God gave us Reason, not Religion

[Keikiolu]

I think we are saying the same thing…just differently. To your arguement ; “Religion” as the drive towards God, I disagree that it is religion. I belive it is a infinite Desire to know truth, which is of course God, as the drive. I think we do agree though that man has a certain “drive” to know God. Religion, I think, is the text to find the truth i.e. God.

Yeah,… I think we do agree in spirit, though we might have different meanings in terms.

“Religion” to me is just wanting to fill the God-shaped hole in us.

“A Religion” is the dogmatic constitution of a community.

As far as the angels having a religion. I don’t know…religion,to me is a concept only needed after the Fall. Adam and Eve and the angels,before the Fall,needed no term Christianity…as a religion.

I suppose I COULD argue with that by saying that since Christ is the 2nd person of God, and since the angels and all “creatures” (creations) job was to adore that which BROUGHT FORTH the creation (which would be Jesus as “the Word”), was indeed “worshiping Christ Jesus” (before He was “Christ-ed” in history), which could be termed as them being CHRISTIAN…!

…but I’m not gonna do that.

Nor even the term Judaism. They were simply existing with God as Creator and created.

But I think were basically on the same page

Yeah,… if you’re in agreement with the Magisterium, we’re pretty much on the same page.

Now,… I don’t really know how “compliant” with the Magisterium you actually are, so I could be wrong, but I’m feeling particularly agreeable today, as I’ve had too many warnings to “be nice!” recently, so I’ll call us brethren in the matter…!

Aloha nui 'oe…!

 

[Southsider433]

Yeah,… I think we do agree in spirit, though we might have different meanings in terms.

“Religion” to me is just wanting to fill the God-shaped hole in us.

“A Religion” is the dogmatic constitution of a community.

I suppose I COULD argue with that by saying that since Christ is the 2nd person of God, and since the angels and all “creatures” (creations) job was to adore that which BROUGHT FORTH the creation (which would be Jesus as “the Word”), was indeed “worshiping Christ Jesus” (before He was “Christ-ed” in history), which could be termed as them being CHRISTIAN…!

…but I’m not gonna do that.

Yeah,… if you’re in agreement with the Magisterium, we’re pretty much on the same page.

Now,… I don’t really know how “compliant” with the Magisterium you actually are, so I could be wrong, but I’m feeling particularly agreeable today, as I’ve had too many warnings to “be nice!” recently, so I’ll call us brethren in the matter…!

Aloha nui 'oe…!

We agree:thumbsup:

I COULD argue that although I agree with your points on Christ and the creation. That it would’nt be the same type of Christianity we have post-fall.No fall =no need for redemption= no need for the sacrifice.Just us and the 3,the Creator and the created…but I’M not gonna do that

 

[Keikiolu]

We agree:thumbsup:

I COULD argue that although I agree with your points on Christ and the creation. That it would’nt be the same type of Christianity we have post-fall.No fall =no need for redemption= no need for the sacrifice.Just us and the 3,the Creator and the created…but I’M not gonna do that

I’m SO glad we didn’t do those things…!!

And I also wouldn’t THINK of proposing that you having chosen a red shirt instead of remaining shirtless means that that tatoo below your solar-plexus but above your bellybutton is more difficult to see unless you lift your arms over your head REALLY high, and jump around a bit…!

WHY would I propose such a goofy thing…?

I wouldn’t of course… unless severly provoked…!

'Ya looking to “provoke” me…?

 

[AgnosTheist]

If God revealed all to us now, some of those things we could not understand using our human reasoning and intellect.

God could just reveal to each and everyone of us what (according to the stories) he revealed to the prophet & apostles. if their human reasoning & intellect were able to digest the information, so could we. right?

 

[Southsider433]

I’m SO glad we didn’t do those things…!!

And I also wouldn’t THINK of proposing that you having chosen a red shirt instead of remaining shirtless means that that tatoo below your solar-plexus but above your bellybutton is more difficult to see unless you lift your arms over your head REALLY high, and jump around a bit…!

WHY would I propose such a goofy thing…?

I wouldn’t of course… unless severly provoked…!

'Ya looking to “provoke” me…?

ENOUGH!!! LOL we’re cool we’re cool, your okay with me!

 

[catharina]

oh I definitely agree. But this is about religion, not faith. If you will notice, I do have faith. Thats why I believe in God.

I am fairly certain that some religions are 100% bogus. Like Scientology & Islam. What do you think?

My goodness!

Judiasm, Christianity and Islam are the three monotheisitic religions on this earth: all believe in one God. Scientology might have a tax-exempt status but that hardly makes it a religion. It tends to believe in NO God. It believes in a life force and plans hatched in outer space. (Excuse me?) Huge difference? Yep.

 

[AndyF]

God could just reveal to each and everyone of us what (according to the stories) he revealed to the prophet & apostles. if their human reasoning & intellect were able to digest the information, so could we. right?

I see it this way.

This is because he understands human nature and our thirst to discover. He wants us to “discover” him and this way we can be more appreciative than simply to be given everything on a platter. As well as finally finding him we are rewarded by the search. What has been written in the Word and provided by the Church as our devinely inspired teacher, our Faith matures.
Everything as already been revealed. Our task now becomes to find the true sources. Half the work is already done as it were. Some are blessed with leaps in their Faith advancement, and these are called private revelations. These are things like personal miracles, (I’ve had 2 in my life.), impossible close calls, or having a Saint appear to one like the children of Fatima, or being visited by deceased loved ones who are in God’s favor. Another more familiar but not officially recognized as such these days may be NDE’s,etc.

Persistance rewards as well. If our information seems confusing or ambiguous, the cloud will slowly subside has He notices our pious determination to learn in all sincerity. If we are simply seeking ammunition for rebutal or some other sinister reason God will withhold, if sincere in advancing Faith He will provide.

The prophets were not given special privledge having been given first hand tasks to accomplish. They still needed to struggle with their unique trials of there own. In this century Brother Andre of St. Joseph’s in Montreal soon to be cannonized, was always tormented by demons of the real kind, no hazy whisps in the wind here. So much so he came to expect him every night in his room to disrupt his peace has he wrote. So along with his gift of healing he was blessed with, he was burdened with this for the rest of his life. St. Paul asked God to rid him of a pesky temptation he was always plagued with, and God refused and said the graces he had were sufficient for him to handle it.

The key thing is the initiation always starts by us as we position ourselves in the proper state for reception of these graces. Another is we need to recognize that occasionally we are dealing with mysticism and the wonders of things beyond our comprehension. In this case we pocket the knowledge for safe keeping and learn by the message it sends. In Christian patience we can see the evidence when we return from exile.

AndyF

 

[catharina]

God could just reveal to each and everyone of us what (according to the stories) he revealed to the prophet & apostles. if their human reasoning & intellect were able to digest the information, so could we. right?

Two thoughts:

1. Having created us, God recognizes that we are “social” beings. That He calls us together as a flock is similar to His calling together the Jewish people as His people. Groups work. They meet many needs for us as individuals.
2. Also, the Prophets and the Apostles were specifically chosen by God - maybe because of their faithfulness in their religious devotion and practice. I have to believe there was something of “worth” in each of them before he was called to a fuller truth.

 

[Keikiolu]

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Originally Posted by AgnosTheist forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
God could just reveal to each and everyone of us what (according to the stories) he revealed to the prophet & apostles. if their human reasoning & intellect were able to digest the information, so could we. right?

Two thoughts:

1. Having created us, God recognizes that we are “social” beings. That He calls us together as a flock is similar to His calling together the Jewish people as His people. Groups work. They meet many needs for us as individuals.
2. Also, the Prophets and the Apostles were specifically chosen by God - maybe because of their faithfulness in their religious devotion and practice. I have to believe there was something of “worth” in each of them before he was called to a fuller truth.

Ah,… Aggy loves to play the utterly unpoetic unreasonably reasonable Poet.

Hatred of community. Agrandizement of self. Diminution of the Greatest. Exaltation of the bland.

Such poetry that does not eminate from such poets of the gray flatland. If it could be heard in it’s nonexistence, it would be remarkable in it’s somnambulism.

Ah,… to hear such work…! Thank God Almighty we are spared…!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[catharina]

Ah,… Aggy loves to play the utterly unpoetic unreasonably reasonable Poet.

Hatred of community. Agrandizement of self. Diminution of the Greatest. Exaltation of the bland.

Such poetry that does not eminate from such poets of the gray flatland. If it could be heard in it’s nonexistence, it would be remarkable in it’s somnambulism.

Ah,… to hear such work…! Thank God Almighty we are spared…!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

Quite reasonable here.
Quite poetic here.

Totally unaware of the meaning of your post.
Tra la.

 

[Keikiolu]

Quite reasonable here.
Quite poetic here.

Totally unaware of the meaning of your post.
Tra la.

Heh heh heh heh heh heh…!!!

Oh,… just the reaction I was after…

The Rorschach reaction.

Perfect…!