God according to catholics

[Subrosa]

thats what you do you try to comprehend God to be man and son of man while he isnt ,i told you that even if you said that he is father and son is titles for same one thats mean that father is that son and certainly the bible refuse that

John 10:30 “I (Jesus)** and** the Father are One.”

Quite the refusal the bible has. It seems more like an admission.

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[Subrosa]

thats what you do you try to comprehend God to be man and son of man while he isnt ,i told you that even if you said that he is father and son is titles for same one thats mean that father is that son and certainly the bible refuse that

John 10:30 “I (Jesus) and the Father are One.”

Quite the refusal the bible has there. It seems more like an admission.

And I have read the passage in Revelation many times. Both God and the Lamb are on the throne (Rev 22:1, 3) and the passage refers to both. The Lamb is Jesus (Rev 5:12, 13).

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[Subrosa]

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. this is about God not christ and reread the verse

I have read the passage in Revelation many times. Both God and the Lamb are on the throne (Rev 22:1, 3) and the passage refers to both. The Lamb is Jesus (Rev 5:12, 13).

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[MHalsey]

Ahmad,
You asked a question:

i just wondering do catholics believe that God is one in 3 persons or 3 in one person

You have received explanations ad infinitum about how Catholics see and worship God in the Holy Trinity.

Then with each explanation, you attempt to destroy or discredit it. This is the very definition of a troll. You have shown yourself to be one who is not here to learn, but to destroy and cause conflict.

Jesus said the tree is known by its fruit. I think by now we know.

God Bless. I will pray for your conversion.

 

[ahmadhassan]

John 10:30 “I (Jesus) and the Father are One.”

Quite the refusal the bible has there. It seems more like an admission.

And I have read the passage in Revelation many times. Both God and the Lamb are on the throne (Rev 22:1, 3) and the passage refers to both. The Lamb is Jesus (Rev 5:12, 13).

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are one in purpose not in personality see
they(jews) misunderstood him and the same did you (christians)
see
john 10: 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
they misunderstood him and they thought that he claims divinity
but he tried to explain to them that he isnt God and that they misunderstood him
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’[e]?
that he is just not talking in reality its just a symbol
if it was said that you are gods why dont you let me say that

again and again im not trying to understand how is God look like in shape im just wonder how you describe God that he is a man and he is like us need to eat ,drink and go to bathroom

 

[Booklover]

are one in purpose not in personality see
they(jews) misunderstood him and the same did you (christians)
see
john 10: 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
they misunderstood him and they thought that he claims divinity
but he tried to explain to them that he isnt God and that they misunderstood him
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’[e]?
that he is just not talking in reality its just a symbol
if it was said that you are gods why dont you let me say that

again and again im not trying to understand how is God look like in shape im just wonder how you describe God that he is a man and he is like us need to eat ,drink and go to bathroom

Our Catechism states:

51 It pleased God, in his goodness and wisdom, to reveal himself and to make known the mystery of his will. His Will was that men should have access to the Father, through Christ, the Word made flesh, in the Holy Spirit, and thus become sharers in the divine nature.

51 God, who “dwells in unapproachable light,” wants to communicate his own divine life to the men he freely created, in order to adopt them as his sons in his only-begotten Son. By revealing himself God wishes to make them capable of responding to him, and of knowing him, and of loving him far beyond their own natural capacity.

53 The divine plan of Revelation is realized simultaneously "by deeds and words which are intrinsically bound up with each other. It involves a specific divine pedagogy: God communicates himself to man gradually. He prepares him to welcome by stages the supernatural Revelation that is to culminate in the person and mission of the Incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.

Also

41 "All creatures bear a certain resemblance to God, most especially man, created in the image and likeness of God. The manifold perfections of creatures-their truth, their goodness, their beauty -all reflect the infinite perfection of God. Consequently we can name God by taking his ceratures’ perfections as our starting point, “for from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator.”

If humans are God’s greatest creation, why would it be so horrible as you think for God to assume a human nature in order to save us? No human being can be a real mediator between God and man, only God can be that, and did in the person of Jesus Christ!

Vickie

 

[Subrosa]

are one in purpose not in personality see
they(jews) misunderstood him and the same did you (christians)
see
john 10: 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
they misunderstood him and they thought that he claims divinity
but he tried to explain to them that he isnt God and that they misunderstood him
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’[e]?
that he is just not talking in reality its just a symbol
if it was said that you are gods why dont you let me say that

again and again im not trying to understand how is God look like in shape im just wonder how you describe God that he is a man and he is like us need to eat ,drink and go to bathroom

I just love that you say that you know the Christian scripture better than anyone here. I just love that! Laugh out loud!

I gotta hand it to you, though. You’ve got the Protestants and Catholics on the same side. Hard thing to do, but you did it!

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[pismopal]

We already know G-d according to muslims. He is a hand puppet who not only hates Jews but any other enemy that the “tribe” may have at any given moment. Ahmadhassan has learned nothing because he doesn’t want to learn…he knows everything and is contemptuous of any attempt to teach. Have a nice life mister.

 

[Harland]

here we see you mixing between one person and different rules and different persons with different rules ,if we assumed your words to be truth then the father must be the son and also the holy spirit is that what you believe ? if so tell me and then i reply to that from bible (this was my answer to yada )

remember that i can be father and son but not father of that son how?
im a father of a son (for example x ) and a son of a father (hassan ) but im not father of myself nor son of myself

Yes. That is what I and every other Christain here is saying. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. That has been explained to you meany times. Can’t you read? You keep going around and around in circles. As has been said before, you are only here to argue not to get an understanding of what Christians believe.

 

[chet]

Dear ahmadhassan Jesus has a few things he wants to tell you listen to him with your heart and soul maybe he can reach you.

                         Matthew  11:27

All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

John 1:18

No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

									                 John 5:19-23   Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

"For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him greater works than these, so that you will marvel.
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.

"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 5:36-40 But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish–the very works that I do–testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me. "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me.

You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. "You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

										     John 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,'

because I said, ’ I am the Son of God’?

John 10:38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."
John 12:49-50 " For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
“I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”
John 14:8-11 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?

The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves

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biblegateway.com

 

[chet]

Allah?

Exodus 3:14-15 God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Isn’t He the God of Mohammad?

biblegateway.com

 

[chet]

Allah?

Exodus 3:14-15 God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Isn’t He the God of Mohammad?

Dear Muslims, please remember God says His name to all generations is 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,

But aren’t Issac and Jacob Jews/non-believers. Why would God use non-believers in His Holy Name?

 

[adrift]

that wasnt said by christ but by paul

You are mistaken. This WAS said by Jesus

Matthew 28
18
Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

You are also mistaken that Jesus did not claim to be God. When He said I am, that was the name of God. Your interpretation of the verse lacks accuracy because of your unfamiliarity with the whole bible.

 

[chet]

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus approached and said to them,

"All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Not Mohammad? Can that be right? Revelation 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

John 5:23

"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

So that means Jesus gets to judge Mohammad.I wonder how that will go over in Islam?
John 5:38-40

You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. "You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

 

[ahmadhassan]

We already know G-d according to muslims. He is a hand puppet who not only hates Jews but any other enemy that the “tribe” may have at any given moment. Ahmadhassan has learned nothing because he doesn’t want to learn…he knows everything and is contemptuous of any attempt to teach. Have a nice life mister.

could you prove in "a new thread " dont change topic

 

[ahmadhassan]

You are mistaken. This WAS said by Jesus

You are also mistaken that Jesus did not claim to be God. When He said I am, that was the name of God. Your interpretation of the verse lacks accuracy because of your unfamiliarity with the whole bible.

this isnt present in herbew bible of matthew which we depend on to be original even the christ spoke in aramic not herbew

plz seek the truth bec it will set you free ,what if you come in the hereafter and found all what you have been taught and accept blindly isnt true ? its one life then there is heaven or hell so choose your way
do you think christianity answer all your Question? what about ommition and addition to bible ,what about christ who never said worship me or never said i`m God ,not only that but also he prayed to God on the mountain (like muslims ,do ablution and prostrate on the ground ) and he called God and said why he forsaken him

 

[gell]

i believe that we have to know who do we worship so that we can do worship ,if you asked a muslim he will say he worship one person that is God and he can explain if you asked a hindu he will say that he worship 200 persons but i wanna know how many persons do you worship and what if you worshipped father alone ?

God doesn’t like being treated like other gods or people… he has never liked receiving the same kind of handle as a person or an idol god.

This is why Muslims have 99 different names for God, no? The Trinity explains why he would not want such a handle IMO. God is not a human (in spirit form) + supernatural powers.

I know exactly who I am speaking to in prayer. To God my FATHER, to Christ my BROTHER, the Holy Spirit my COUNSELOR. I can also pray with Mary, my mother and with the other Saints whom I can empathize with depending on my situation/feelings.

 

[ahmadhassan]

God doesn’t like being treated like other gods or people… he has never liked receiving the same kind of handle as a person or an idol god.

This is why Muslims have 99 different names for God, no? The Trinity explains why he would not want such a handle IMO. God is not a human (in spirit form) + supernatural powers.

I know exactly who I am speaking to in prayer. To God my FATHER, to Christ my BROTHER, the Holy Spirit my COUNSELOR. I can also pray with Mary, my mother and with the other Saints whom I can empathize with depending on my situation/feelings.

99 name for same God but
father ,son and holyspirit isnt names or what do you think?

 

[gell]

99 name for same God but
father ,son and holyspirit isnt names or what do you think?

As it has been said before, they are not just names.

I was just saying that the Trinity EXPLAINED why God does not want a HANDLE. You can’t put a handle on the Trinity (God).

Muslims circumvent this by giving God more names… the only problem is that each name still actually completely encompasses God.

 

[dolphinlove]

99 name for same God but
father ,son and holyspirit isnt names or what do you think?

I think we have mentioned MORE THAN 99 times to you, we do NOT have more than 1 name for God.
The trinity is 3 in 1.
But the people who are guided by the false prophet of Muhammed and blinded by the truth cannot see that fact.
I pray that you may understand the truth which is the trinity.
God Bless