God knows what will happen in the future, correct?

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Much of the misunderstanding in this thread is from trying to think of God as if he was not God. As if God was in time or a created creature …

…or in some other way then how God has been revealed in Divine Revelation and reasoned about in Christian Theology and Philosophy.
 
Bahman said:
It is called reproduction which is the process at which consciousness is attached to its sit, body.
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So if you can’t admit there was a time when you did not exist, then you claim that you’ve always existed, despite self-evidence to the contrary.

You claim *yourself *as beyond time and existence. It’s just that you weren’t always self-conscious of your existence? That’s claiming a lot for yourself.

And at the same time you cannot allow for a god who is beyond time. :hmmm:

I respect your freedom to believe what you will, but fundamentalist atheism is a very dangerous thing for humanity, for the above reason.
 
Bookcat said:
You spoke of being attached to reality. Not to a body.
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You have access to reality once your consciousness is attached to your body.
Bookcat said:
So what I noted stands.
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No it doesn’t.
Bookcat said:
Secondly I would note that such is not something that we hold to be true but rather something we would say is contrary to reality.
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What?
Bookcat said:
and thirdly this is though off topic really as much of this later thread is.
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Hum.
 
Bookcat said:
Much of the misunderstanding in this thread is from trying to think of God as if he was not God. As if God was in time or a created creature …
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There was not such a misunderstanding but misconception of God which is your fault.
Bookcat said:
…or in some other way then how God has been revealed in Divine Revelation and reasoned about in Christian Theology and Philosophy.
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What was revealed in revelation? There is a God. People knew it.
 
clem456 said:
So if you can’t admit there was a time when you did not exist, then you claim that you’ve always existed, despite self-evidence to the contrary.
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Lack of experience is not non-existence.
clem456 said:
You claim *yourself *as beyond time and existence. It’s just that you weren’t always self-conscious of your existence? That’s claiming a lot for yourself.
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I claimed that I have existed but are having chance to experience now. Why, because I have been given a body through a process so called reproduction.
clem456 said:
And at the same time you cannot allow for a god who is beyond time. :hmmm:
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I didn’t said that I was timeless. I am, simple. Now I can experience and in the pas I couldn’t.
clem456 said:
I respect your freedom to believe what you will, but fundamentalist atheism is a very dangerous thing for humanity, for the above reason.
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I am not a atheist.
 
Bahman said:
There was not such a misunderstanding but misconception of God which is your fault.

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a…no.

We are discussing God as God has been Divinely revealed

…and reasoned about by Christians…
 
Bahman said:
Lack of experience is not non-existence.

I claimed that I have existed but are having chance to experience now. Why, because I have been given a body through a process so called reproduction.

I didn’t said that I was timeless. I am, simple. Now I can experience and in the pas I couldn’t.

I am not a atheist.
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In response to the simple question of whether there was a time when you did not exist, you responded, in effect, “no”, but that you merely did not experience existence.
You are denying that fact that you were created ex-nihilo, an act that happened without the cooperation of your consciousness and will.

You are asserting that you are timeless, no matter how you slice it.
I just find that an interesting position when you are vigorously disputing that God can be outside time.
How can you be outside time, yet assert that no one or nothing else can be?
 
clem456 said:
In response to the simple question of whether there was a time when you did not exist, you responded, in effect, “no”, but that you merely did not experience existence.
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Yes that is very correct.
clem456 said:
You are denying that fact that you were created ex-nihilo, an act that happened without the cooperation of your consciousness and will.
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I just have been existing.
clem456 said:
You are asserting that you are timeless, no matter how you slice it.
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No, I didn’t say that I am timeless. I just didn’t experience and now I am experiencing.
clem456 said:
I just find that an interesting position when you are vigorously disputing that God can be outside time.
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God can be in state of timeless but it cannot create.
clem456 said:
How can you be outside time, yet assert that no one or nothing else can be?
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I didn’t say so.
 
Revelation has to at least explain the concept of creation as a matter of proof of concept, I am, otherwise everybody can claim that s/he is God or received revelation.
 
Bahman said:
What he revealed? “I am”. Thanks.
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Yes God revealed that “I AM” …

206 In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH (“I AM HE WHO IS”, “I AM WHO AM” or “I AM WHO I AM”), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the “hidden God”, his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p1.htm#206

But such was not the end of Divine Revelation…
 
Bahman said:
Revelation has to at least explain the concept of creation as a matter of proof of concept, I am, otherwise everybody can claim that s/he is God or received revelation.
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We have explained creation – more than once.
Bahman said:
What he revealed? “I am”. Thanks.
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Yes God revealed that “I AM” …

206 In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH (“I AM HE WHO IS”, “I AM WHO AM” or “I AM WHO I AM”), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the “hidden God”, his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p1.htm#206

But such was not the end of Divine Revelation…
 
Bookcat said:
We have explained creation – more than once.
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Where is the explanation? Can you please refer me to it?
Bookcat said:
Yes God revealed that “I AM” …

206 In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH (“I AM HE WHO IS”, “I AM WHO AM” or “I AM WHO I AM”), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the “hidden God”, his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p1.htm#206

But such was not the end of Divine Revelation…
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Why name should be so important?
 
Bahman said:
Thanks, I read them before and these doesn’t provide the proof of concept, I am God.
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Well I am not sure what you are looking for…but I will leave you to read those texts again.

(Sometimes it may take repeated readings and prayer etc to find what we are looking for )
 
Bahman said:
The bold parts contradict each others since creation has to be part of what God sees from eternity since God is timeless, hence such a God cannot commit the act of creation.
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What part of you cannot comprehend God, do you not understand ? You must realize what you are looking for is the mind of God, that would make you equal to Him and that is the mystery. No offense Bahman it seems you want to believe only your understanding of the universe and the world.

Infinite= lacking limits or boundaries. This is just a small description of our God from my small mind.

GOD Exists? There is no GOD!

All of the wonders around us are accidental.
No almighty hand made a thousand-billion stars. They made themselves.
No power keeps them on their steady course.
The earth spins itself to keep the oceans from falling off toward the sun.
Infants teach themselves to cry when they are hungry or hurt.
A small flower invented itself so that we could extract digitalis for sick hearts.
The earth gave itself day and night, and tilted itself so that we get seasons.
Without the magnetic poles man would be unable to navigate the trackless oceans of water and air, but they just grew there.
How about the sugar thermostat in the pancreas? It maintains a level of sugar in the blood sufficient for energy. Without it, all of us would fall into a coma and die.
Why does snow sit on mountain-tops waiting for the warm spring sun to melt it at just the right time for young crops in farms below to drink? A very lovely accident.
The human heart will beat for 70 or 80 years without faltering. How does it get sufficient rest between beats?
A kidney will filter poison from the blood, & leave good things alone. How does it know one from the other?
Who gave the human tongue flexibility to form words, and a brain to understand them, but denied it to all other animals?
Who showed a womb how to take the love of two persons and keep splitting a tiny ovum until, in time, a baby would have the proper number of fingers eyes and ears and hair in the right places, and come into the world when it is strong enough to sustain life?

God Bless:)
 
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