Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[djeter]

Glenn Beck is trying to scare people with the word “social”. He has no idea what social justice is.

Read Matthew 25 for more about social justice, i.e. corporal works of mercy. See what Jesus has to say about people who don’t do these acts.

I just wrote that Glenn Beck is a sociopath, but there is another word for a sociopath that doesn’t have the root word “socio-” in it, but means the same thing: Psychopath.

That is a person with no conscience who uses people to gain money, fame and power.

He has confused communism and socialism and, with his blackboard, has mutilated the Constitution and our government, twisting them into something of his own creation, with no concern about how his viewers and followers understand what he is really all about.

If your church is really leading you away from your faith because of social justice, please take another look at what Jesus said about it.

File this under your “Words Have Meanings”

Profile of the Sociopath

1. • Glibness and Superficial Charm
   • Manipulative and Conning
     They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
   • Grandiose Sense of Self
     Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
   • Pathological Lying
     Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
   • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
     A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
   • Shallow Emotions
     When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
   • Incapacity for Love
   • Need for Stimulation
     Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
   • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
     Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
   • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
     Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
   • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
     Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
   • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
     Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
   • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
     Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
   • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
     Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
   • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
     Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

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   **Other Related Qualities: **
   • Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
   • Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
   • Authoritarian
   • Secretive
   • Paranoid
   • Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
   • Conventional appearance
   • Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
   • Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
   • Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
   • Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
   • Incapable of real human attachment to another
   • Unable to feel remorse or guilt
   • Extreme narcissism and grandiose
   • May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

   (The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)​

   I’m not even going to get into “psychopath,” which is Charles Manson territory. Needless to say, Katrina, you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about. Granted your dislike of Glenn Beck, but take a few deep breaths and be a little more realistic.
   
   dj

 

[traillius]

Glenn beck is a political commentator, not a religious leader. He is welcome to his opinion, but its not binding on anyone else. And the way to object is to not listen to him or pay attention to anything he says. Some of his ideas may have some merit, but overall, he is too reactionary, and not solution oriented.

 

[seekerz]

To walk in on this, as to the USCCB quote, the question is begged as to whether the divisions between rich and poor are systemic. The proof is not in the pudding, because as Jesus noted, the poor will always be with us.

Does this quote of Jesus free us of the obligation to help the poor? Disease and death will always be with us, in a similar sense, is it futile then to research cures? Ignorance will always be with us, is it senseless to promote education or to seek to stamp out illiteracy?

As to Jesus, was he addressing himself to a state or to a person?

What’s the difference? The state is a conglomeration of individuals under their elected leadership. This nitpicking about who is obliged to help the poor, sounds like kids bickering over who does what chore; meanwhile the dishes don’t get washed and the trash doesn’t get put out…Bottom line, God wants the poor and disadvantaged to be helped and, if we claim allegiance to Him, this is not an optional request.

 

[Biggie]

Does this quote of Jesus free us of the obligation to help the poor? Disease and death will always be with us, in a similar sense, is it futile then to research cures? Ignorance will always be with us, is it senseless to promote education or to seek to stamp out illiteracy?

No. It does acknowledge the obvious. The word “utopia” literally means “nowhere”. Jesus knew the definition before the word was used to describe a political concept.

What’s the difference? The state is a conglomeration of individuals under their elected leadership. This nitpicking about who is obliged to help the poor, sounds like kids bickering over who does what chore; meanwhile the dishes don’t get washed and the trash doesn’t get put out…Bottom line, God wants the poor and disadvantaged to be helped and, if we claim allegiance to Him, this is not an optional request.

I wonder if, when I stand before God, he will ask me if my country was just or if I was just, and if I tell him he is nitpicking and sounding like a child bickering over who does what chore, he will accept that response?

 

[Carlan]

Does this quote of Jesus free us of the obligation to help the poor? Disease and death will always be with us, in a similar sense, is it futile then to research cures? Ignorance will always be with us, is it senseless to promote education or to seek to stamp out illiteracy?

What’s the difference? The state is a conglomeration of individuals under their elected leadership. This nitpicking about who is obliged to help the poor, sounds like kids bickering over who does what chore; meanwhile the dishes don’t get washed and the trash doesn’t get put out…Bottom line, God wants the poor and disadvantaged to be helped and, if we claim allegiance to Him, this is not an optional request.

So Right!!!God help us with the Truth,pray, Carlan

 

[seekerz]

No. It does acknowledge the obvious. The word “utopia” literally means “nowhere”. Jesus knew the definition before the word was used to describe a political concept.

I wonder if, when I stand before God, he will ask me if my country was just or if I was just, and if I tell him he is nitpicking and sounding like a child bickering over who does what chore, he will accept that response?

When you stand before God, He will ask you what you did or didn’t do as an individual who is part of a community/country/church. Trust me, He will not be quizzing you on who was supposed to do what, rather on what did or did not get done…read the Gospels.

 

[Biggie]

When you stand before God, He will ask you what you did or didn’t do as an individual who is part of a community/country/church. Trust me, He will not be quizzing you on who was supposed to do what, rather on what did or did not get done…read the Gospels.

On what did or did not “get done” or on what I did and did not do? … Telling someone to “read the Gospels” is not an argument. Don’t you find it presumptuous? I do.

 

[KathleenGee]

What Beck is telling people is to watch out for liberation theology, of which it is not a theology, but is used by neo Marxists to draw on some parts of the Gospel in their ongoing class warfare here in the USA.

There is one Catholic organization that was cleared, and it had inadvertently funded 3 pro abortion groups.

 

[KathleenGee]

I was also victimized by a sociopath and brought further definition to the meaning when I described the behavior to our instructor.

Glenn Beck is no sociopath.

 

[Ridgerunner]

What Beck is telling people is to watch out for liberation theology, of which it is not a theology, but is used by neo Marxists to draw on some parts of the Gospel in their ongoing class warfare here in the USA.

There is one Catholic organization that was cleared, and it had inadvertently funded 3 pro abortion groups.

Part of the problem with the term “social justice” in a church context is that it can mean anything between the Social Encyclicals on one hand and Liberation Theology on the other; the two being incompatible.

Unfortunately, the term itself has become idiosyncratic as expressed, so that nobody knows what it really means without knowing the subjective intent of the person expressing it. It’s like the word “protestant”. You know only one thing when you hear that term, (non-Catholic Christian) but the variation in its meaning can be immense and can only be known by further inquiry into what the speaker means by it.

It has seemed to me that people (especially groups) who use the term a lot, tend to mean something more like Liberation Theology than they do the Social Encyclicals. The second may legitimately be regarded as Church teaching, the first cannot.

So, long before I ever heard Glen Beck say anything about it (and then only second-hand, so I don’t even know the context in which he said it) I myself became wary of church people who talk about “social justice” a lot, because the more they talk about it, it seems, the more it sounds like Liberation Theology. The latter, among other things, really does espouse coercion by the state power to make people do those things others think are worthwhile social goals. As Mao said “power comes from the barrel of a gun”. In the final analysis that’s true. It really does. If I don’t pay my taxes, they will arrest me. If I resist arrest sufficiently, they’ll shoot me.

That’s really not the message of Christ. That’s a whole different thing. It may be noted, in passing, that never in the Gospels did Jesus espouse employing the power of the state to force people to do acts deemed charitable by the state. That’s a modern accretion, a secular one that has no real connection to the Gospel messages.

 

[Sonic]

Believe it or not, Glenn Beck was raised Catholic.

Actually, Beck may not have been raised Catholic.

I’ve been digging around trying to find out more about Beck’s past. I’m not so sure he was ever a practicing Catholic. His father was a follower of Religious Science, a philosophy developed by Ermest Shurtleff Holmes. Basically, it’s a form of humanist spiritualism that combines the Science of the Mind philosophy with the Unitarian concept of God. Beck’s father converted to Catholicism in order to marry Beck’s mother, but held on to his former beliefs. Beck has several times quoted Holmes’s philosophy on his show, and his own conversion to the LDS church partially mirrors that of his father’s conversion to Catholicism.

I’ve run across a bit of a hole in his conversion story. Beck claims it was after his marriage to his wife. Yet, despite his alcoholism and wild ways, he worked many years for a Mormon owned radio station (his very first job in radio).

Fish around. Beck’s conversion story is about as murky as B.O.'s autobiography written by Bill Ayers.

 

[crazzeto]

Beck is completely off the wall… Fortunately I’m not so polarized that I would choose the precepts of the Republican Party over those of God.

 

[Biggie]

Beck is completely off the wall… Fortunately I’m not so polarized that I would choose the precepts of the Republican Party over those of God.

And this statement definitely is not off the wall.

 

[Southerncross]

WOW !!! What a thread - Does the 8Th. Commandment no longer exist ? First remove the plank from your own eye . How many of the posters are members of the St. Vincent De Paul Society or similar organizations ? One has lots more credence when leading by example rather than simply backbiting ! Are all the posters showing Charity ( Love of one`s fellow human beings for the love of God ) to the object of the thread ?
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[SpaceNeedle]

WOW !!! What a thread - Does the 8Th. Commandment no longer exist ? First remove the plank from your own eye . How many of the posters are members of the St. Vincent De Paul Society or similar organizations ? One has lots more credence when leading by example rather than simply backbiting ! Are all the posters showing Charity ( Love of one`s fellow human beings for the love of God ) to the object of the thread ?
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Well, I haven’t chimed in yet, but I will now.

I am a Vincentian who strives (many times unsuccessfully, I might add!) to follow St. Vincent de Paul and Blessed Frederick Ozanam’s beautiful example of actively loving the poor, and behaving in a selfless manner. This takes up a lot of my time, but so often, particularly when I am feeling a little selfish or self-pitying; one of the people I am supposedly trying to “help” turns to me and gives me the amazing charity, the true love. I can’t tell you what it is like to show up for a home visit, and they have prepared their only bit of food left so that you might not be hungry when you stay to talk with them. I did not really appreciate what it is like to really, really “see Jesus” so clearly until I hooked up with the local SVdP conference. my blessings are, huge, just huge. Do these people make poor decisions? Sure, sometimes, but haven’t we all. And what does God call us to do? No, the beatitudes are not lessons in free-market capitalism we must love, love, love.

Now then: Mr. Beck. I do confess to feeling uncharitable towards him. His “entertainment” makes cruel judgements, is polarizing, and I believe has led many a conservative to stray from helping those who work with the poor; “Socialism! Communism!” blah blah blah. And yes, the comments about “Social Justice” in Church truly did put me over the edge. That was the final straw. And then, that’s not good for me, so I haven’t chimed in much on this subject.

 

[PatriceA]

I find that I can’t take anything he says seriously because I always feel he’s playing a game. He creates panic but then goes on to say that only he has the solution and we need to join him in whatever it is he’s spinning that particular day. I just can’t seem to “get” him when he seems to always be belittling anyone that disagrees with him. He may have some valid points from time to time, but I always feel like he’s selling me snake oil.

 

[Tigg]

What’s wrong with the USCCB quote? Was Jesus a liberal too?

Unfortunately the term social justice has been hi-jacked to accommodate the politics of the day, i.e. concentration of economic and political power via the hands of the State.

What’s the difference? The state is a conglomeration of individuals under their elected leadership. This nitpicking about who is obliged to help the poor, sounds like kids bickering over who does what chore; meanwhile the dishes don’t get washed and the trash doesn’t get put out…Bottom line, God wants the poor and disadvantaged to be helped and, if we claim allegiance to Him, this is not an optional request.

Surely you jest…you would trust this corrupt government to be so kind-hearted as to help the poor? It’s all about control and power with little regard for the poor.

Biggie, why does it have to be so complicated?

Did not Jesus say it all in the sermon on the mount?

Indeed, sin creates complications……

“More tortuous than all else is the human heart, beyond remedy; who can understand it?"

Jer. 17:9

WOW !!! What a thread - Does the 8Th. Commandment no longer exist ? First remove the plank from your own eye . How many of the posters are members of the St. Vincent De Paul Society or similar organizations ?

Perhaps you would like to research further into your St. Vincent de Paul Society….all in the name of social justice, of course.

prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2009/07/catholic_charit.php

lifenews.com/nat5298.html

And then of course, there is the “Catholic” university of St. Vincent de Paul - perhaps there’s no connection…

gay.matchmaker.com/mm/gay-personals/quebec-saintvincentdepaul.htm
(Sorry – I wasn’t looking for anything like this ……it just popped up in a Google search)

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1905875/posts
(Another one I knew nothing about……I’d better stop looking!)

tfpstudentaction.org/get-involved/online-petitions/shameful-queer-studies-at-depaul-catholics-protest.html

 

[Katrina5]

Well, I haven’t chimed in yet, but I will now.

I am a Vincentian who strives (many times unsuccessfully, I might add!) to follow St. Vincent de Paul and Blessed Frederick Ozanam’s beautiful example of actively loving the poor, and behaving in a selfless manner. This takes up a lot of my time, but so often, particularly when I am feeling a little selfish or self-pitying; one of the people I am supposedly trying to “help” turns to me and gives me the amazing charity, the true love. I can’t tell you what it is like to show up for a home visit, and they have prepared their only bit of food left so that you might not be hungry when you stay to talk with them. I did not really appreciate what it is like to really, really “see Jesus” so clearly until I hooked up with the local SVdP conference. my blessings are, huge, just huge. Do these people make poor decisions? Sure, sometimes, but haven’t we all. And what does God call us to do? No, the beatitudes are not lessons in free-market capitalism we must love, love, love.

Now then: Mr. Beck. I do confess to feeling uncharitable towards him. His “entertainment” makes cruel judgements, is polarizing, and I believe has led many a conservative to stray from helping those who work with the poor; “Socialism! Communism!” blah blah blah. And yes, the comments about “Social Justice” in Church truly did put me over the edge. That was the final straw. And then, that’s not good for me, so I haven’t chimed in much on this subject.

SpaceNeedle: Beautifully stated! I worked with poor people for twenty five years as a social worker, and my co-workers often wanted to blame the clients for their “poor decisions.” (And I admit, I didn’t go twenty five years without joining in sometimes) but guess what, the most frequent “poor decision” made by a teenage girl was to KEEP HER BABY, interrupting her education and setting her on a path of hardship and poverty.

I kept this in mind, because even though I worked for a public agency, I would never have encouraged any young woman to abort her baby. (Actually we were legally prohibited from counseling in this area.)

So I couldn’t have a double standard on this. Part of my job was trying to help them find their boyfriend/father of the baby.

 

[seekerz]

On what did or did not “get done” or on what I did and did not do? … Telling someone to “read the Gospels” is not an argument. Don’t you find it presumptuous? I do.

No I do not find it presumptuous. I assume that since the topic is churches and social justice that our standard of reference would be the gospel.

Yes, we will each be asked to answer for what we did or did not do, that is exactly my point. The argument about who should or should not be doing what Christ asked is not pertinent. All that matters is that we do His will.

 

[Southerncross]

Unfortunately the term social justice has been hi-jacked to accommodate the politics of the day, i.e. concentration of economic and political power via the hands of the State.

Surely you jest…you would trust this corrupt government to be so kind-hearted as to help the poor? It’s all about control and power with little regard for the poor.

Indeed, sin creates complications……

“More tortuous than all else is the human heart, beyond remedy; who can understand it?"

Jer. 17:9

Perhaps you would like to research further into your St. Vincent de Paul Society….all in the name of social justice, of course.

prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2009/07/catholic_charit.php

lifenews.com/nat5298.html

And then of course, there is the “Catholic” university of St. Vincent de Paul - perhaps there’s no connection…

gay.matchmaker.com/mm/gay-personals/quebec-saintvincentdepaul.htm
(Sorry – I wasn’t looking for anything like this ……it just popped up in a Google search)

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1905875/posts
(Another one I knew nothing about……I’d better stop looking!)

tfpstudentaction.org/get-involved/online-petitions/shameful-queer-studies-at-depaul-catholics-protest.html

While we are all obliged to support social justice we are also obliged to keep the commandments ourselves no matter what others do . Thus Vinnies ( et al ) have my support ( Having been involved with charitable works orgs. myself ) while at the same time deploring calumny , detraction & backbiting - the 8Th. commandment forbids all of these . The ends do not justify the means - by all means oppose injustice - oppose it however with licit means .
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