Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

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catharina said:
A non-sequitor? Your ramble about Fr.McKenna’s book was a non-sequitor.
Instead of presenting your own petty, deadly biases
(slipped in among you purportedly grave thoughts)
it might have been best to present a precis of Fr. McKenna’s actual points.

If you can’t understand that this simple statement:
"Preschool brats" speaks of a mindset that dismisses the needs of the poor…"
then perhaps you should not present yourself as a “Vincentian.”

Your later attempt to equate “unruly children” with “preschool brats” is ridiculous.
A bias that speaks of “brats” reveals a lot -
especially when the term is applied to little ones who are
not anywhere near the “age of reason.”

Backpedal as fast as you can and as much as you want -
but your statement about “preschool brats” is incredibly offensive.

Best to you, to all, on our journey this Holy Week and beyond.

PS - claiming that only I found your term offensive because I was first
to raise the point would be actually laughable were it not such a tragic gasp from you.
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World:
Would you rather have a system that is efficacious at helping the poor or one that makes catharina feel good? Apparently, the two are incompatible.
 
sedonaman said:
World:
Would you rather have a system that is efficacious at helping the poor or one that makes catharina feel good? Apparently, the two are incompatible.
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I’m a part of a number of systems that efficaciously assist the poor.
One of those groups is the Society of St. Vincent de Paul.
I’ve yet to meet a member who labels the youngest poor children as “preschool brats.”
Thank God for that.

You are in a class by yourself with NO applause from St. Vincent.
 
Wow, the level of pride (look at all I do…self righteousness) and arrogance on this post is beyond Christian!
 
JulieAA said:
Wow, the level of pride (look at all I do…self righteousness) and arrogance on this post is beyond Christian!
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Speak for yourself. I do very little. The little I do is never enough.

However:
When one claims to be Vincentian one does NOT use a term like “preschool brats.”

From the Feast of Blessed Frederic Ozanam, founder of the St. V. deP. Society:
Comment:

"Those who mock the poor insult their Maker" (Proverbs 17:5). Frederick Ozanam never demeaned the poor in offering whatever service he could. Each man, woman and child was too precious for that. Serving the poor taught Frederick something about God that he could learn only there.

americancatholic.org/features/saints/saint.aspx?id=1131
 
Catharina,

I was not specifically speaking to you, per se. My Point: Nothing will be accomplished by and through anger and accusations. Maybe that was not the intent here; however, just scrolling through the posts that I have read, truly shows intolerance rather than honest dialog.
 
catharina said:
Speak for yourself. I do very little. The little I do is never enough.

However:
When one claims to be Vincentian one does NOT use a term like “preschool brats.”
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Since when do you make the rules?
From the Feast of Blessed Frederic Ozanam, founder of the St. V. deP. Society:
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"Those who mock the poor insult their Maker" (Proverbs 17:5). Frederick Ozanam never demeaned the poor in offering whatever service he could. Each man, woman and child was too precious for that. Serving the poor taught Frederick something about God that he could learn only there.
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So happens I just finished reading The Apostle in a Top Hat, the biography of Frederick Ozanam, and not once did it mention that he “helped” the poor in self-destructive behavior.
 
sedonaman said:
World:
Would you rather have a system that is efficacious at helping the poor or one that makes catharina feel good? Apparently, the two are incompatible.
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Only to you.
Please quit editing the book. Anyone who cares to read it can. I Have a hard time reconciling the book reviews to your take on the book. Thank you.
 
sedonaman said:
Since when do you make the rules?

So happens I just finished reading The Apostle in a Top Hat, the biography of Frederick Ozanam, and not once did it mention that he “helped” the poor in self-destructive behavior.
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Stop the twist.
Don’t even pretend that I’ve even implied one should support self-destructive acts.
On the contrary, one should help the poor out of reverence for God.
The OT Jews learned the very same thing.

Referring to young children as “preschool brats” is unworthy of Christians.
It’s unworthy of Vincentians. It’s unworthy of people in general.
It’s vile and demeaning talk.
It’s a loosening of reason by indulging in RANT under the guise of ‘smarts.’
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JulieAA said:
Catharina,

I was not specifically speaking to you, per se. My Point: Nothing will be accomplished by and through anger and accusations. Maybe that was not the intent here; however, just scrolling through the posts that I have read, truly shows intolerance rather than honest dialog.
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Agreed.
More importantly, nothing GOOD will be accomplished by accepting defamatory slang.
Have you ever bathed the body of a dead impoverished child? I have.
Allowing/accepting/ignoring talk that dehumanizes any poor child is, fo me, an evil.

You are correct that I do not and will not tolerate insults directed at poor children.
If you can tolerate it, then that’s your thing.
 
Since it is Holy Week, I bid farewell to all for now.
From St. Vincent de Paul is the constant prayer: “Blessed be God!”
 
Jesus tolerated a lot more than what we have to put up with these days!

…and he said, “Whatever you do, do it with love”

Happy Holy Week to all!

Praise Jesus and His Holy Name!
 
How can we have social justice if we can’t even agree on what constitutes morality and therefore a just society, or whether our efforts are moving us toward that goal? I guess it is easy for some because they can see only one way: their way, the way that makes them feel good; and anyone else is evil who dares suggest another.
 
csuliman said:
Glen Beck is a paranoid idiot. I am a free-speech absolutist so I bless his ability to speak his mind. However, how such an ignorant, paranoid and illogical man could command an hour every night on a national network is beyond me.
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All I have to say to you is…“Jerry…JErry…JERry…JERRy…JERRY!!!.. another News show of equal value…”
 
sedonaman said:
How can we have social justice if we can’t even agree on what constitutes morality and therefore a just society, or whether our efforts are moving us toward that goal? I guess it is easy for some because they can see only one way: their way, the way that makes them feel good; and anyone else is evil who dares suggest another.
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IMHO you lost your street cred a while ago.
 
This thread has made me think about the Parable of the Vineyard.

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1 "The kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out at dawn to hire laborers for his vineyard.
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After agreeing with them for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard.
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Going out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
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2 and he said to them, ‘You too go into my vineyard, and I will give you what is just.’
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So they went off. (And) he went out again around noon, and around three o’clock, and did likewise.
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Going out about five o’clock, he found others standing around, and said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’
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They answered, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You too go into my vineyard.’
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3 When it was evening the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Summon the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and ending with the first.’
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When those who had started about five o’clock came, each received the usual daily wage.
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So when the first came, they thought that they would receive more, but each of them also got the usual wage.
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And on receiving it they grumbled against the landowner,
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saying, ‘These last ones worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who bore the day’s burden and the heat.’
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He said to one of them in reply, ‘My friend, I am not cheating you. 4 Did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage?
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5 Take what is yours and go. What if I wish to give this last one the same as you?
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(Or) am I not free to do as I wish with my own money? Are you envious because I am generous?’
 
And- regarding the girl being given money for travel to visit her boyfriend in jail - how are we to know if that was a frivolous or a blessed thing to do? “I was in prison and you comforted me”
 
kbkam said:
I think the entire point of this discussion, which is drifting in and out of pettiness can be summed up in an actual current event. (I can’t find sandals for gay ex-nuns, but here’s one that’s far worse because it’s true.)
This is ultimately what happens when one abdicates one’s responsibility to help those in need, and delegates the gov’t to do it.
On the floor of the US senate:ow.ly/1qzlN

I guess all but 2 Democrat Senators (see link for roll call ) think it’s too controversial to prohibit Viagra prescription coverage for child molesters and rapists? Governments are not moral, so when we jump on the bandwagon of giving the gov’t the responsibility of doing what we are morally responsible to do ourselves, this is what happens. That is what GB said and what he meant.

Blessed Easter everyone.
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From what I’ve read about this absurd motion, it was apparently one of many procedural moves - not the result of a real concern - just an attempt to derail - obstruct - with no real concern about who received Viagra, fraud, etc. washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2010/03/24/BL2010032401517.html
 
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