Global warming: truth or propaganda?

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Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, argues in the Financial Times that ambitious environmentalism is the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity.

Mr Klaus writes that “global warming hysteria has become a prime example of the truth versus propaganda problem” and the issue “is more about social than natural sciences and more about man and his freedom than about tenths of a degree Celsius changes in average global temperature.”

Vaclav Klaus: What is at risk is not the climate, but freedom

ft.com/cms/s/e9df7200-19c7-11dc-99c5-000b5df10621.html
 
good article.
it’s amazing how something can be speculated these days and then be published in the news as fact.
they worry about the hole in the ozone. how do we know that we didn’t discover it while it was in a shrinking phase?
and global warming is total propaganda. it originated while margaret thatcher was prime minister. england was having trouble with the coal miner’s union. and, long story short, global warming was invented to put the coal unions in their place.
and now we have world wide treaties…
 
I always appreciate others who post links to interesting articles on this topic so I thought I would do likewise.

canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0

This link is to the first of a series of 15+ articles written by Lawrence Solomon for the (Canadian) National Post. Each article summarizes the work of a world reknown scientist that casts doubt on some aspect of the accepted version of global warming. This article (which contains links to the next nine articles) is about a statistician who was asked by the US House to assess the validity of the work of Michael Mann (he of the hockey stick graph).

I personally found the articles quite interesting … but then I’m in the denier’s camp anyway.

Ender
 
I say propaganda.

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Ender said:
I always appreciate others who post links to interesting articles on this topic so I thought I would do likewise.

canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0

This link is to the first of a series of 15+ articles written by Lawrence Solomon for the (Canadian) National Post. Each article summarizes the work of a world reknown scientist that casts doubt on some aspect of the accepted version of global warming. This article (which contains links to the next nine articles) is about a statistician who was asked by the US House to assess the validity of the work of Michael Mann (he of the hockey stick graph).

I personally found the articles quite interesting … but then I’m in the denier’s camp anyway.

Ender
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Thanks for the link. I’m still trying to figure out how much of the global warning stuff is true and how much of it is a liberal propaganda tool. Maybe this will help.
 
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Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, argues in the Financial Times that ambitious environmentalism is the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity.

Mr Klaus writes that “global warming hysteria has become a prime example of the truth versus propaganda problem” and the issue “is more about social than natural sciences and more about man and his freedom than about tenths of a degree Celsius changes in average global temperature.”

Vaclav Klaus: What is at risk is not the climate, but freedom

ft.com/cms/s/e9df7200-19c7-11dc-99c5-000b5df10621.html
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Well I have heard that it was about 1 1/2 degrees.

But and a big but, I have been working with temperature measuring systems off and on for several years. In fact I am working with a system, right now, that uses 96 temperature measurement devices. These devices are all in the Lab. not outside. And I can’t begin to tell you how difficult it is to get all these devices to be accurate to within 1 1/2 degrees.

So when I hear that the global temperature has increased by 1 1/2 degrees, I am totally an completely flabbergasted that anyone of anykind of technical intelligence can support this. It is beyond weird, that these people can actually spew this stuff out, and try and support it.

If it is this difficult in today’s world to keep these accuracies, in boundaries, then how difficult was it a hundred years ago?

Think about it, they would have to measure temperatures, in the jungles of Africa, in the Antartic, China, and all kinds of other third world areas, using what kind of calibration???

So, in other words, it’s just a bunch of hhoooooeeeyyy, when
they say that the average temperature has increased by 1 1/2 degrees, and completely obsurd to say tenths of a degree.
 
To compound the difficulties, the projections are based on computer models that keep changing.

Interested folks should visit www.sepp.org and read the comments by Dr. S. Fred Singer. He invented satellite climatology. You can also send an email to info@sepp.org and subscribe to the free e-letter that generally comes out weekly, unless he is out and about giving a speech somewhere.
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Well I have heard that it was about 1 1/2 degrees.

But and a big but, I have been working with temperature measuring systems off and on for several years. In fact I am working with a system, right now, that uses 96 temperature measurement devices. These devices are all in the Lab. not outside. And I can’t begin to tell you how difficult it is to get all these devices to be accurate to within 1 1/2 degrees.

So when I hear that the global temperature has increased by 1 1/2 degrees, I am totally an completely flabbergasted that anyone of anykind of technical intelligence can support this. It is beyond weird, that these people can actually spew this stuff out, and try and support it.

If it is this difficult in today’s world to keep these accuracies, in boundaries, then how difficult was it a hundred years ago?

Think about it, they would have to measure temperatures, in the jungles of Africa, in the Antartic, China, and all kinds of other third world areas, using what kind of calibration???

So, in other words, it’s just a bunch of hhoooooeeeyyy, when
they say that the average temperature has increased by 1 1/2 degrees, and completely obsurd to say tenths of a degree.
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Global warming is a lie.

Indiana Jones and the prophets of doom

Fifty years ago two very different historians published books with the same theme – the emergence of a religion of science.
At the climax of the now-classic movie Raiders of the Lost Ark, Nazi soldiers have seized possession of the long-lost ancient Hebrew Ark of the Covenant, intent upon harnessing its supernatural powers to further their dreams of world conquest. At that point, the audience is treated to the anomalous, even garish sight of French archaeologist and Nazi collaborator Dr Rene Belloq, decked out in the ornate robes and headdress of a temple priest, as he prepares to open the Ark and gain control of its supernatural power.

The Nazi plan backfires, of course, because opening the Ark unleashes an momentarily seductive but then horrific Angel of Death, who wreaks havoc on Belloq and the assembled Nazis, melting the flesh from their bones. This is a dramatically appropriate nemesis called down by their hubris in attempting to manipulate the supernatural. Only the brave Indiana Jones and his girlfriend survive, by clenching closed their eyes in a half-instinctive, half-learned humility in the presence of the divine, a cosmic power they do not presume to control.

The image of Belloq’s archaic priestly regalia in the midst of the modern Nazi uniforms is jarring, even ridiculous, because of the juxtaposition of the supposedly rationalistic, modern technocracy with the supposedly mystical, antiquated religiosity. Yet that visual oxymoron reveals a more subtle discontinuity, a real cultural regression in Western civilisation to a far more primitive, manipulative form of religiosity. And the nature of this regression can be probed through a curious and prophetic academic anniversary. This year we celebrate the 50th anniversary of both renegade Marxist Sinologist Karl Wittfogel’s magnum opus, Oriental Despotism, and Catholic historian Christopher Dawson’s The Dynamics of World History.

Read full article here:

mercatornet.com/articles/indiana_jones_and_the_prophets_of_doom/
 
“Global Warming” is a ploy by the left to gain more control of people’s lives.
 
My personal view is that it is true but that it is not caused by man. The fact is that the Earth has gone through coolings and warmings many times in its history and they are perfectly natural.

I agree that this is total propaganda. It is obvious to see this when you have extreme environmentalists saying that Bush caused Katrina to happen because he didn’t sign the Kyoto treaty.

It becomes even more apparent how false this is when they start blaming everything on global warming. If it snows too much during the winter, it’s global warming. If it snows too little and the winter is mild, it’s global warming. If there are many hurricanes, it’s global warming. If there are very little hurricanes, it’s global warming. If there is more rainfall than usual, it’s global warming. If there is less rainfall than usual, well, you get the picture. Every natural disaster is blamed on global warming.
 
Well, I hoping it’s true. I’ve been wanting to plant some palm trees in my front yard. So far the snow and ice in January make that problematic. Global warming? Bring it on!

CDL
 
Global warming is a fact. It is only going to get worse if something is not done to stop it. When you cut down trees, and pollute atmosphere and pollute the planet you’ve got global warming. if something is not done to stop it, there wont be anything left for our future generations to enjoy. That includes wildlife and plants. so those who doubt it, well, keep on doubting. your children wont.
 
Take a look at some of these articles:

From Wikipedia in an article published in August 2005:

Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown

Russian researchers warn that Western Siberia has begun to thaw as a result of global warming. The frozen peat bogs in this region may hold billions of tons of methane gas, which may be released into the atmosphere. Methane is a greenhouse gas 22 times more powerful than carbon dioxide.

Sergei Kirpotin, of Tomsk State University warned New Scientist that the event is an “ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming”.

David Viner, of the University of East Anglia told The Guardian: “When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it’s unstoppable”. He also warns that this event was not considered by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In May, scientists from the University of Alaska found methane “hotspots” in eastern Siberia where the gas bubbles out from thawing permafrost bogs at a rate that prevents the surface from freezing.

The permafrost has been intact for 11,000 years and started melting 3 to 4 years ago, according to Kirpotin.

Meltdown
 
Strange when my husband and I were married 39 years ago, the environmentalists were warning us of a new global ice age. No matter which one it might be, it is still our duty as Christians to care for the gifts God has given us. The planet Earth being one of them. We need to be good stewards of the blessings we have received.
 
TraditionalCath said:
Global warming is a fact. It is only going to get worse if something is not done to stop it. When you cut down trees, and pollute atmosphere and pollute the planet you’ve got global warming. if something is not done to stop it, there wont be anything left for our future generations to enjoy. That includes wildlife and plants. so those who doubt it, well, keep on doubting. your children wont.
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Where is your proof that Mankind is the cause. I ask again. Why did we start coming out of the Last Ice Age. Was it mankind that caused this?

Just saying stuff like you just said, is just a statement that correspondingly sounds like the “Sky is Falling”. You need proof.
 
Yea right :rolleyes:

The earth naturally cools and warms all on its own.
TraditionalCath said:
Global warming is a fact. It is only going to get worse if something is not done to stop it. When you cut down trees, and pollute atmosphere and pollute the planet you’ve got global warming. if something is not done to stop it, there wont be anything left for our future generations to enjoy. That includes wildlife and plants. so those who doubt it, well, keep on doubting. your children wont.
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Riley259 said:
Any proof of this assertion?
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Is it just a coincidence that the “solutions” to global warming just happen to be the same polirices the Left has been advocation for years, Higher taxes, more government regulation, smaller cars.
 
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