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There is no necessary correlation in number between “being” and “person.” We think of it that way because in our experience, every human “person” possesses a separate “being”–i.e. a separate human nature.

With God it is not so. He is one being only, expressed in three persons. The persons do not each have a separate “beingness,” each possesses fully the one nature–being of God.
 
hi take it easy its just a discussion to reach the truth ,when i say about someone a polytheist its normal ,dont you believe that im unbeliever ? i confess im unbeliever of catholicism another thing
i dont want anyone to describe God bec even me (who asked the Q) dont know description of God except that there is nothing like him
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ,he was according to apostles (who saw him not paul ) a prophet
 
remember all its important hint
we are talking in english
if someone wanna see meaning of person plz recheck any dictionary
 
ahmadhassan said:
hi take it easy its just a discussion to reach the truth ,when i say about someone a polytheist its normal ,dont you believe that im unbeliever ? i confess im unbeliever of catholicism another thing
i dont want anyone to describe God bec even me (who asked the Q) dont know description of God except that there is nothing like him
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ,he was according to apostles (who saw him not paul ) a prophet
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No, we would not consider any of the prophets nonbelievers. We believe that had the prophets lived after the Jesus time they would have embraced Him as Lord and Messiah. There are countless prophesies in the Old Testament concerning Him.

You might find this website interesting.

biblia.com/jesusbible/types.htm
 
Jayda said:
i think it is sadly ironic that muslim beliefs in their entirety are so insistant that God looks like this

http://leonardodavinci.stanford.edu/submissions/clabaugh/images/vm/leonardo.jpg

instead of this

http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/407/st.pats_threeleafclover_215.gif

yet they refuse to believe that God would actually make Himself human to show them He loves them.

it is incomplete faith…

que Dios te bendiga
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jayda we dont see God so we dont say like you
another thing ,according to the pic of leaves do you believe that father ,son and holyspirit typically the same ,the same origin and the same sonstituents?
 
ahmadhassan said:
another thing
i dont want anyone to describe God bec even me (who asked the Q) dont know description of God except that there is nothing like him
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If you do not want to make any attempt to describe God, then on what basis do you presume to quarrel with the Christian description of Him, which is based on scripture and His own revelation?
ahmadhassan said:
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ,he was according to apostles (who saw him not paul ) a prophet
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There are so many misconceptions here that it is pointless to try to correct them. If you want to correctly understand Christian doctrine, you might want to begin with a book like Frank Sheed’s Theology for Beginners. But I doubt that you would willing read anything stating Catholic doctrine from a Catholic source.
 
I am sorry, I am not a theologian, or even college educated. I try and make sense of the Trinity in this way:

As the Father is the Source, then the Word His Son is the LIght He sends forth, and the Holy Spirit is the Understanding which comes with the Light. These do not exist apart from each other. They are not separate. They exist eternally as One. We give names to that which cannot be described nor fully understood. Even the angels in Heaven do not understand it, and they are eternally in communion with this Mysery.

And no, I do not worship the sun, it is merely an analogy.
 
I think part of the problem describing the Trinity involves the use of the word** “person”**

We hear this person as…I am a person, you are a person and we are all persons…

However, the word person here is derived from the Greek ‘persona’ …and as such does not refer to an individual ‘person’

I am one person, however I am first someones daughter. The last of several children in my family I am also a sister. I was a grand-daughter to my parents parents…I am a wife, mother, grandmother, friend, employer, cousin…You see this individual person [me] has many ‘personas’ They are roles or relationships that I fulfill through out my life and the lies of those around me…

Part of the mystery of God is how wonderfully perfect and complete One God is in the Perfection of Three [Father, Son and Holy Spirit].

Some have wondered about how much like a family God is…but in reality God is the perfection of family and it is we mankind] who are ‘like’ a family.

However, we are imperfectly like the family [Trinity]…it atkes us many roles and yet we love imperfectly where Jesus loves us to perfection even sacrificing himself for us. We forgive but not with the ungrudging forgiveness of God who loves as our eternal Father.
 
Mjae said:
I am sorry, I am not a theologian, or even college educated. I try and make sense of the Trinity in this way:

As the Father is the Source, then the Word His Son is the LIght He sends forth, and the Holy Spirit is the Understanding which comes with the Light. These do not exist apart from each other. They are not separate. They exist eternally as One. We give names to that which cannot be described nor fully understood. Even the angels in Heaven do not understand it, and they are eternally in communion with this Mysery.

And no, I do not worship the sun, it is merely an analogy.
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if we took your understanding thats mean that christ wasnt exist but its new thing came from father also you have to know that understanding is something we get after seeing the light ,as light fall on things and reflected to our eyes so we could "understand " therefore we cant understand (i.e understanding wasnt exist but we got it after we got in contact with the light) therefore the holyspirit wasnt exist before the christ came 👍
 
YADA said:
I think part of the problem describing the Trinity involves the use of the word** “person”**

We hear this person as…I am a person, you are a person and we are all persons…

However, the word person here is derived from the Greek ‘persona’ …and as such does not refer to an individual ‘person’

I am one person, however I am first someones daughter. The last of several children in my family I am also a sister. I was a grand-daughter to my parents parents…I am a wife, mother, grandmother, friend, employer, cousin…You see this individual person [me] has many ‘personas’ They are roles or relationships that I fulfill through out my life and the lies of those around me…

Part of the mystery of God is how wonderfully perfect and complete One God is in the Perfection of Three [Father, Son and Holy Spirit].

Some have wondered about how much like a family God is…but in reality God is the perfection of family and it is we mankind] who are ‘like’ a family.

However, we are imperfectly like the family [Trinity]…it atkes us many roles and yet we love imperfectly where Jesus loves us to perfection even sacrificing himself for us. We forgive but not with the ungrudging forgiveness of God who loves as our eternal Father.
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here we see you mixing between one person and different rules and different persons with different rules ,if we assumed your words to be truth then the father must be the son and also the holy spirit is that what you believe ? if so tell me and then i reply to that from bible
 
Yes, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are indeed One…

The Scriptures and the understanding of the early Christians [Trinity was one of the first areas that the early church defined, defended from heresy], Christian belief [even among our seperated brethren] for some 2000 years +/- supports this…

While I am sure that you will cherry pick scriptures to suit your argument, in the totality of Scriptures and a constant teaching of Christian belief [acknowledging that this was an early and hard faught tenet of Christian belief], that is the basic understanding. It is also a mystery [as others have noted…how can this be?..What did God ask Job?..“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the world?”]

As for me: I will acccept the teaching authority of the Church, the Holy Scriptures and the teachings of the Early Church Fathers for now…God will reveal His mysteries to me in His time…
 
ahmadhassan said:
if we took your understanding thats mean that christ wasnt exist but its new thing came from father also you have to know that understanding is something we get after seeing the light ,as light fall on things and reflected to our eyes so we could "understand " therefore we cant understand (i.e understanding wasnt exist but we got it after we got in contact with the light) therefore the holyspirit wasnt exist before the christ came 👍
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As I said, it was merely an analogy. Any attempt to describe or compare a created thing to the Creator will always fall short. Only faith will cross that gap. And if you don’t have it, then you don’t have it. Sorry. 🙂
 
In Genesis [in the beginning], God speaks creation and the results [heavens, earth, sun, moon, stars, plants, animals and mankind are ‘created’

God says “Let us make man in our image”. But God is one…The Word is spoken and the Spirit moves, God creates…

John tells us in the Gosel [the Good News of Salvation] that "In the beginning [Genesis] was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God…

John’s Gospel is a mirror of the first scriptural book, Genesis. It follows the same format…on the second day, the next day, the next day…etc.

Jesus states that He “and the Father are One”. He “who has seen Me has seen the Father”. Jesus does not leave His disciples without an Advocate, the Paracleat, the Comfortor, the One who is sch that they not “be left orphaned” [Father/Holy Spirit]…which He [Jesus] breaths out upon them [the breath of God, the same breath breathed into Adam] and they “receive the Holy Spirit”.
 
YADA said:
In Genesis [in the beginning], God speaks creation and the results [heavens, earth, sun, moon, stars, plants, animals and mankind are ‘created’

God says "Let us
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make man in our image". But God is one…The Word is spoken and the Spirit moves, God creates…

John tells us in the Gosel [the Good News of Salvation] that "In the beginning [Genesis] was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God…

John’s Gospel is a mirror of the first scriptural book, Genesis. It follows the same format…on the second day, the next day, the next day…etc.

Jesus states that He “and the Father are One”. He “who has seen Me has seen the Father”. Jesus does not leave His disciples without an Advocate, the Paracleat, the Comfortor, the One who is sch that they not “be left orphaned” [Father/Holy Spirit]…which He [Jesus] breaths out upon them [the breath of God, the same breath breathed into Adam] and they “receive the Holy Spirit”.

Yes, of course! But you’re forgetting something. To appreciate these truths you have to get past one-dimensional thinking.

I’m not sure he’s willing to see our perspective.
 
YADA said:
In Genesis [in the beginning], God speaks creation and the results [heavens, earth, sun, moon, stars, plants, animals and mankind are ‘created’

God says "Let us
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make man in our image". But God is one…The Word is spoken and the Spirit moves, God creates…

John tells us in the Gosel [the Good News of Salvation] that "In the beginning [Genesis] was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God…

John’s Gospel is a mirror of the first scriptural book, Genesis. It follows the same format…on the second day, the next day, the next day…etc.

Jesus states that He “and the Father are One”. He “who has seen Me has seen the Father”. Jesus does not leave His disciples without an Advocate, the Paracleat, the Comfortor, the One who is sch that they not “be left orphaned” [Father/Holy Spirit]…which He [Jesus] breaths out upon them [the breath of God, the same breath breathed into Adam] and they “receive the Holy Spirit”.

our is for glory or for pleural? if for glory then thats mean that doesnt mention trinity if for pleural then they arent one and he should have been saying my not our bec he is one and the father is the son (if you believe that father is the son then that contradicting bible which say that they are not the same and christ (son) isnt Good and cant do by himself and that the father John 7:16Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
 
But scripture does say they are one. Jesus said “The Father adn I are One…Whomever has seen Me has seen the Father”

I do not understand what you are referring to as ‘glory’. Jesus is God - Incarnate. God made flesh. While God stands outside of Time - in that God is “Who Is - Who Was - and Who Is to Come” God also chose to enter into time and take on Human form and Flesh. Jesus is both fully God [Divine] and fully human [man]. Jesus has two natures…a human nature and a dicvine nature. The fullness [and mystery of] of the Trinity is just that…One God; three persons [and I stand by the greek personas as the proper understanding of the word person] And the Person of Christ, the Son with two natures.

You see this Chirstian understanding beautifully represented in icons where the hand of Jesus has three fingers formed together with two others formed and upheld in blessing or held out in welcome [calling] one into the mystery…
 
ahmadhassan said:
our is for glory or for pleural? if for glory then thats mean that doesnt mention trinity if for pleural then they arent one and he should have been saying my not our bec he is one and the father is the son (if you believe that father is the son then that contradicting bible which say that they are not the same and christ (son) isnt Good and cant do by himself and that the father John 7:16Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
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As for the One Who sent Him…

1 Then God delivered all these commandments:

2 "I, the LORD, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.
3 You shall not have other gods besides me.
 
YADA said:
But scripture does say they are one. Jesus said “The Father adn I are One…Whomever has seen Me has seen the Father”

I do not understand what you are referring to as ‘glory’. Jesus is God - Incarnate. God made flesh. While God stands outside of Time - in that God is “Who Is - Who Was - and Who Is to Come” God also chose to enter into time and take on Human form and Flesh. Jesus is both fully God [Divine] and fully human [man]. Jesus has two natures…a human nature and a dicvine nature. The fullness [and mystery of] of the Trinity is just that…One God; three persons [and I stand by the greek personas as the proper understanding of the word person] And the Person of Christ, the Son with two natures.

You see this Chirstian understanding beautifully represented in icons where the hand of Jesus has three fingers formed together with two others formed and upheld in blessing or held out in welcome [calling] one into the mystery…
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did christ ever said that he has two natures? why do christians assume things that isnt in the bible ,triniy isnt in the bible and what they say about two natures isnt in the bible
do you understand what “fully” mean?
why refuse "direct clear " evidence from bible and assume things with no proofs
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
 
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