Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[catharina]

Glenn Beck is correct…I know so. Do the research Monica said to do and if someone refuses to do that…maybe they know she is right.

Now that’s quite an assumption.

Those Catholics who choose to support glennbeck have nothing to teach me.
That what I KNOW.

 

[catharina]

As an old listener to Beck (pre-TV show) I do tend to think that Glenn is trying to point out the false “social justice”, but catherina is nonetheless justified in asking for sources.

I do encourage people to post links to evidence that supports their claims or disagrees with their opponents, or at least to provide some information on where we might find this evidence.

Precisely.
This site is called Catholic Answers.
It is not called My Catholic Opinion.

 

[presidentjlh]

As for glennbeck, I have no reason to believe that I will “learn” anything good from some one who abandoned his faith. in such a public way. He rebukes Catholicism.

Maybe, but did he truly rebuke Catholicism? What if he was never truly Catholic to begin with?

Now, I have most of Glenn’s books, and he states that while he was a Catholic by birth, he never really participated in the religion as a child. By that standard, he never really knew the teachings, and as such, did not understand the fullness of the Church.

Therefore, while we must always hope that he comes back to the Church, I don’t think we can say he is not to be acknowleged because he left the Church. In all reality, he never really was a practicing Catholic like, say, you or I.

I fully believe that Glenn Beck is trying to find God, and while he may be a little misguided, I do believe that this is not out of a direct dislike for Catholic teaching. It’s a lack of understanding.

 

[presidentjlh]

Now that’s quite an assumption.

Those Catholics who choose to support glennbeck have nothing to teach me.
That what I KNOW.

But is that truly what is right to believe?

We can learn much from non-Catholics as well as from Catholics. There have been many non-Catholics who have still been very important to the Faith.

 

[jewells17]

But is that truly what is right to believe?

We can learn much from non-Catholics as well as from Catholics. There have been many non-Catholics who have still been very important to the Faith.

I hear you…and it is humility of soul to know this.

 

[Monica02]

**I have no intention of “digging” and I’ve known of the Acorn scam for a good while.

I expect YOU to provide links to reputable sources to support your accusations.
I’ve done you a BIG favor by giving one example.
Now YOU do the rest.

Name your sources and provide the links.**

I am not skilled enough in computer stuff to link you to all these groups - that is one reason I asked you to do the research. I gave you the names. The CCHD is an official so-called, anti-poverty program ran by the bishops. The Chicago site should yield the annual reports. Access has removed their direct quote of their abortion support( the phrase family planning remains), but I do have a print-out from a few years ago in hard copy. I also have a hard copy of the Brighton Park Neighborhood Council’s LBGT support group.

Catharina — these groups (Alinskyish) number in the hundreds, if not thousands, and are funded to different degrees by the CCHD and Parsih dues. They exist in every diocese and ,save a few brave Bishops, are supported by the Church.

 

[catharina]

Maybe, but did he truly rebuke Catholicism? What if he was never truly Catholic to begin with?

Now, I have most of Glenn’s books, and he states that while he was a Catholic by birth, he never really participated in the religion as a child. No one is Catholic by birth so maybe you mean he receive the Sacrament of Baptism in his childhood. By that standard, he never really knew the teachings, and as such, did not understand the fullness of the Church.

Therefore, while we must always hope that he comes back to the Church, I don’t think we can say he is not to be acknowleged because he left the Church. I am saying clearly (and often) that I, myself, the individual me, have nothing to learn from glennbeck. That is my belief. **When one leaves the Faith and states it’s because he’ll become mormon since he wants to marry “a hot mormon woman” there’s very little about him or his changeable faith-views to impress me. That’s ME. ** In all reality, he never really was a practicing Catholic like, say, you or I. Then why did he bother to ‘leave the Church’ in a public way?

I fully believe that Glenn Beck is trying to find God, and while he may be a little misguided, I do believe that this is not out of a direct dislike for Catholic teaching. It’s a lack of understanding.

**
Do you think that finding God usually includes mocking the faith of others? I don’t. **

 

[catharina]

…
We can learn much from non-Catholics as well as from Catholics. There have been many non-Catholics who have still been very important to the Faith.

I completely agree - and I’ll include others, like the Jewish faithful too.

Yet I am certain that I have NOTHING to learn from any fallen-away, Church-rejecting man.
If you don’t know that such are in a another category for me, maybe you’ll read about it.

As monica says, google it.

 

[catharina]

…
Catharina — these groups (Alinskyish) number in the hundreds, if not thousands, and are funded to different degrees by the CCHD and Parsih dues. They exist in every diocese and ,save a few brave Bishops, are supported by the Church.

You are making a statement that is insupportable in every sense.
One cannot “declare” without supporting documentaion.

I was a member of a parish in Chicago for more than 40 yrs.
All extra moneys went to our “sister parish,” a very poor one indeed.
I can’t imagine what you’re claiming is a “fact.”

 

[presidentjlh]

**
Do you think that finding God usually includes mocking the faith of others? I don’t. **

I have never heard him mocking Catholics.

Oh, and he likes to joke about his conversion to Mormonism being because of his “hot Mormon wife”. He did do it out of wanting to be with her, but he says he took a lot of time trying to find one, and while I don’t know if Mormonism was a right choice, I think he did a lot of soul-searching about it.

Additionally, you forget that there was actually a period of time between his “Catholic” faith and his conversion to Mormonism in which I don’t think he really believed in God. If anything, while it’s regretable that he turned from the Church, at least he took a step in the right direction by saying God exists again.

We do not know his true intent in becoming Mormon. Also, we do not know how his experiences when he was Catholic affected him (You do know his mother committed suicide at the age of 13, and not long after that point, he became addicted to alcohol and drugs.)

He did wrong, yes, but we cannot judge him to be a bad person. If his suggestions on ending funding to groups that go against Catholic teachings improve the Church, why is that a bad thing that we shouldn’t listen to? Just because he was once a somewhat-Catholic that converted to Mormonism?

We should pray that he and his family enter back into the Church, no doubt. But we should not disregard his words just because he is not Catholic, nor should we think less of him.

We are all sinners. Let us pray that Glenn comes back to the Faith, but if his words heal the Faith, then they should be heeded.

 

[presidentjlh]

I completely agree - and I’ll include others, like the Jewish faithful too.

Yet I am certain that I have NOTHING to learn from any fallen-away, Church-rejecting man.
If you don’t know that such are in a another category for me, maybe you’ll read about it.

As monica says, google it.

So you are saying we had nothing to learn from Martin Luther? While, yes, he was deeply wrong in breaking away from the Church, did not his points about reforming the Church make sense? The Church was filled with abuses at the time.

Now, Catharina, I must go and study for my meteorology exam that takes place tomorrow (please ask St. Thomas Aquinas to pray for me, as he is the patron saint of scholars and the saint I chose for Confirmation.)

I understand what you have to say, but, we must remember we can learn from even that which we think nothing can be learned from.

 

[jewells17]

I have never heard him mocking Catholics.

Oh, and he likes to joke about his conversion to Mormonism being because of his “hot Mormon wife”. He did do it out of wanting to be with her, but he says he took a lot of time trying to find one, and while I don’t know if Mormonism was a right choice, I think he did a lot of soul-searching about it.

Additionally, you forget that there was actually a period of time between his “Catholic” faith and his conversion to Mormonism in which I don’t think he really believed in God. If anything, while it’s regretable that he turned from the Church, at least he took a step in the right direction by saying God exists again.

We do not know his true intent in becoming Mormon. Also, we do not know how his experiences when he was Catholic affected him (You do know his mother committed suicide at the age of 13, and not long after that point, he became addicted to alcohol and drugs.)

He did wrong, yes, but we cannot judge him to be a bad person. If his suggestions on ending funding to groups that go against Catholic teachings improve the Church, why is that a bad thing that we shouldn’t listen to? Just because he was once a somewhat-Catholic that converted to Mormonism?

We should pray that he and his family enter back into the Church, no doubt. But we should not disregard his words just because he is not Catholic, nor should we think less of him.

We are all sinners. Let us pray that Glenn comes back to the Faith, but if his words heal the Faith, then they should be heeded.

But who are you to judge him? Let the one free from error shine light on the wrong doings of others. We will pray for him…he is a very good man.

 

[4elise]

I must go and study for my meteorology exam that takes place tomorrow (please ask St. Thomas Aquinas to pray for me, as he is the patron saint of scholars and the saint I chose for Confirmation.)

Will say a prayer for success in studies!
Blessings…

 

[presidentjlh]

But who are you to judge him? Let the one free from error shine light on the wrong doings of others. We will pray for him…he is a very good man.

Just before I take off (assuming your words are addressed to me) he admitted these things in his book, and said they were wrongs that he committed. I am merely pointing out that the man, like all of us, struggles.

 

[catharina]

I have never heard him mocking Catholics.

Oh, and he likes to joke about his conversion to Mormonism being because of his “hot Mormon wife”. He did do it out of wanting to be with her, but he says he took a lot of time trying to find one, and while I don’t know if Mormonism was a right choice, I think he did a lot of soul-searching about it.

Additionally, you forget that there was actually a period of time between his “Catholic” faith and his conversion to Mormonism in which I don’t think he really believed in God. If anything, while it’s regretable that he turned from the Church, at least he took a step in the right direction by saying God exists again.

We do not know his true intent in becoming Mormon. Also, we do not know how his experiences when he was Catholic affected him (You do know his mother committed suicide at the age of 13, and not long after that point, he became addicted to alcohol and drugs.)

He did wrong, yes, but we cannot judge him to be a bad person. If his suggestions on ending funding to groups that go against Catholic teachings improve the Church, why is that a bad thing that we shouldn’t listen to? Just because he was once a somewhat-Catholic that converted to Mormonism?

We should pray that he and his family enter back into the Church, no doubt. But we should not disregard his words just because he is not Catholic, nor should we think less of him.

We are all sinners. Let us pray that Glenn comes back to the Faith, but if his words heal the Faith, then they should be heeded.

I am not trying to convince anyone to abandon glennbeck. I am saying he has nothing to teach me.

LDS is about as far from Christian faith as one can move. Yes he had difficult losses. So do many people. Yet others do not go public about such things as “leaving the Catholic Church” and “finding a hot mormon wife” and attempting to TEACH those within the Catholic Church.

If the Church ever told me to pay attention to him, I would do so. It’s not likely that will ever happen. Perhaps I know far more than some about mormon habits, customs, faith and anti-Catholic attitudes. Yes, we can pray for his return to the Faith; until then, he is bowing down to a very great lie. That is the basis of his beliefs. He cannot teach me.

 

[Monica02]

You are making a statement that is insupportable in every sense.
One cannot “declare” without supporting documentaion.

I was a member of a parish in Chicago for more than 40 yrs.
All extra moneys went to our “sister parish,” a very poor one indeed.
I can’t imagine what you’re claiming is a “fact.”

I am not speaking of the sharing parish program. This is something different. It is very possible that your parish was not a member of one of these Alinskyish community groups. However, most parishes (except a few) take up a collection for CCHD (weekend before Thanksgiving). The CCHD is presented as a program to eliminate the root causes of poverty. It was started in the early 70’s. If you knew about the Acorn scam than you should be familiar with CCHD. Acorn was funded through it.

 

[4elise]

But who are you to judge him? Let the one free from error shine light on the wrong doings of others. We will pray for him…he is a very good man.

jewells - to disagree with what Beck has said in his very public forum is of course our right… some of us have taken his comments as comments against the real Social Justice teaching of the Catholic Church and I fear some impressionable individuals will just take his word for it and not look any further into this - because they may not have a good foundation in what the Church really teaches.
God Bless,

 

[catharina]

I am not speaking of the sharing parish program. This is something different. It is very possible that your parish was not a member of one of these Alinskyish community groups. However, most parishes (except a few) take up a collection for CCHD (weekend before Thanksgiving). The CCHD is presented as a program to eliminate the root causes of poverty. It was started in the early 70’s. If you knew about the Acorn scam than you should be familiar with CCHD. Acorn was funded through it.

**Yoohoo? As I said in Post 829.

Maybe, read the article I posted??? **

 

[jewells17]

Just before I take off (assuming your words are addressed to me) he admitted these things in his book, and said they were wrongs that he committed. I am merely pointing out that the man, like all of us, struggles.

Thanks and you are such a good soul. Good luck and God bless and keep posting cause you are a stable influence and not a fake Catholic.

 

[catharina]

So you are saying we had nothing to learn from Martin Luther? While, yes, he was deeply wrong in breaking away from the Church, did not his points about reforming the Church make sense? The Church was filled with abuses at the time.

Now, Catharina, I must go and study for my meteorology exam that takes place tomorrow (please ask St. Thomas Aquinas to pray for me, as he is the patron saint of scholars and the saint I chose for Confirmation.)

I understand what you have to say, but, we must remember we can learn from even that which we think nothing can be learned from.

Best wishes with the meteorology exam.

As for Martin Luther, I have nothing to learn from him.
One cannot “reform” the Church from outside, by opposing it.
oppostion is opposition - not reform.

I have learned some good things from some Lutherans:
devotion to Scripture, the need to guard one’s faith, etc…

Truly, I have nothing to learn from those who make an enemy of the Church.