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Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?
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sedonaman
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Our parish has a prison ministry. She could have gone with them to visit someone in the local area jail. And she could have chosen a woman prisoner to visit.
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sedonaman
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One would think, by reading some posts in this thread, that being called a “brat” is the worst fate that could befall a child in America today. If that were the case, we would be in great shape as a nation. Unfortunately, there are much worse things being done to them, and what is being done isn’t bad enough; insult must be added to injury by calling it “social justice”. Consider what another Christian author has to say:
Inversions of Decency and Sanity
As the older Western understandings on which liberalism was originally grounded were tossed onto the ash heap by our increasingly secular society, liberalism emerged as an autonomous force, detached from any cultural or moral framework that could contain its demands.
Under this new dispensation, liberal values such as equality and non-discrimination were no longer judged according to a comprehensive standard of the good; rather, the liberal values were now seen as simply identical with the good, and anyone advocating them as a good person [conversely, anyone opposing them as a bad person]. At the same time, any vestige of perceived inequality or discrimination [that is, anything that still remained of the inherited institutions and habits of our civilization, ranging from the rule of law to national identity to the marriage-based nuclear family to much of the ordinary give and take of daily life] came to be regarded as vicious obstructions to “true” progress, that had to be eliminated, reconstructed, or suppressed. Therefore, since authority leads to hierarchy which produces inequality, any form of authority is also rejected.
Thus politically correct America wages hysterical crusades against ethnic slurs or sexual comments by private individuals, while shrugging its shoulders at abortion, gross criminality, and marriage infidelity by [a] President – if he is seen as a sufficiently “tolerant” and “inclusive” person. Thus the modern liberal regime bans the merest breath of the Christian religion in public schools, while subsidizing student clubs devoted to witchcraft. Thus the mainstream media routinely attack the “oppressive” and “racist” police, while ignoring the criminality of the criminals whom the police are “oppressing.”
These inversions of decency and sanity are not the work of anarchists. They are the logical consequence of the central credo of modern liberalism: that all intolerance and discrimination must be eliminated . . . In a society dedicated to that proposition, the good itself must ultimately be seen as evil, because the good discriminates against evil, while evil must be blessed with victim status, because it is excluded by the good.
The problem described here points to its own solution, which is to abandon the modern liberal ideology that identifies morality with powerlessness, and return to traditional moral standards. Unlike today’s cultural Leninism that defines men’s moral worth as the inverse of their perceived degree of power or of their attachment to established ways of life, traditional morality judges the intrinsic moral qualities of men’s actions, and so is capable of seeing and stopping real evil when it appears. By contrast, . . . a people that defines the good as tolerance must inevitably end up tolerating evil, even the evil of terrorist killers. Indeed, such a people must ultimately lose the authority to enforce any standards at all, since standards can be enforced only by a society’s dominant culture, and a dominant culture, as a dominant culture, is by definition “unequal” and “exclusive” and thus [by liberal standards] illegitimate.
If, therefore, we truly desire to live in a society that can effectively resist the evil of, say abortion, or any evil for that matter, we must do two things: 1] define the good not as tolerance but as behavior in accordance with the moral law; and 2] affirm the legitimacy – and thus the moral authority – of our particular nation and its historically dominant [Judeo-Christian] culture.”
McKenna doesn’t address this. How can you have social justice without exposing the Big Lie first?
Inversions of Decency and Sanity
As the older Western understandings on which liberalism was originally grounded were tossed onto the ash heap by our increasingly secular society, liberalism emerged as an autonomous force, detached from any cultural or moral framework that could contain its demands.
Under this new dispensation, liberal values such as equality and non-discrimination were no longer judged according to a comprehensive standard of the good; rather, the liberal values were now seen as simply identical with the good, and anyone advocating them as a good person [conversely, anyone opposing them as a bad person]. At the same time, any vestige of perceived inequality or discrimination [that is, anything that still remained of the inherited institutions and habits of our civilization, ranging from the rule of law to national identity to the marriage-based nuclear family to much of the ordinary give and take of daily life] came to be regarded as vicious obstructions to “true” progress, that had to be eliminated, reconstructed, or suppressed. Therefore, since authority leads to hierarchy which produces inequality, any form of authority is also rejected.
Thus politically correct America wages hysterical crusades against ethnic slurs or sexual comments by private individuals, while shrugging its shoulders at abortion, gross criminality, and marriage infidelity by [a] President – if he is seen as a sufficiently “tolerant” and “inclusive” person. Thus the modern liberal regime bans the merest breath of the Christian religion in public schools, while subsidizing student clubs devoted to witchcraft. Thus the mainstream media routinely attack the “oppressive” and “racist” police, while ignoring the criminality of the criminals whom the police are “oppressing.”
These inversions of decency and sanity are not the work of anarchists. They are the logical consequence of the central credo of modern liberalism: that all intolerance and discrimination must be eliminated . . . In a society dedicated to that proposition, the good itself must ultimately be seen as evil, because the good discriminates against evil, while evil must be blessed with victim status, because it is excluded by the good.
The problem described here points to its own solution, which is to abandon the modern liberal ideology that identifies morality with powerlessness, and return to traditional moral standards. Unlike today’s cultural Leninism that defines men’s moral worth as the inverse of their perceived degree of power or of their attachment to established ways of life, traditional morality judges the intrinsic moral qualities of men’s actions, and so is capable of seeing and stopping real evil when it appears. By contrast, . . . a people that defines the good as tolerance must inevitably end up tolerating evil, even the evil of terrorist killers. Indeed, such a people must ultimately lose the authority to enforce any standards at all, since standards can be enforced only by a society’s dominant culture, and a dominant culture, as a dominant culture, is by definition “unequal” and “exclusive” and thus [by liberal standards] illegitimate.
If, therefore, we truly desire to live in a society that can effectively resist the evil of, say abortion, or any evil for that matter, we must do two things: 1] define the good not as tolerance but as behavior in accordance with the moral law; and 2] affirm the legitimacy – and thus the moral authority – of our particular nation and its historically dominant [Judeo-Christian] culture.”
McKenna doesn’t address this. How can you have social justice without exposing the Big Lie first?
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Ella
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So it’s your call as to who this woman should have visited and whether that makes it a blessed or frivolous act?
He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.
“Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity–greedy, dishonest, adulterous–or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’
But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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Via_Dolorosa
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Oh geez…another book. This time no title nor author.
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catharina
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One Big Lie is pretending that words don’t flow from and result in bad attitudes.
“Preschool brats” designates the youngest of poor children as unworthy and worthless. Accept that and one will soon be demanding abortions for all the poor. (Oh wait. That’s already happened.) Presenting such ugly disrespect as if one is representing Vincentian spirituality (or any type of Christianity) can easily qualify as part of a Big Lie. As for the text from the post - there is no quote attributed to an author, so of no interest.
As another poster said: any street cred is long gone for the book-quoter.
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4elise
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I’m not clear on the reason for the long posts from authors that don’t seem to be addressing the issue of the OP -
Many of the quotes seem to support the position that it is ‘them vs us’ - ‘those with jobs and homes’ vs ‘those who are lazy, corrupt, poor’ ------ it is just us. We are all made in God’s image, we are all sinners, and we are all called by Christ and the Church to care for each other and the Church reminds us over and over that the poor have a special place in that concern.
As I’ve said before - there are good people of faith that may draw the line in different places as to how much the government should do / vs / how much private charity should do - but the OP was about Churches that ‘preach’ Social Justice - and Beck’s call to run from them - no mater what people think he meant, no matter how he has since tried to clarify - Beck and his defenders seem to see a conspiracy where I don’t - I for one am grateful that our Church teaches Social Justice as a function of individuals and society.
Blessings!
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catharina
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Amen! For Catholics, Social Justice is a defined VIRTUE.
Blessed Holy Thursday to you, to all.
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kbkam
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4elise said;
cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html
Back to the topic: This is another reason why I believe in personal charity, not governments, with all its bizarre regulations and bureaucracy.
Of course, one could also say that it was the loyal opposition trying to represent the American people; according to CBS (certainly not a right wing source)
cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html
It’ll be interesting to follow this because remember, government has no morality and there is now a law on the books which allows it. How hard would it have been for the Dems to pass this one amendment? It was already going back to the House.
Back to the topic: This is another reason why I believe in personal charity, not governments, with all its bizarre regulations and bureaucracy.
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Ella
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Great Post!!!
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4elise
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I agree with you that the actual issue should (should have) be considered - but that was not the intent of the motion clearly, as has been said by so many - it is only the intention to KILL the bill - and cast those who support it into bad light. I don’t think one needs to be to politically involved or informed to see this type of thing for what it actually is - just political manuvering - I guess the lens through which we see this also influences how we view the actions — if one want to stop this health care bill at any cost then one might think it is a great idea - even if it is only a political manuver.
I really do not believe it is healthy for our country to continue to cast each other - those we agree with and those we disagree with - into various demonic / angelic premutations -
In my opinion Beck and his ilk (on both ‘sides’) are truly hurting our country by their tone, their retoric, their consiracy theorys -
WE - as people of faith - must rise above this - call on each other to dial it down, remind each other that we are ALL made in God’s image -
We can agree / disagree on the ways to respond to needs - but we must strive to do this as people of faith - we must be the salt, the light, the city on the hill.
During this most Holy Week - as we reflect on both Jesus’s Life and his Death, and Resurection - may it call us to also rise above the nonsense - may our faith shine out in our actions and our words.
Blessings
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sedonaman
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No, she can visit whomever she pleases; but then again, is St. Vincent de Paul obligated to support self-destructive behavior ? No one here wants to answer that question, only to make excuses.
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Via_Dolorosa
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How can anyone answer your question with so little facts?
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sedonaman
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No one is forcing you to read my posts. Ignore them if they are of no interest to you.
All through this thread you have obviously failed to understand a single thing I have said. Perhaps you should take a course in reading comprehension. In any event, I think you are frustrated because you can’t make a reasoned response to any of the points I’ve made, so you tried to side-track the discussion by taking the childish “I’m offended” way out and preferred to fabricate a whole personality of me in your head based on a single word, and proceeded to judge me according to that fabrication. As a result, your attitude represents the epitome of “Anyone-I-perceive-to-disagree-with-me-is-evil.” And I’m the one who is being judgmental!
Someone said my posts are too long. They are not by definition because they are within the word limit established by the site. I suspect they are too long for some because they don’t fit on a bumper-sticker. Complex issues just cannot be conveyed at all in only two or three words. [See “Hope” and “Change”.]
It is true that my last post was mainly a quote of someone else’s work, but it was to make a point, which obviously went clear over your head. If you examine the rest of my posts, they are my own words about McKenna’s book, except to give credit where due when backing up a statement.
I’m sorry if some are too lazy to follow a train of thought. I invite those also to ignore my posts.
Therefore, unless you have something constructive to say or ask, I bid you good day.
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RWMorris
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Another Big Lie is to pretend that you know someone’s attitude.
Get a grip for crying out loud. In my experience, 5 years as an elementary and middle school teacher and four children of my own, there are plenty of brats in our society. (Some of them seem to have reached adulthood.) I’ve never met a kid yet that couldn’t be bratty some of the time, and a few that were brats all the time. And they weren’t just from poor families either, and some of them, sit down and take a deep breath, were from good Catholic families (Yes, I taught in a Catholic School).
I’d rather have someone quote a book to me than have some “street smart” yahoo brat launch into a cr*p rap screed of self-righteous indignation. OBTW, the quote you denigrated was written by Lawrence Auster, *Liberalism: the Real Cause of Today’s Anti-Semitism *and can be found at 97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20398.
Of course, anyone who actually reads books instead of dancing to someone’s street cred could find it.
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NEWCATHOLICJEFF
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If you cant make your target with lazer guided precision…just Nuke it… massive volume can mask a lot of things…
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4elise
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I don’t know the entire story of this young woman of course - but is it possible that your putting on her visit ‘self-destructive behavior’ could be wrong?
Could her visit encourage this young man to try to right his life, could visiting someone she cares seeing the reality of jail help her make better choices with her life… of course these are possibilities as well… so as people of faith we can try to see the best in people, try to help them make better choices in all situations.
Blessings
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4elise
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Really?
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catharina
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Always, from Jesus:
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“Let the little children come unto Me
for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”**
Some people see this actuality in all little children.
It seems that some other people do not see it.
So be it.
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“Let the little children come unto Me
for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”**
Some people see this actuality in all little children.
It seems that some other people do not see it.
So be it.
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catharina
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:clapping:
Spare me the task of following the “train of thought”
of any obsessing quoter who calls children “brats.”
(The foundation of his house of sand is well-noted.)
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