Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[Katrina5]

The man is a paid wind bag, why give him your precious time,:shrug:Carla

Oh, I love it when someone sums it all up like this.
I agree 100%, but the problem is that his viewers/followers take him seriously and the man is dangerous.

 

[Katrina5]

I was just asking where the proof is. I mean you can’t put out any theological argument without having a link for support. Why would anybody just blindly accept talking bad about a person without proof? I wanted to make sure she had proof for her allegations and I asked twice.
I have heard that he was an alcoholic but I hadn’t heard that his wife was Mormon. As far as I know they were together (though not married) before joining the Mormon Church together and it was Glen’s oldest daughter who enjoyed it so much there, that she asked to go back there when they were looking around for a church to go to. Well they had gone looking for a church because of Glenn’s girlfriend: “She wouldn’t marry me unless we found a religion,” Glenn recalls. (If you don’t want to read it all skip to the heading “The Beck Family Church Tour”.)
Here is a second source for confirmation.
That is one of the reasons why I asked for proof. Not everything written here was true.

Found a little bit more… Well Glen said this about when he married his wife… “I apologize, but guys will understand this. My wife is, like, hot, and she wouldn’t have sex with me until we got married. And she wouldn’t marry me unless we had a religion.” (Source… apologies for the page I found it on…)
She wasn’t insisting on him becoming a Mormon in order to marry her. She insisted on them sharing a religion before she would agree to marry him.

These are the same interviews I have seen and heard. He is very misguided, and while it sounds upright and moral to join a church in order to “have sex” with a hot babe, do you really think that was a well thought out reason to join a church and get married?

He was raised Catholic, but of course a lot of people are raised Catholic and it means absolutely nothing when it comes to finding a “hot babe” because you just jump ship and do whatever it takes.

And this man is someone who people look up to? Who follow around like sheep? Who drop everything to watch his show?

Sorry, but I think that is dead wrong. What are his credentials to elevate himself to this status? Trust me, his show won’t be around forever, his church is a false religion started by a schizophrenic in 1830.

I don’t mean to offend schizophrenics, sociopaths, or even psychopaths by using mental health jargon, by the way.

But why would anyone leave the Church (active or ‘fallen away’) founded by Christ to join a church started by a schizophrenic in 1830? Oh, that’s right. So he could “have sex with a hot babe.” Good reason!
The same reason that Joseph Smith started the Mormon church-- so he could have multiple wives.

 

[Katrina5]

A concise history of the practice of Social Justice in the Catholic Church:

huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/glenn-beck-to-catholics-l_b_490669.html

This is good…thank you so much. The comments are interesting, too.

 

[Tigg]

My point in posting this link is that many people in this country take his verbiage as as gospel (no pun intended). Aren’t we, as Catholics, dedicated to social justice? I know that it is taught in Catholic high schools and colleges and I ,myself, teach it in Catholic grade school. Isn’t this what we are all about?

I guess the numerous threads on this forum that try to educate regarding the scam of what passes for “social justice” these days are still being ignored.

I am not a huge Beck fan, and of course, will never leave my church, but he is “spot” on regarding the social justice movement and the terrible misnomers being done under its banner. You only need to go to their own webpages to get a picture of the **political, NOT social **agenda of many organizations even the bishops have embraced. Everything from support for abortions, same sex marriage, certain elements of the green movement and care of the “Sacred Earth Community,” and sustainability as defined by the U. N. Population Fund are ALL opposed to authentic Catholic Church teaching. Their definition of SJ is NOT compatible with past social encyclicals, but a support of Lib Theology and Marxism. In helping the “poor”, they would sacrifice individual freedom and initiative in the pursuit of equality and control by the State.

We have to keep in mind that Liberals, Socialist and Progressives are not meant to raise everyone up in a society, it is meant to tear everyone down to the same and equal levels of misery and failures.

forlifeandfamily.blogspot.com/2010/02/deceits-of-social-justice.html

 

[Katrina5]

I guess the numerous threads on this forum that try to educate regarding the scam of what passes for “social justice” these days are still being ignored.

I am not a huge Beck fan, and of course, will never leave my church, but he is “spot” on regarding the social justice movement and the terrible misnomers being done under its banner. You only need to go to their own webpages to get a picture of the **political, NOT social **agenda of many organizations even the bishops have embraced. Everything from support for abortions, same sex marriage, certain elements of the green movement and care of the “Sacred Earth Community,” and sustainability as defined by the U. N. Population Fund are ALL opposed to authentic Catholic Church teaching. Their definition of SJ is NOT compatible with past social encyclicals, but a support of Lib Theology and Marxism. In helping the “poor”, they would sacrifice individual freedom and initiative in the pursuit of equality and control by the State.

This country was founded with the principle of freedom of religion, and separation of Church and State, which is good because otherwise we would all be Protestants since the founding fathers were all Protestants.

But now we have a problem wherein we need to separate corporations from the State. We have evolved into a country that is run by corporations and insurance companies.
We vilify government and want a free market, but when that market BUYS politicians we lose!
If you are against ‘big government’ and for ‘big corporations’, I have one question: Why?

“I’ve got mine” is not what Jesus intended. Because “I’ve got mine” is not loving, caring, or based on the gospel.

Maybe you are the head of a big corporation and have something to protect. Do you really want to go before God and say, “I cared about myself and lots of people suffered because of me”?
“Whatever you do for the least of these, you do to me.” is what Jesus said, and will be held accountable.

 

[steveandersen]

I did not check the link provided but can offer my experience - for what it is worth.

Parishes are lined up along a spectrum from liberal(unorthadox) to conservative (orthadox). In the midwest US, where I reside, the churches that are liberal have a general tendency to promote social justice beyond what is normal. They need to “fill the gap” so to speak after rejecting some church teaching.

I started noticing this in my parish (very liberal) about 12 years ago. I visit other parishes in the area every month now to keep perspective.

My parish is very big on social justice. At the same time, I have suffered for years hearing the miracles in the Old Testament and New Testament watered down and ridiculed in the homily. I have heard the current pope seriously denounced, again, in the homily. You do not want to hear what I have experienced at this parish.

Again, this is a parish that is very big on social justice.

Have you seen this pattern?

No
my Parish is big on social justice and charity and giving back

I haven’t seen any watering down of doctrine or denunciation of the Pope

I not sure why you think there is a link

as for Mr Beck, he is an entertainer. He was raised a Catholic but sadly left us for the LDS.

while he has been a successful media personality, he has no expertise in theology that I know of

 

[Janet1983]

These are the same interviews I have seen and heard. He is very misguided, and while it sounds upright and moral to join a church in order to “have sex” with a hot babe, do you really think that was a well thought out reason to join a church and get married?

He was raised Catholic, but of course a lot of people are raised Catholic and it means absolutely nothing when it comes to finding a “hot babe” because you just jump ship and do whatever it takes.

He is still married by the way… And he still thinks about his wife the same way (otherwise he wouldn’t proclaim it like that).
He is just being honest and that does not make him a sociopath or a psychopath… That makes him a man who speaks his mind. That’s not always politically correct and might not always be the wisest thing to do either and it might provoke people to think for themselves, but I’d consider this raw honesty if you ask me.
I’m not following the guy. I haven’t even finished his book, even though I got it. I agree with him on a lot of things and I think that some things are a little bit iffy. In the end however I can judge him as little as you can.
He might be unorthodox, provocative, politically incorrect, outspoken and excitable, but calling him a sociopath without showing any proof for such harsh accusations is simply unjust.
If he thinks that today’s social justice is raising a generation of people that are 100% dependent on the government and don’t know how to sustain themselves and if he wants to go back to “you don’t work, you don’t eat” then that is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
At least it’s biblical and I give him that.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Edit: The LDS church has their own social programs. Do you really think he is telling people to leave the Catholic Church? He is against the government playing nanny for us but for private charity and churches are essentially private. There is a difference between a church going to the government protesting that the needy need more and a church going ahead and starting soup kitchens for the needy and try to help them find a job and sustain themselves.

 

[Aboveallbereal]

Many parishes preach social justice because they are aware that it is the part of the Gospel which is essentially compatible with the assumptions of soi disant progressive secular humanism and as such is acceptable to the dominant culture in Western Europe nad North America.

The rest: The fasting, the sexual morality, the personal charity, the belief in God is incompatible with humanism and thus essentially counter cultural. It is hard to be counter cultural.

 

[andyandely1997]

A concise history of the practice of Social Justice in the Catholic Church:

huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/glenn-beck-to-catholics-l_b_490669.html

And you are worried about Glenn Beck being to the right. I can guess you are to the left with your link to the Huffington Post, which is far left.

Social justice is not the responsibility of the governement. It is our responsibility. We are called to spread the gospel of Christ. There is no Christ with government social justice. All this government social justice might make people feel good, but in the long run, it is not helping people get to heaven, which should be our ultimate goal. Christian charity comes from an act of the will along with the message of Christ. There is no act of our individual will with government charity(we are required to pay taxes, it is not voluntary) along with no saving message of Christ, which people desparately need these days.

 

[seekerz]

Funny how terms can be manipulated when what is really important is their meaning.

True social justice isn’t code word for anything other than our God-given obligation to help the less fortunate among us. Just because some have gone off on a tangent into social engineering exploits (that often exclude God) doesn’t make that obligation any less important or render our striving to fulfill it any less genuine.

Lots of man-made pseudo-images of God-given principles exist, to fool those who allow themselves to be fooled. That does not negative the original principles in the least.

Just because socialism/communism may have used the term ‘social’ and had some superficial resemblance to genuine efforts to help the poor and disadvantaged, does not in any way negative the fact that social justice was central to the teachings of Jesus and remains an important part of living our faith.

Making ‘social’ a bad word will not relieve any uncomfortable consciences of the need to stand before God one day and explain why the poor, sick or imprisoned were ignored by them.

 

[Katrina5]

Funny how terms can be manipulated when what is really important is their meaning.

True social justice isn’t code word for anything other than our God-given obligation to help the less fortunate among us. Just because some have gone off on a tangent into social engineering exploits (that often exclude God) doesn’t make that obligation any less important or render our striving to fulfill it any less genuine.

Lots of man-made pseudo-images of God-given principles exist, to fool those who allow themselves to be fooled. That does not negative the original principles in the least.

Just because socialism/communism may have used the term ‘social’ and had some superficial resemblance to genuine efforts to help the poor and disadvantaged, does not in any way negative the fact that social justice was central to the teachings of Jesus and remains an important part of living our faith.

Making ‘social’ a bad word will not relieve any uncomfortable consciences of the need to stand before God one day and explain why the poor, sick or imprisoned were ignored by them.

I never said social was a bad word, but Glenn Beck has made it into one. Love your neighbor-- that’s social.
No workee, no eatee or whatever the expression is, is not social. People who can work should and do. Helping people who are disabled or otherwise unable to work or find employment is NOT socialism.
People who worked all their lives and are now retired (ME!) receive social security-- what can I say but, It can happen to you! I paid FICA, I pay taxes.

Some gasbag on Fox who is trying to do ‘social engineering’ is just as bad as anyone else who tries to do ‘social engineering’.
I ask you again-- WHAT qualifies Glenn Beck to stand in front of a blackboard and lecture, or to write books about any of this?
PS Doesn’t no workee no eatee come from the 1830’s America when we had Chinese laborers building the Railroads? I think that phrase is cruel and judgmental.

 

[Anzlyne]

here is a link to an article I think is helpful

http://www.medaille.com/distributivism.htm

 

[seekerz]

I never said social was a bad word, but Glenn Beck has made it into one. Love your neighbor-- that’s social.
No workee, no eatee or whatever the expression is, is not social. People who can work should and do. Helping people who are disabled or otherwise unable to work or find employment is NOT socialism.
People who worked all their lives and are now retired (ME!) receive social security-- what can I say but, It can happen to you! I paid FICA, I pay taxes.

Some gasbag on Fox who is trying to do ‘social engineering’ is just as bad as anyone else who tries to do ‘social engineering’.
I ask you again-- WHAT qualifies Glenn Beck to stand in front of a blackboard and lecture, or to write books about any of this?
PS Doesn’t no workee no eatee come from the 1830’s America when we had Chinese laborers building the Railroads? I think that phrase is cruel and judgmental.

Hey don’t shoot the messenger! Methinks we’re on the same page here. I was simply generalizing because Glenn seems to have lots of company in his way of thinking. Just browsing through the health care threads here might show you that…

 

[Biggie]

Beck’s point is in my opinion a legitimate point.

His preface is that both Nazis and Communists are Progressives, a point made by Jonah Goldberg in his book Liberal Fascism, essentially the same in relation to the power given the state. He is also saying that Socialist and specifically Communist governments base themselves on the premise of social justice. He found these rights, for example, enumerated in the Soviet Communist constitution:

rights to work, rest and leisure, health protection, care in old age and sickness, housing, education, and cultural benefits

Some call the demand for such “rights” social justice and claim a mandate for the state to seize power based on this brand of “justice”. He is not advocating people be uncharitable, but challenging that such concepts are not consistent with the intentions of America’s founding documents.

 

[seekerz]

Some call the demand for such “rights” social justice and claim a mandate for the state to seize power based on this brand of “justice”. He is not advocating people be uncharitable, but challenging that such concepts are not consistent with the intentions of America’s founding documents.

That “some” misuse the term ‘social justice’ is not a reason to cast aspersions on the concept of social justice itself.

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

I guess the numerous threads on this forum that try to educate regarding the scam of what passes for “social justice” these days are still being ignored.

I am not a huge Beck fan, and of course, will never leave my church, but he is “spot” on regarding the social justice movement and the terrible misnomers being done under its banner. You only need to go to their own webpages to get a picture of the **political, NOT social **agenda of many organizations even the bishops have embraced. Everything from support for abortions, same sex marriage, certain elements of the green movement and care of the “Sacred Earth Community,” and sustainability as defined by the U. N. Population Fund are ALL opposed to authentic Catholic Church teaching. Their definition of SJ is NOT compatible with past social encyclicals, but a support of Lib Theology and Marxism. In helping the “poor”, they would sacrifice individual freedom and initiative in the pursuit of equality and control by the State.

Could you supply some of these links. I’d be interested in the information

 

[JW10631]

I think Beck has a point.

As for “deranged”, I think that is an adjective that best describes Barack Obama supporters and those who get their news from The Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, MSNBC etc.

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

I think Beck has a point.

As for “deranged”, I think that is an adjective that best describes Barack Obama supporters and those who get their news from The Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, MSNBC etc.

Where do you get your news?

 

[Convert66]

1. To call Beck “dangerous”, or a “psychopath” or a “sociopath” (uhm…no. They are not the same thing at all, by the way) shows a very shallow understanding of danger, sociopathy, and psychopathy. The guy gets paid for his opinions, which, contrary to popular myth, nicely sums up the entire history of the American press. If Beck is a danger because of his opinion show, then so is/was Larry King, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Maher, Mother Angelica, Fr. Rutler, Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow, etc.
2. It was St. Paul who said, “those who do not work, should not eat”.
3. Jesus commands us, personally, to care for the poor. He never mentions establishing (and funding by confiscatory tax policies) a committee to study the problem; write tax proposals and implement a Keynesian redistributive system in order to stave off economic and social “inequalities” and “injustices”.
4. To claim a moral imperative for the welfare state because it is allegedly rooted in Jesus’ social teachings is as blatant a violation of Church/State separation as using His teachings on divorce to repeal no-fault divorce laws.

All my best…

 

[rskempf]

I think Beck has a point.

As for “deranged”, I think that is an adjective that best describes Barack Obama supporters and those who get their news from The Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, MSNBC etc.

I partly agree. It appears we have so much information available that sources reliably truthful are hard to find. I like this site, EWTN.com, NewAdvent.org, and IgnatiousPress to name a few.

I am also surprised with the lack of awareness that the Social Justice movment is linked to rebellion in the Church. In short, heresy.

Oh well. We have to keep trying and pray a little more.