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Also to add here it seems that a few degrees difference in temperature can make a big difference. climate.weather.com/science/global-warming/faqs/faq07.html

**An increase of a few degrees won’t simply make for pleasantly warmer temperatures around the globe. Even a modest rise of 2°- 3°F (1.1°-1.7°C) could have dramatic effects. In the last 10,000 years, the Earth’s average temperature hasn’t varied by more than 1.8°F (1.0°C). Temperatures only 5°-9°F cooler than those today prevailed at the end of the last Ice Age, in which the Northeast United States was covered by more than 3,000 feet of ice.

Scientists predict that continued global warming on the order of 2.5°-10.4°F over the next 100 years (as projected in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report) is likely to result in:

a rise in sea level between 3.5 and 34.6 in. (9-88 cm), leading to more coastal erosion, flooding during storms, and permanent inundation
severe stress on many forests, wetlands, alpine regions, and other natural ecosystems
greater threats to human health as mosquitoes and other disease-carrying insects and rodents spread diseases over larger geographical regions
disruption of agriculture in some parts of the world due to increased temperature, water stress, and sea-level rise in low-lying areas such as Bangladesh or the Mississippi River delta. **
What good are a bunch of computer models from which the output is so unstable? Such a HUGE range of forecasts is utterly and totally worthless.

If IPCC really knew what they were doing, then they would have only ONE computer model.

The most likely scenario according to IPCC is ONE DEGREE … over the next century … ONE DEGREE PER HUNDRED YEARS. One one-hundredth of a degree per year. We cannot measure temperature that closely. [We can take a bunch of measurements and average them and come up with something, but that won’t tell us if the average temp went up … it will just tell us that our instruments aren’t very precise.

[OH! I ALMOST FORGOT. Visit the Web site that has audited the thermometer locations. The data going into the model(s) is really bad, poor quality data. So, it means that the output from the model(s) is really bad, poor quality output info.

www.surfacestations.org ]

Very important to make sure the data is absolutely the best possible data. And the data we are using is NOT good data. It’s off from 1 degree to 5 degrees and strangely, it reads HIGH.

On top of that, the IPCC task was to evaluate only man-made causes of global warming NOT ALL causes of global warming … JUST MAN-MADE causes.

So, they at IPCC are excluding the sun. And IPCC is excluding the hundred thousand or so volcanoes [the vast majority of which are under the oceans]. And IPCC is excluding all of the natural cycles … about which we know almost nothing in terms of causation.

The planet Earth has been through so many warming and cooling cycles and we really don’t know what causes any of them. But we do know that glaciers covered much of the Earth at one time. Maybe at more than one time. We do know from examining the geological record that the Earth’s magnetic field has flipped many times AND when the magnetic field goes to zero between flips that the magnetosphere no longer protects life on Earth from charged particles from outer space … from our own Sun and from cosmic rays, etc.

By the way, increased temperature results in HIGHER agricultural output, not lower agricultural output.

Any increase in sea level, if it happens at all, would be very slow and gradual … not like in the movies. Folks would have time to get out of the way … in fact they would have DECADES to get out of the way.

AND, malaria and other diseases occur in all kinds of climates. As long as there are mosquitoes, there are potential disease vectors.

Of course, if we continue to ban DDT, then we may very well have mosquito-borne diseases, but that won’t be because of the temperature.
 
31,000 scientists and doctors signed a petition and it is at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. For those of you who are really Christians search for the truth because it will set you free. For you Marxists pretending to be Christians to infiltrate our church Jesus had a message for you.This church will stand against the gates of hell.
 
Some people think global warming is a result of natural cycles of climate change that have occurred throughout the earth’s history. Some think it’s entirely blameable on human activity.

My experience is that the truth always lies somewhere between the two possible extremes.

Read what you want to read, believe what you want to believe, but just remember that everyone has an agenda, and balance is always important.
Global warming? isn’t that the same thing Gore invented along with the internet?
God is in charge of the weather, believe it or not. 🙂
Global warming? Follow the money. Another way to tax, tax, tax!

jean
 
What good are a bunch of computer models from which the output is so unstable? Such a HUGE range of forecasts is utterly and totally worthless.

If IPCC really knew what they were doing, then they would have only ONE computer model.

The most likely scenario according to IPCC is ONE DEGREE … over the next century … ONE DEGREE PER HUNDRED YEARS. One one-hundredth of a degree per year. We cannot measure temperature that closely. [We can take a bunch of measurements and average them and come up with something, but that won’t tell us if the average temp went up … it will just tell us that our instruments aren’t very precise.

[OH! I ALMOST FORGOT. Visit the Web site that has audited the thermometer locations. The data going into the model(s) is really bad, poor quality data. So, it means that the output from the model(s) is really bad, poor quality output info.

www.surfacestations.org
]

Very important to make sure the data is absolutely the best possible data. And the data we are using is NOT good data. It’s off from 1 degree to 5 degrees and strangely, it reads HIGH.

On top of that, the IPCC task was to evaluate only man-made causes of global warming NOT ALL causes of global warming … JUST MAN-MADE causes.

So, they at IPCC are excluding the sun. And IPCC is excluding the hundred thousand or so volcanoes [the vast majority of which are under the oceans]. And IPCC is excluding all of the natural cycles … about which we know almost nothing in terms of causation.

The planet Earth has been through so many warming and cooling cycles and we really don’t know what causes any of them. But we do know that glaciers covered much of the Earth at one time. Maybe at more than one time. We do know from examining the geological record that the Earth’s magnetic field has flipped many times AND when the magnetic field goes to zero between flips that the magnetosphere no longer protects life on Earth from charged particles from outer space … from our own Sun and from cosmic rays, etc.

By the way, increased temperature results in HIGHER agricultural output, not lower agricultural output.

Any increase in sea level, if it happens at all, would be very slow and gradual … not like in the movies. Folks would have time to get out of the way … in fact they would have DECADES to get out of the way.

AND, malaria and other diseases occur in all kinds of climates. As long as there are mosquitoes, there are potential disease vectors.

Of course, if we continue to ban DDT, then we may very well have mosquito-borne diseases, but that won’t be because of the temperature.

When we have a warm winter in Dulth Minn. Global warming will get my attention.
It was freezing this winter, as usual. Today it was 34above. Real cozy, with the wind chill off the lake to improve the low temp. Down to 20.

jean
 
Just another example of the slanted information that is being dealt out…

I saw a documentary this morning on the History channel.
They were presenting ‘evidence’ of global warming.

One of the evidences they presented was the growth rate of coral reefs.
Apparently they grew slower in the 1700’s.
They made the dramatic claim to warming because apparently coral grows slower in cooler temperatures.

The first question to hit my mind was what else causes the growth rate to slow.
And of course, the did not even approach that. There was simply assumption that temperature is the only thing to effect growth rate.
 
GLOBAL WARMING

While the Church doesn’t come out and say Global Warming is a reality - they did bring together individuals of divergent opinions to discuss this - and in the end the final statement was** "“Instead of letting disagreements in the global warming debate continue to stall decisive action, “we have a Christian duty to live simple, responsible lives whether climate change is happening or not,”**

catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24053

guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/27/catholicism.religion

I must confess I haven’t read this entire thread so am sorry if this is off the topic at this point… but considering this both in light of our faith and as members in the community of faith we have responsibilities to live our ‘Christian duty’! Peace
 
  • and in the end the final statement was** "“Instead of letting disagreements in the global warming debate continue to stall decisive action, “we have a Christian duty to live simple, responsible lives whether climate change is happening or not,”**
The action outlined will not harm.
This is unlike most actions advocated by the environmentalists. The actions they advocate cause harm to the economy.
 
The action outlined will not harm.
This is unlike most actions advocated by the environmentalists. The actions they advocate cause harm to the economy.
I remember hearing a discussion on resistance to change being stalled by fears of economic peril — ie framed as the companies who made buggy whips trying to outlaw cars.

Change will be detrimental to some industries and beneficial to others - it is a shift. And even if someone is a doubting Thomas (in deference to today’s Gospel ;)) — What if you are wrong? What if the changes that are being proposed really have to be made? As someone who has tried to make personal choices that reflect this belief in my responsibility I certainly don’t want to be in a position to say - ‘Told you so!’ if it all goes horribly wrong… better to ‘act as if’ and I believe this is what the Church is calling us to do~
 
Change will be detrimental to some industries and beneficial to others - it is a shift. And even if someone is a doubting Thomas (in deference to today’s Gospel ;)) — What if you are wrong? What if the changes that are being proposed really have to be made?
vz71 is not wrong.
 
There are 31,000 scientists and doctors who have signed a petition confirming that humans have no effect on weather. You may view every signature at www.oism.org. The facts also show that the 1930’s were substantially warmer than the past decade. Rememer we are apeaking as Ambassadors of Jesus Christ. You should thoroughly research the facts before you make comments.

For you who rely on Al Gore and UN scientists May God have mercy on your soul.
 
There are 31,000 scientists and doctors who have signed a petition confirming that humans have no effect on weather. You may view every signature at www.oism.org. The facts also show that the 1930’s were substantially warmer than the past decade. Rememer we are apeaking as Ambassadors of Jesus Christ. You should thoroughly research the facts before you make comments.
I think that’s what the thread is for ; a debate over so-called facts, instead of name-calling and demonizing the other side.
 
There are 31,000 scientists and doctors who have signed a petition confirming that humans have no effect on weather. You may view every signature at www.oism.org. The facts also show that the 1930’s were substantially warmer than the past decade. Rememer we are apeaking as Ambassadors of Jesus Christ. You should thoroughly research the facts before you make comments.

For you who rely on Al Gore and UN scientists May God have mercy on your soul.
And yet others suggest that that the Oregon Petition Project is the work of industry that are protecting their own interests… this blog lists MANY who are debunking of OISM.org greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/denier-myths-debunked/the-oregon-petition/

You may be assuming that some have not done their research, but others may think you have not ---- I think we are all struggling with this — and do come to different conclusions ----- I believe that the Church, failing to come to a conclusion is in fact asking us to error on the side caution.
 
A true believer!
But what if…
I agree!
What if…

There are a great many steps that can be made that have no measurable effect upon the economy. And as my church has already stated an opinion on, we should take these steps. These steps are those of a good steward.
But there are larger steps involved as well that can cost people their jobs.
These steps many environmentalists advocate.

Before I take any such step, I want solid proof that it is required.
I don’t mind people telling me after the fact, “see, I told you so…”
It is infinitely preferable then having to apologize to someone for taking away someone’s livelihood for what is later proven to be folly.
 
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