two years in RCIA, but I have had to transfer and will transfer yet again.

On a positive note, my son will be confirmed in May…

Hopefully next year for me… I wanted to help with RCIA this year, but I will still attend as a student… I really enjoy it.

God Bless

Thank you Jeff for your service and for your contribution to this thread. I applaud your patience and your desire to be fully welcomed into the Church - congratulations to your son, and to you for living an exemplary life for your family and others. Blessings

 

[Masters_Servant]

I did not check the link provided but can offer my experience - for what it is worth.

Parishes are lined up along a spectrum from liberal(unorthadox) to conservative (orthadox). In the midwest US, where I reside, the churches that are liberal have a general tendency to promote social justice beyond what is normal. They need to “fill the gap” so to speak after rejecting some church teaching.

I started noticing this in my parish (very liberal) about 12 years ago. I visit other parishes in the area every month now to keep perspective.

My parish is very big on social justice. At the same time, I have suffered for years hearing the miracles in the Old Testament and New Testament watered down and ridiculed in the homily. I have heard the current pope seriously denounced, again, in the homily. You do not want to hear what I have experienced at this parish.

Again, this is a parish that is very big on social justice.

Have you seen this pattern?

That is precisely what Glen Beck talked about; go to a different Parrish if the current is so liberal that it is spewing social justice as that of the same type of Jerimiah Wrights black liberation theology.

Context is everything and ignorance is bliss (listen to the audio). Beck is right! Since God owns everything, He has given some more and some much less and everything in between; He never preached social or economic justice. He made comments about the poor and the rich; but He never preached that everyone should have the same. His desire is for people to repent and to enter into His kingdom regardless of economic or social status.

 

[4elise]

I sincerely apologize to all for my over-the-top rhetoric, and definitely need to craft a “friendlier” way to express myself than with sarcasm, hyperbole and satire (many would shorthand that to “vitriol”). I respect everyone’s passions and concerns because I do think that there is an attack upon the Church, in particular, and Christianity in general that is only gaining in intensity. I just happen to think that Glenn Beck’s “jeremaids” are amongst the least of our problems and are compounded with fuzzy-headedness and pollyanna-like distractions that amount to swallowing camels and straining at gnats.:twocents:

Have a very Blessed Holy Week, to one and all!

All my best…

Thank you for this… sometimes it is really difficult to recognize our own tone when we feel so strongly about something… but if we can pull it back to have civilized discussions there is hope! Certainly Beck isn’t the biggest problem facing us today - but the OP IMHO is right in pointing out that his version of ‘entertainment’ also hurts us, divides us, and celebrates the worst instincts of ‘I’ve got mine so too bad about everyone else’

Hopefully we people of faith can use this special time to reflect on how our words, our actions can better reflect Charity in Truth!

 

[Masters_Servant]

Believe it or not, Glenn Beck was raised Catholic. He said in an interview on CBS that when he met his wife to be, who was “a hot woman and a Mormon” he converted to Mormonism in order to marry her.

That sounds like he didn’t know his faith, and still doesn’t know anything about the Catholic faith OR the Mormon faith. It had nothing to do with faith, it had to do with being attracted to this beautiful woman.

He also said he had been an alcoholic, which may explain why he is so brain damaged that he appears to be psychotic most of the time. Describing him as psychotic is too generous. The man is a sociopath with no conscience and no moral grounding.

He also admitted that he makes a ton of money doing his show and doesn’t care that people take his nonsense seriously. He openly laughed at his viewers/followers.

It is a sin is it not to call someone all those different names listed above without knowing the story, much less the person? Is there any compassion in that post; especially on the alcoholic aspect? If you do not feel any shame, then perhaps there is a problem.

 

[Convert66]

Via,

A jermaid is usually a written critique of social conditions, leading ultimately to dire warnings about what will come if the message is not heeded in time. It’s root is in Jeremiah’s prophetic ministry, hence the similarity in spelling.

As for the last, it is just another way of saying that Glenn Beck amounts to a gnat in the scheme of things and there are bigger “camels” out there that seek to trash the Faith.

 

[Convert66]

Thank you for this… sometimes it is really difficult to recognize our own tone when we feel so strongly about something… but if we can pull it back to have civilized discussions there is hope! Certainly Beck isn’t the biggest problem facing us today - but the OP IMHO is right in pointing out that his version of ‘entertainment’ also hurts us, divides us, and celebrates the worst instincts of ‘I’ve got mine so too bad about everyone else’

Hopefully we people of faith can use this special time to reflect on how our words, our actions can better reflect Charity in Truth!

I agree 100%. God bless.

 

[pnewton]

Question for everyone or anyone. Given what our Bishops said about social justice, and I quote:
Does this mean we should support increasing taxes and the size and scope of our governments until we meet the Bishops’ challenge?

Absolutely not, although a Catholic can take that approach. One can also see the federal government as the most inefficient and immoral use of money to help the poor. As Catholics, there really is a very broad political spectrum that one can fall into on issues of economic justice.

Good question, BTW.

 

[RWMorris]

As you must well know, the Bishops spoke strongly against obamacare. It passed anyway. (Too many complacent Catholics who didn’t object to the bill?)

Yes, there will be enormous funds needed. So again, we are to pray to Our Lord regarding our personal responsibilites. Some people might factor out a percentage of their “owed” taxes to indicate unwillingness to support abortion as healthcare. Others might lobby tirelessy for change. You? Pray about it.

Actually, over 50% of Americans were against the bill. Coerced charity is immoral; it is nothing but theft. It violates the very foundations of Judeo-Christian morality. Devout Christians must stand against such thievery, even when it is supported by good intentions and well meaning Bishops.

 

[pnewton]

Coerced charity is immoral; it is nothing but theft…

Therein is the rub for me. The Church also acknowledges the right to public ownership. If the way of funding is perceived by one such as I as immoral, even for a good cause it is not allowable. Catholic moral theology does not allow for Robin Hood.

 

[akmiecik]

I gotta agree with Glenn

Jesus did not preach “social justice”, He preach to love thy neighbor?

In this mornings meditation I came across “The Jews had a plan: a messiah who would throw off the bonds of Rome”

Didn’t Jesus do that? Focus on what is not of this world.

Isn’t this week all about letting go of the false happiness of this world and the unjustice that goes along with it and subjecting oneself to the will of the Father.

To me “social justice” implies getting the government to do the work we should be doing, in that, loving the sinners brings the the proper “justice”

(similarly, not the governments job to provide health care. Jesus also preached we should take care of the sick, not get the government to do it).

 

[RWMorris]

Absolutely not, although a Catholic can take that approach. One can also see the federal government as the most inefficient and immoral use of money to help the poor. As Catholics, there really is a very broad political spectrum that one can fall into on issues of economic justice.

Good question, BTW.

Thank you for the compliment. In my previous post I made a statement about coerced charity. It was rather strong, but do you believe it is true? If it is true, then how can any Christian support such an approach?

 

[hoosiermeg]

Glenn Beck is an entertainer, and if people make decisions based on his opinions they are as moronic as those who follow Sean Penn or George Clooney. Regarding the preaching of social justice…I had the opportunity to teach the social justice segment to the RCIA class in my parish. What is interesting to me is the tendency for people to politicize this philosophy. In my experience, people like to toss around words like “fairness” and “greed” and “rich” and “poor” - it all comes down to money. If you read the Catechism, and if you do your research, you will understand that what the Church teaches is personal responsibility.

 

[catharina]

Actually, over 50% of Americans were against the bill. Coerced charity is immoral; it is nothing but theft. It violates the very foundations of Judeo-Christian morality. Devout Christians must stand against such thievery, even when it is supported by good intentions and well meaning Bishops.

Those “over 50%” did not do enough to prevent the passage.

“Coerced charity” is what Rome did to the Jewish people (and all the world) with heavy taxes. Of course people wished for the fall of Rome! As I said, we are called to pray and act. Some people withhold some taxes. It’s been done. It can be done.

Your complaint that govt theivery had support of the Bishops?
Not to my knowledge. Your know the stand of the Bishops too.
Shameful that not enough Catholics listened and obeyed by opposing the govt.